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I've been trying to find the name of my Great Grandfathers mother, I know JOHN BELL was born Dec 25, 1858 in Lancashire. His fathers name was John.
Thank you!!!
Deb
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Hi
Lancashire is a big place and there are a lot of John Bell's so whereabouts in Lancashire was he born
Have you checked freebmd for a birth for him or the IGI for any baptism?
Did he have any siblings?
Who and when did he marry?
What census do you have him on?
What was his fathers occupation on his marriage cert
What were the names of the witnesses on the marriage cert - anybody called Bell?
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You appear to know his parents details from this post
http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/surnames.bell/9956/mb.ashx
But then a further post with a different birthplace
http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/50627.1.2.1.1.1/mb.ashx
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Hi I have looked for him on index's but came up with nothing. I have his marriage record, he was married to Mary Hughes 5/17/1880 in Prestwich. I have him in a few census from Massachusetts, I've seen several John Bells in England but since I don't know his mothers name it's hard to tell. There are two witnesses to their marriage, a Robert Bell and a Elizabeth Morris.He lived at 22 Thompson St, Cheetham, his dads name was John as well and he was a property owner. It looks like Johns profession was a printer.
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I'm not really sure if Catherine is his mothers name. I was hoping that was him and his family but until I have something like his birth record I really don't know. I have his death record and just his fathers name is mentioned, mothers was blank, thanks for your help!
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On freebmd there are only 2 John Bell's registered around the right time in Lancashire
Dec 1858
Bell John Ulverstone 8e 535
Bell John Richardson Preston 8e 440
None registered first quarter 1859
One in Chorlton 2d quarter 1859 but that would be too late.
I think the two from Dec 1858 are accounted for in later census.
Perhaps he didn't know where or when he was born when he did his naturalization papers. Or he wasn't registered as John? Possibly that was a nick name or middle name?
Milly
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At this point anything is possible LOL I've seen a few papers that say he was born in Ireland. I've had good luck with the Hughes side but continue to strike ou with the Bells, thanks for answering!
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you could try
http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html
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Just posting an old thread for info
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,514397.0.html
Milly
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On freebmd there are only 2 John Bell's registered around the right time in Lancashire
Dec 1858
Bell John Ulverstone 8e 535
Bell John Richardson Preston 8e 440
None registered first quarter 1859
One in Chorlton 2d quarter 1859 but that would be too late.
I think the two from Dec 1858 are accounted for in later census.
Perhaps he didn't know where or when he was born when he did his naturalization papers. Or he wasn't registered as John? Possibly that was a nick name or middle name?
Milly
Look like this is the John Richard son Birth Dec 1858 Preston as UK BMD website say is mother maiden name was Richardson
Marriages Dec 1846
Bell John Liverpool 20 208
Richardson Mary Liverpool 20 208
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Both those John Richardsons appear to be in later Census in the UK when the John we need is living with his family in USA so unlikely to be relevant.
Milly
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Just a thought (and it could be a red herring) - but what about Robert Bell - mentioned in one of the other threads as witness to John and Mary's marriage 1880.
John was a printer age 21 when he married in 1880.
The family in 1881 Census living at 22 Thompson Street give occ as Compositor Printing (but they are from Wrexham and unrelated. I imagine perhaps John worked with them/lodged with them)
There is a Robert Bell - occupation Compositor Printer in 1881 census
RG11/3934/136/46
Lodger, 7 Linwood Street, Hulme, Lancashire
Edward Francis age 39
Martha Francis age 38
Robert Bell age 23 - born Carlisle
Thomas Smith age 21
I wonder if this is John's brother? And if so - perhaps John was born in Carlisle?
Milly
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Thank you...I will do some searching tomorrow :)
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Maybe down as John Ball in census or BMD index
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There's a marriage for Robert Bell to Elizabeth Morris
Jun 1880 Prestwich 8d 537
Could be them? Finding them on 1881 census might be helpful. Then we could try tracing Robert back to childhood.
(Note: They are not the Robert and Elizabeth in Blackburn as I have found them on familysearch and she has a different maiden name)
The printer Robert mentioned earlier in 1881 born Carlisle is unmarried in 1881 which isn't helpful ::)
I wonder if they emigrated to USA too?
Milly
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I have no clue. I did reconnect with a cousin who lives here in Massachusetts. She is descended from Johns oldest son, Thomas.
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I did find the birth of his daughter Mary Lillian Vol 8d pg 226.
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I would like to thank you all for your help! I somehow managed to hit a gold mine last night. Still not sure about Johns birth info BUT I stumbled across his fathers death in England in 1890. Turns out he was born in Ireland and it looks like he was married to a Catherine. I've managed to find Johns brothers (Robert included who did immigrate to US with Elizabeth, again thank you all for your help!!!