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Am searching for any birth/baptism record of Thomas Raine, born approx 1850 in Richmond, Yorkshire. I have his father's name from his marriage certificate as John Raine, coal miner, and from one of the census records his mother's name as Sarah.
He's proving fairly elusive.
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Perhaps he wasnt christened.
Or perhaps he was, but not till he was older.
Or perhaps he was, but not in Richmond - sometimes eldest children were taken back to mother's home parish.
Which is the census you have him on? Ref? I havent spotted him as yet.
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Yes, you may be right. Have already purchased a birth certificate which wasn't him. His other siblings were born in either Newcastle or Durham. Haven't been able to find a marriage for his parents either, so was thinking they may not have been married prior to his birth.
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Where have you found him? I am struggling to get him in a census!
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He is living in Durham in the records I have him in -
In 1881 - at 5 Cowsley Row, Cornsay, Durham, with wife Jane Raine and children. Class RG11 piece 4946 folio 11 page 18
In 1891 census, living at Front Street, Lanchester, Durham - Class RG12, piece 4095, folio 11 page 15,
He is with his wife Jane and family. His mother who has re married - Sarah Wardle, and two half brothers are listed with him.
I think this is him in the 1861 census, where he's listed as T. Wardle (not Raine) - Washington, Durham, Class RG9, piece 3763, folio 14 page 21
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1871
RG10 4967 93 45
John Street, New Durham
Sarah Wardle 40 bn Keswick Cumberland
Ann 13 bn Ratcliffe Cumberland
Joseph 7 bn Felling Gateshead
Henry 6 bn Felling Gateshead
Anthony 3 bn New Durham
Sarah listed as wife, but no husband there.
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Hi
What was his wife called ??? on his marriage cert ? then look for both of them together with places of birth on census after marriage
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I could be mistaken, but there appears to have been some confusion on this one :
1871 census:
RG10/4927, Folio 49, Page 7
Durham, St Andrews Auckland
South Church
Thomas Raine, h. mar 21, Coal Miner, b. Northumberland, Morpeth
Jane, wife, 19, b. Yorkshire, Richmond
On the other returns it was Jane who was born in Northumberland.
Also, the 1881 census claims their son Edward was born in South Church.
Pels.
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I think on the 1871 census, there has been a mix up with their places of birth. I have his wife Jane White from Northumberland.
I have Thomas Raine in 1901 - RG13 piece 4671 folio 95 page 53
His wife Jane isn't present, his place of birth as Richmond, Yorkshire
In 1911- at Hill Top, Ushaw, Lanchester, RG14 piece 29906
Thomas' place of birth Richmond, Yorkshire. His wife not present.
I have his mother down as Sarah Wardle. In the 1891 census where she is with him, she is Sarah Wardle, widowed, with two sons, who are Thomas' half siblings. And Lizdb has found her in the 1871 census.
His marriage certificate gives his father as John Raine. It's confusing me as I can't figure it out, whether his parents weren't married and his is registered under the mother's maiden name or it's something else.
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Have you seen this one as a possible for Sarah Raine in 1851 :
HO107/2387, Folio 684, Page 9
I'd have thought that outside of the North Riding - the nearest registration district in this area to Richmond, would have been Teesdale.
http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/teesdale.html
Pels.
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Have you seen this one as a possible for Sarah Raine in 1851 :
HO107/2387, Folio 684, Page 9
I'd have thought that outside of the North Riding - the nearest registration district in this area to Richmond, would have been Teesdale.
http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/teesdale.html
In 1851 the above mentioned Sarah Raine was living with a family called Watson.
Marriage, Mar qtr 1851
Sarah Watson
John Raine
Teesdale, Vol 24, page 334
Again, all based on assumptions.
Pels.
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In 1841, the Watson family I mentioned from above were nearly all born out of county.
Just weighing up the odds because there is a Sarah listed as what you would imagine to be the right age, living with the family.
Pels.
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Thanks for that Pels, hadn't seen those ones before, and it's something to go on. It's annoying me as I've been trying for a while to put it all together.
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Wrong family !! :( :(
In 1861 John Raine and Sarah are living together in Mickleton. What a shame, it was all slotting together.
Pels.
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Sarah Raine Jan-Feb-Mar 1863 Teesdale Durham
No male in the list on Ancesrty or free bmd. maybe Spouce Wardle
To by pass Thomas bapt based on logic but far from proven to work on as strong possible
Based on several census birth places Richmond b 1850
Marriage certificate stating John was Thomas Raine's father
JOHN RAINE
Birth:
Christening: 02 JAN 1825 Saint Agatha, Gilling By Richmond, Yorkshire, England
Father: WILLIAM RAINE Family
Mother: JANE
DEED RELATING TO GILLING LANE, RICHMOND
Date 1862
Level Collection
DocumentRef Z.355
Description Conveyance by J.J. Robinson to W.S. Raine and J.B. Langhorne
(his trustees) of field in Gilling Lane, Richmond 4 June 1862.
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Thanks for the information, is all welcome. I've been trying to go back through the 1841 census records to see if I can find any John Raines which may possibly be a match.
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Hi Max
Thomas Raine seems adamant in the census he was born in Richmond YK's
Its seems IGI index Richmond PR's index only go up to 1847 (See below)
North Allerton Records office has Richmond PR's Transcriptions with index to 1855 (see below) ( being index won't taken them long to search it)
Richmond Library (YK's)have a Family History section and may have a copy of the transcription,so may do a free look up if you contact them (Careful you don't surf Kew Richmond London)
From Hugh Wallis (Put surname only in the search box) website Richmond bapts to 1847 there seems to be no John Raine sibling bapts so either John married after 1847 or moved there.
Richmond Near Leyburn
C059191 1780-1847
C059192 1636-1779
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers/CountyYorkshire_(Q-S).htm#PageTitle
B 1813-1855; Typed transcript, with index; North Yorkshire County Record Office
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/Misc/CBW/NRY/Richmond.html
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That's great, thanks for taking the time to put all that info on, will have to go through the links and have a look. Fingers crossed.
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If you get nowhere? Its will be a while too March or better weather of spring! I'll check the BT's in Leeds or York Bothwick at the York Uni on a trip there as I have other lookups to do for someone.
Dobby
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That's much appreciated. I shall continue to see if I can find anything in the meantime.
Ann
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If nothing comes of the Richmond parish search which looks likely as no John Raine siblings (Other children bapts ) pre 1847
Not unusual to round off the age on census to the nearest ten years by informant to the census recorder
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/NRY/Laithkirk/Laithkirk90.html
LaithKirk Chapelry is in Wapentake of Gilling West (Gilling is Richmond down Gilling Lane)
Rural Deanery of Richmond North - Archdeaconry of Richmond - Diocese of Ripon.
Pay to view Gens reunited
http://www.GenesReunited.co.uk/search.page/results/parishbaptism/raine/thomas?yearofbirth=1850&yearofbirthrange=2
6 matches for Thomas Raine in the Baptism records
Raine Thomas 1848 Laithkirk Yorkshire View
Raine Thomas 1852 Laithkirk Yorkshire View
JOHN RAINE
Birth:
Christening: 02 JAN 1825 Saint Agatha, Gilling By Richmond, Yorkshire, England
Father: WILLIAM RAINE Family
Mother: JANE
2 nd marriage Sarah Raine Jan-Feb-Mar 1863 Teesdale Durham
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Hi
Sorry to say! :-\
I have checked Richmond church Bishops Transcript register Jan 1847 to Dec 1853 baptisms in the original register book at Leeds sheepscar WYAS and there is No Thomas Raine baptism with a fathers name of John or with any other fathers name.
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Oh no, I was holding out for some luck, I had checked a couple of the baptisms off Genes Reunited but to no avail. So it's back to the drawing board with him. Thank you very much for taking the time and searching the registers for me, it's been great of you to help.
Ann
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Hi
There are a few could be explanations.
1) Thomas Raine was not baptised or registered with GRO register
2) The parents baptised all the sibling at once years later
3) Thomas was illegitimate and was baptised in his mother surname also register with the GRO in his mothers name
Thomas called himself Raine after his fathers surname
So it could be entered like
Example only
'Thomas son of Wilma Flintstone Illegitimate (John Raine) of Bedrock town'
This one would explain why you can't find marriage also no other siblings of John Raine
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Oh no, I was holding out for some luck, I had checked a couple of the baptisms off Genes Reunited but to no avail. So it's back to the drawing board with him. Thank you very much for taking the time and searching the registers for me, it's been great of you to help.
Ann
Least you now know!
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Yes, I was beginning to think his parents may not have married, but it could be any one of the other explanations too couldn't it. I was hoping his birth was just hiding from me, but it's never that easy is it. Ah well, I shall change tack for now and see if I can find out anymore about his mother and concentrate on finding her maiden name if possible.
Thanks again :)