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I'm looking for any info on my great-great grandfather, George Strong
He was born in 1836 in Greystoke Cumberland
He was married to Fann Strong. Sorry, I don't know her maiden name. She was born in Wigton, Cumberland 1849/1850. Thanks. Jim Strong Milton, Ontario, Canada
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Hi Jim & welcome to RootsChat
Do you know anything else about him -
have you found him on a census
did he emigrate to Canada and if so when?
It all helps to give us a framework and narrow down searches :)
Linda
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Answering my own question -
they appear to be on the 1871 - 1911* censuses as a couple
and George is on the 1861 & 1841 with his parents and 1851 at school
There is a possible marriage
George Strong & Fanny Keswick
Jul-Aug-Sep 1870 Registration district: Penrith
Vol 10b Page 557
Let us know if you have (or want) any of the census details
* we are not allowed to post details of the 1911 census on RootsChat, only information that can be found in the free indexes
Linda
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Linda, Thank you and yes, I would like the cencus details
I'm really curious about his father and mother, any sisters or brothers as well as Fanny's family if that's possible. FYI, My grandfather, William Strong emigrated to Canada with my Great grandmother, Rebecca after my Great grandfather died in 1915 Again, thank you so very much
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Hi Jim
Can I sugest that you put your location into your profile. It helps us to give sensible advice if we know where you live :)
I found George & Fanny first as a couple in
1871 - RG10/5205/75/6
Vicargate, Castle Sowerby, Cumberland (next door to the Vicarage)
George Strong Head Mar 35 Ag Lab b Cumberland, Graystoke
Fanney Strong Wife Mar 22 Cumberland, Wigton
William Strong Son 4 Cumberland, Caldbeck
Mary J Strong Dau 4 Months Cumberland, Graystoke
Barbara Priestman Lodger Unm 55 Cumberland, Graystoke
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1881 - RG11/5141/63/4
Redferns Yd, Roncliffe Lane, Penrith, Cumberland
George Strong Head Mar 45 General Labourer Cumberland, Greystoke
Fanny Strong Wife Mar 32 Cumberland, Wigton
William Strong Son Unm 14 Scholar Cumberland, Caldbeck
Mary Jane Strong Dau Unm 10 Scholar Cumberland, Greystoke
John Strong Son Unm 8 Scholar Cumberland, Castle Sowerby
George Strong Son Unm 6 Scholar Cumberland, Greystoke
Annie Strong Dau Unm 4 Cumberland, Greystoke
1891 - RG12/3696/ 70/11
13 Morrel St, North Leeds, Yorkshire
George Strong Head M 55 Labourer (general) Employed Graystoke, Cumberland
Fanny Strong Wife M 42 Wigton, Cumberland
William Strong Son S 24 Clothier's Stock Cutter Employed Caldbeck, Cumberland
Mary J Strong Daur S 20 Machinist Employed Graystoke, Cumberland
John Strong Son S 18 Warehouseman Employed Graystoke, Cumberland
George Strong Son S 16 Grocer's errand boy Employed Graystoke, Cumberland
Annie Strong Daur S 14 Mantle Maker (Dress) Employed Graystoke, Cumberland
Theodore Clucas Nephew S 14 Errand boy Employed Leeds, Yorkshire
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1901 - RG13/4230/26/10
2 Reuben St, Leeds, Yorkshire (2 rooms)
George Strong Head M 65 Sweet & tobacco business Own account At home Cumberland, Graystoke
Fanny Strong Wife M 52 Cumberland, Wigton
George Strong Son S 26 Policeman Worker Cumberland, Graystoke
1911 - free indexes only
Yorkshire Registration district Bramley
STRONG, George 1875 36 M
STRONG, Rebecca 1880 31 F
STRONG, William 1904 7 M
STRONG, George 1836 75 M
STRONG, Fanny 1849 62 F
If you want the full details you will need to buy credits at
www.findmypast.co.uk
The 1911 information is also available on Ancestry
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Working back
1861 - RG 9/3902/34/6
Deer Rudding, Hutton Roof, Cumberland
William Strong Head Mar 60 Farmer of 51 acres
Mary Strong Wife Mar 58
Thomas Priestman Step Son Un 38 An Invalid
Mary Strong Daur Un 30 Farmer's Daur
William Strong Son Un 28 Farmer's Son
George Strong Son Un 25 Farmer's Son
Ann Strong Daur Un 18 Dressmaker
Elizabeth Strong Daur Un 16 Farmer's Daur
Jane Strong Grand Daur 5
all born Cumberland, Greystoke
1851 - HO107/2432/326/6
Brookfield School, Woodside, Wigton, Cumberland
2 Assistant teachers, 2 apprentice teachers, Housekeeper, 3 Servants, 27 boys, 23 girls
George Strong 15 Scholar Cumberland, Castlesowerby
Hannah Strong 13 Scholar Cumberland, Castlesowerby
I'm assuming this is George's sister from the 1841 census!
1851 - HO107/2426/136/6
Deer Ridding, Hutton Roof, Cumberland
Joseph Priestman Head Widr 85 Farmer of 50 acres
William Strong Son in law Mar 50 Farm labourer
Mary Strong son Wife Mar 48 House Servant
Joseph Strong Nephew U 25 Farm Servant
Sarah Strong Niece U 22 House Servant
Mary Strong Niece U 20 House Servant
William Strong Nephew U 18 Farm labourer
Jonathan Strong Nephew U 11 Scholar
Ann Strong Niece 9
Elizabeth Strong Niece 6
Thomas Priestman Nephew U 28 Lodger previous Farm Servant
all born Cumberland, Greystoke
1841 - HO107/172/6/ 6
Deer Ridding, Hutton Roof, Greystoke, Cumberland
Joseph Priestman 75 Ind Y
Thomas Priestman 15 Ag lab Y
Joseph Priestman 15 Ag lab Y
William Strong 40 Ag lab Y
Mary Strong 35 Y
Sarah Strong 13 Y
Mary Strong 11 Y
William Strong 9 Y
John Strong 7 Y
George Strong 5 Y
Hannah Strong 3 Y
Jonathan Strong 1 Y
Y or N = Whether born in the same county
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Hi Jim
Not sure how much you know about English & Welsh records :)
Census reference - usually shown as RG10/5205/75/6 =
year code / piece no / folio / page
Enables anyone else to look the record up quickly!
Relationships are (or should be) to the Head of the Household
1841 census has much less information than the others. In particular, relationships are not shown and ages over 15 should be rounded down to the nearest 5 years
BTW spellings are as shown on the original images (the Enumerator's pages)
I've got to go and do something more sensible (but less interesting), but I'll come back to this :) :)
Linda
Added - there are a couple of very useful lists about registration districts
www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg
www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/places/index.html
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Linda;Thanks ever so much for all you have done so far.
I am located in Milton, Ontario, Canada
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If you click on your username at the left of your last post, then click
RootsChat Profile Information - under Modify Profile
you can put your location in there. Don't forget to save the change!
That way, the information will be available from any post that you make :)
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Linda;
Are there any cencus's prior to 1801
Just curious if I can find William Strongs's, b 1801 parents
Thanks
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The earliest census that is any use to family historians is the 1841 - and that has limited value as I said earlier.
National registration for Births Marriages & Deaths only started (in England & Wales) in 1837, and it wasn't mandatory until many years after that.
Before 1837, you need to consult Parish registers for BMDs. A few are online and some are available on CD from the relevant local Family History Society, but many are only available to view in local record offices.
If you happen to descend from the 'landed gentry' there are lots more records to consult - but most of us don't!
Linda
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I've just remembered that in earlier censuses, Niece & Nephew were sometimes used for Grand daughter & Grand son. So the 1851 details that I gave you earlier, probably mean that
Joseph Strong Nephew U 25 Farm Servant
Sarah Strong Niece U 22 House Servant
Mary Strong Niece U 20 House Servant
William Strong Nephew U 18 Farm labourer
Jonathan Strong Nephew U 11 Scholar
Ann Strong Niece 9
Elizabeth Strong Niece 6
are actually William & Mary's children (and Joseph Priestman's grandchildren)
Thomas Priestman looks to be Mary's illegitimate son
Linda
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Linda;
Thanks again for all you help and information. I'll keep on digging
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I've found some more on Fanny's family (probably)
1861 - RG 9/3910/7/8
Stapleton, Cumberland
Fanny Keswick Ser 12 Farm servant (indoor) Cumberland, Oulton
1861 - RG 9/3904/3/ 2
Upper & Nether Hesket, Cumberland
John Keswick Servant Married 36 Carter on Farm Cumberland, Wigton
1861 - RG 9/3926/24/12
Grassings, Oulton, Cumberland
Mary Keswick Wife Mar 33 Farm Serv wife of Turf (Dealer) Scotland
Mary Keswick Dau 11 Scholar Cumberland, Wigton
John Keswick Son 7 Scholar Cumberland, Wigton
Ann Keswick Dau 5 Cumberland, Wigton
Joseph Keswick Son 4 Cumberland, Wigton
Sarah Keswick Dau 1 Cumberland, Wigton
1851 - HO107/2432/164/18
Oulton, Cumberland
John Keswick Head Mar 26 Farm Serv Cumberland, Oulton
Mary Keswick Wife Mar 23 Scotland
Fanny Keswick Dau 2 Cumberland, Oulton
Mary Keswick Dau 9 Mo Cumberland, Oulton
next door
Nancy Keswick Head Wid 68 Bobbin winder Cumberland, Bowness
1841 - HO107/166/ 5/4
Oulton, Cumberland
Nancy Keswick 55
Nanny Keswick 20 Cotton Weaver
John Keswick 15
Joseph Keswick 12
William Keswick 6 Mo
all born Cumberland
I do hope you're going to check all this stuff, as I'm only following what I think is the right trail :o ::)
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Jim
I happened across your research through Googling "Joseph PRIESTMAN". George's Father - William - born in Greystoke in 1801 married Mary PRIESTMAN (b 1803). From what I can gather she had two illegitimate sons (I can't find a record of any previous marriage) Joseph and Thomas. William Strong (George's father) was my ggg grandfather. George did marry Fanny Keswick and sometime between 1851 and 1861 George moved from Cumberland to Leeds in Yorkshire. He worked for a while as a General Labourer then bought a shop selling cigarettes and smallgoods (what we'd call a delicatessen today). Among his children was another George who joined the Leeds Police force. There has been a lot of movement of the Strong family together with the Graham's (with whom we intermarried) from England to Canada and I believe some of then were classed among the early settlers around the North Battleford area of Saskatchwen. I have been looking into the family for three or four years so have quite some detail available on SOME branches. You are the first person I have come across (apart from a second cousin, once removed who lives in Honolulu who has been doing any research at all on the Strong family. :) :) :)
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Sorry, forgot to sign my message to you
UncleJohn
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Unclejohn; Thanks for the info. William (b1801) is our ggg grandfather, George (b1836) is my gg grandfather, married Fanny Keswick one of their children, George, the policeman is my g grandfather. He married Rebecca Reynard in Leeds in 1903 and had my grandfather in Dec 1903. Oops i smell a shotgun wedding. George, from what I heard was killed in a riot in 1915, at age 41 and was was buried beside his mother, Fanny, in New Wortley cemetary in Leeds. George (b1836) died in 1920 in Leeds. My g grandmother and grandfather moved to Toronto in 1917 when he was 14. He married my grandmother, Martha Baker in 1930 in Toronto, and had only one child, my father, William in 1931. I am really if there is any info on our gggg grandfather and gggg grandmother, William parents. Thanks Jim
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Jim,
Linda is quite right - it is difficult to get accurate records of BMD in England prior to 1837 when Civil Records began.
However it is far from impossible. Try going to the website www.familysearch.org which is maintained by the Church
of Latter Day Saints in Utah. They have had a host of volunteers and church members taking details from parish
Records and putting them on line. The Priestman family (Mary's antecedents) I have managed to trace back to 1676
farming at Deer Rudding in Cumberland. You don't say in what part of Canada but if you go into the website above and click on
FamilySearchCentres it will give you a map of all the centres in Canada and USA. You can use all the facilities of your
nearest centre with no religious pressure at all. I have used the one here in Melbourne and they go to such trouble
as getting microfiche and microfilms from Utah for just $5 for three months usage. Give it a try and let me know what you
think. I'll get my thoughts in order and be in touch again soon
I'll close for now as I have to prepare for a radio program I do on a local Community Radio Station on Monday afternoon
Best Wishes for a Happy Easter
John
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John, than you for the info on the web site. I will definitely check it out. By the way I live in Milton, Ontario Canada. Thanks again and have a Happy Easter. Jim
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John; Sorry, I forgot it's Monday there already. Thanks
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Jim
There are two LDS Family History Centres in your vicinity.
Brampton 10062 Bramalea Rd Phone 905 799 3214
Hours Tue - Fri 12 Noon - 4:00pm and Wed 7:00pm - 9:00pm also Sat 10:00am - 1:00pm
Mississauga 95 Melbert Rd Etobicoke Phone 416 621 4607
Hours Tue/Wed 1:00pm - 4:00pm Thu 8:30pm - 9:30pm Sat 9:30am - 12:30pm
But as I said it is only necessary to go in if you are wanting to view documents they have sourced on your behalf from Utah. All other research you can do on line
John
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John, thanks. I know the one in Melbert Rd. in Etobicoke. I grew up there in the 60's&70's
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Jim,
Are you interested in other members of the Strong family who emigrated to Canada or are you only wanting
to find out about George and his direct descendants?
John
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John;
I'm really curious ahout William's(b1801) parent and grandparents, but you have tweeked my interest about other Strongs that are related and moved to Canada. Thanks,Jim
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Hi gnorts/unclejohn,
WM Strong Christened 07 June 1801, Mungrisdale, Cumberland
Parents WILLIAM/NANCY
Siblings;
JOHN 10 April 1793
JONATHAN 05 April 1795
THOS 20 June 1797
JOSEPH 06 May 1804
ELIZABETH 17 Nov 1806
HENRY 20 April 1810 (Mother Nancy Greenwood)
MARY 12 July 1813
All on Familysearch, some in Mungrisdale, others Caldrbeck.
Some have Mother as Greenwood some just Nancy
Mungrisdale is a Township in the Parish/Chapelry of Greystoke;
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/CUL/Mungrisdale/index.html
William STRONG Married Ann GREENWOOD, Oct 1792, Caldbeck (2 dates on Family search 07 Oct and 18 Oct?)
Trish :)
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Trish; Thank you for the additional info and the effort that you put in. This will give me more to go on. Jim
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Your welcome :)
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My maiden name was Strong and I am descended from Strong's of Caldbeck. My g.g. Uncle was Thomas George (known as George) who lived with his family at Little Blencowe Farm, Blencowe, near Greystoke (as of the 1911 census) and then at Great Strickland in Westmorland. He was killed in WWl in 1918 when 26 yrs old. He never married or had children, but the Strong family is still in Great Strickland.
His parents were called John and Jane and are buried in the village churchyard. George's (Thomas) name is on the war memorial inside the church.
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Hi Julia Byers
Welcome to Rootschat ;D
gnorts was online here a couple of months ago so should receive an email notification that you have posted and hopefully come back soon.
Dawn
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As Strong is very definitely a Cumberland surname, and many of us with Cumberland links have a Strong or two sitting on our family tree, why not post the questions you want on the Cumberland board, and see what the response is? Both the surname and locations sound vaguely familiar. I'm sure you'll get really helpful responses, especially to specific questions.