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Title: George Strong Records
Post by: gnorts on Sunday 04 March 12 20:22 GMT (UK)
I'm looking for any info on my great-great grandfather, George Strong
He was born in 1836 in Greystoke Cumberland
He was married to Fann Strong. Sorry, I don't know her maiden name. She was born in Wigton, Cumberland 1849/1850. Thanks. Jim Strong Milton, Ontario, Canada
Title: Re: George Strong Records
Post by: danuslave on Sunday 04 March 12 20:37 GMT (UK)
Hi Jim & welcome to RootsChat

Do you know anything else about him -

have you found him on a census
did he emigrate to Canada and if so when?

It all helps to give us a framework and narrow down searches  :)

Linda
Title: Re: George Strong Records
Post by: danuslave on Sunday 04 March 12 21:17 GMT (UK)
Answering my own question -

they appear to be on the 1871 - 1911* censuses as a couple

and George is on the 1861 & 1841 with his parents and 1851 at school

There is a possible marriage

George Strong & Fanny Keswick
Jul-Aug-Sep 1870 Registration district: Penrith
Vol  10b Page 557

Let us know if you have (or want) any of the census details

* we are not allowed to post details of the 1911 census on RootsChat, only information that can be found in the free indexes

Linda
Title: Re: George Strong Records
Post by: gnorts on Sunday 04 March 12 23:25 GMT (UK)
Linda, Thank you and yes, I would like the cencus details
I'm really curious about his father and mother, any sisters or brothers as well as Fanny's family if that's possible. FYI, My grandfather, William Strong emigrated to Canada with my Great grandmother, Rebecca after my Great grandfather died in 1915  Again, thank you so very much
Title: Re: George Strong Records
Post by: danuslave on Monday 05 March 12 09:20 GMT (UK)
Hi Jim

Can I sugest that you put your location into your profile.  It helps us to give sensible advice if we know where you live   :)

I found George & Fanny first as a couple in

1871  -  RG10/5205/75/6

Vicargate, Castle Sowerby, Cumberland  (next door to the Vicarage)

George Strong   Head  Mar  35   Ag Lab   b Cumberland, Graystoke
Fanney Strong   Wife  Mar  22    Cumberland, Wigton
William Strong   Son  4   Cumberland, Caldbeck
Mary J Strong   Dau  4 Months  Cumberland,  Graystoke
Barbara Priestman  Lodger  Unm  55  Cumberland, Graystoke
Title: Re: George Strong Records
Post by: danuslave on Monday 05 March 12 09:46 GMT (UK)
1881  -  RG11/5141/63/4

Redferns Yd, Roncliffe Lane, Penrith, Cumberland

George Strong   Head  Mar  45   General Labourer  Cumberland, Greystoke
Fanny Strong  Wife  Mar  32   Cumberland, Wigton
William Strong  Son  Unm  14  Scholar  Cumberland, Caldbeck
Mary Jane Strong  Dau  Unm  10   Scholar  Cumberland, Greystoke
John Strong   Son  Unm  8   Scholar  Cumberland, Castle Sowerby
George Strong  Son  Unm  6  Scholar  Cumberland, Greystoke
Annie Strong  Dau  Unm  4  Cumberland, Greystoke

1891  -  RG12/3696/ 70/11

13 Morrel St, North Leeds, Yorkshire

George Strong  Head  M  55   Labourer (general)  Employed  Graystoke, Cumberland
Fanny Strong  Wife  M  42   Wigton, Cumberland
William Strong  Son  S  24   Clothier's Stock Cutter  Employed  Caldbeck, Cumberland
Mary J Strong  Daur  S  20   Machinist  Employed  Graystoke, Cumberland
John Strong  Son S  18   Warehouseman  Employed  Graystoke, Cumberland
George Strong  Son  S  16   Grocer's errand boy  Employed  Graystoke, Cumberland
Annie Strong  Daur  S  14  Mantle Maker (Dress)  Employed  Graystoke, Cumberland
Theodore Clucas  Nephew  S  14  Errand boy  Employed  Leeds, Yorkshire
Title: Re: George Strong Records
Post by: danuslave on Monday 05 March 12 10:06 GMT (UK)
1901  -  RG13/4230/26/10

2 Reuben St, Leeds, Yorkshire  (2 rooms)

George Strong   Head  M  65   Sweet & tobacco business  Own account  At home  Cumberland, Graystoke
Fanny Strong   Wife  M  52   Cumberland, Wigton
George Strong  Son  S  26  Policeman  Worker  Cumberland, Graystoke

1911  -  free indexes only

Yorkshire Registration district Bramley

STRONG, George 1875 36  M
STRONG, Rebecca 1880 31  F
STRONG, William 1904 7  M
STRONG, George 1836 75  M
STRONG, Fanny 1849 62  F

If you want the full details you will need to buy credits at
www.findmypast.co.uk

The 1911 information is also available on Ancestry
Title: Re: George Strong Records
Post by: danuslave on Monday 05 March 12 11:03 GMT (UK)
Working back

1861  -  RG 9/3902/34/6

Deer Rudding, Hutton Roof, Cumberland

William Strong  Head  Mar  60  Farmer of 51 acres 
Mary Strong  Wife  Mar  58
Thomas Priestman  Step Son  Un  38  An Invalid
Mary Strong  Daur  Un  30  Farmer's Daur
William Strong  Son  Un  28 Farmer's Son
George Strong  Son  Un  25 Farmer's Son
Ann Strong  Daur  Un  18  Dressmaker
Elizabeth Strong  Daur  Un  16  Farmer's Daur
Jane Strong  Grand Daur  5

all born Cumberland, Greystoke


1851  -  HO107/2432/326/6

Brookfield School, Woodside, Wigton, Cumberland
2 Assistant teachers, 2 apprentice teachers, Housekeeper, 3 Servants, 27 boys, 23 girls

George Strong  15  Scholar  Cumberland, Castlesowerby
Hannah Strong  13  Scholar  Cumberland, Castlesowerby

I'm assuming this is George's sister from the 1841 census!


1851  -  HO107/2426/136/6

Deer Ridding, Hutton Roof, Cumberland

Joseph Priestman  Head  Widr  85  Farmer of 50 acres   
William Strong  Son in law  Mar  50  Farm labourer
Mary Strong  son Wife  Mar  48  House Servant
Joseph Strong  Nephew  U  25  Farm Servant
Sarah Strong  Niece  U  22   House Servant
Mary Strong  Niece  U  20  House Servant
William Strong  Nephew  U  18  Farm labourer
Jonathan Strong  Nephew  U  11   Scholar
Ann Strong  Niece  9
Elizabeth Strong  Niece  6
Thomas Priestman   Nephew  U  28  Lodger previous Farm Servant

all born Cumberland, Greystoke


1841  -  HO107/172/6/ 6

Deer Ridding, Hutton Roof, Greystoke, Cumberland

Joseph Priestman 75  Ind  Y
Thomas Priestman 15  Ag lab  Y
Joseph Priestman 15   Ag lab  Y
William Strong 40  Ag lab  Y
Mary Strong 35    Y
Sarah Strong 13  Y
Mary Strong 11  Y
William Strong 9  Y
John Strong  7  Y
George Strong  5  Y
Hannah Strong  3  Y
Jonathan Strong  1  Y

Y or N = Whether born in the same county
Title: Re: George Strong Records
Post by: danuslave on Monday 05 March 12 11:05 GMT (UK)
Hi Jim

Not sure how much you know about English & Welsh records   :)

Census reference - usually shown as RG10/5205/75/6   =
year code / piece no / folio / page

Enables anyone else to look the record up quickly!

Relationships are (or should be) to the Head of the Household

1841 census has much less information than the others.  In particular, relationships are not shown and ages over 15 should be rounded down to the nearest 5 years

BTW spellings are as shown on the original images (the Enumerator's pages)

I've got to go and do something more sensible (but less interesting), but I'll come back to this  :) :)

Linda

Added - there are a couple of very useful lists about registration districts

www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg
www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/places/index.html
Title: Re: George Strong Records
Post by: gnorts on Monday 05 March 12 21:47 GMT (UK)
Linda;Thanks ever so much for all you have done so far.
I am located in Milton, Ontario, Canada
Title: Re: George Strong Records
Post by: danuslave on Monday 05 March 12 22:23 GMT (UK)
If you click on your username at the left of your last post, then click

RootsChat Profile Information   -  under Modify Profile

you can put your location in there.  Don't forget to save the change!

That way, the information will be available from any post that you make   :)
Title: Re: George Strong Records
Post by: gnorts on Thursday 08 March 12 21:46 GMT (UK)
Linda;
        Are there any cencus's prior to 1801
Just curious if I can find William Strongs's, b 1801 parents

Thanks
Title: Re: George Strong Records
Post by: danuslave on Saturday 10 March 12 01:10 GMT (UK)
The earliest census that is any use to family historians is the 1841 - and that has limited value as I said earlier.

National registration for Births Marriages & Deaths only started (in England & Wales) in 1837, and it wasn't mandatory until many years after that.

Before 1837, you need to consult Parish registers for BMDs.  A few are online and some are available on CD from the relevant local Family History Society, but many are only available to view in local record offices.

If you happen to descend from the 'landed gentry' there are lots more records to consult - but most of us don't!

Linda
Title: Re: George Strong Records
Post by: danuslave on Saturday 10 March 12 02:35 GMT (UK)
I've just remembered that in earlier censuses, Niece & Nephew were sometimes used for Grand daughter & Grand son.  So the 1851 details that I gave you earlier, probably mean that

Joseph Strong  Nephew  U  25  Farm Servant
Sarah Strong  Niece  U  22   House Servant
Mary Strong  Niece  U  20  House Servant
William Strong  Nephew  U  18  Farm labourer
Jonathan Strong  Nephew  U  11   Scholar
Ann Strong  Niece  9
Elizabeth Strong  Niece  6

are actually William & Mary's children (and Joseph Priestman's grandchildren)

Thomas Priestman looks to be Mary's illegitimate son

Linda
Title: Re: George Strong Records
Post by: gnorts on Saturday 10 March 12 13:26 GMT (UK)
Linda;
        Thanks again for all you help and information. I'll keep on digging
Title: Re: George Strong Records
Post by: danuslave on Saturday 10 March 12 14:32 GMT (UK)
I've found some more on Fanny's family (probably)

1861  -  RG 9/3910/7/8
Stapleton, Cumberland
Fanny Keswick  Ser  12  Farm servant (indoor)  Cumberland, Oulton

1861  -  RG 9/3904/3/ 2
Upper & Nether Hesket, Cumberland
John Keswick  Servant  Married  36  Carter on Farm  Cumberland, Wigton

1861  -  RG 9/3926/24/12
Grassings, Oulton, Cumberland
Mary Keswick  Wife  Mar  33  Farm Serv wife of Turf (Dealer)  Scotland
Mary Keswick  Dau  11   Scholar  Cumberland, Wigton
John Keswick  Son  7  Scholar  Cumberland, Wigton
Ann Keswick  Dau  5  Cumberland, Wigton
Joseph Keswick  Son  4  Cumberland, Wigton
Sarah Keswick  Dau  1  Cumberland, Wigton

1851  -  HO107/2432/164/18
Oulton, Cumberland
John Keswick  Head  Mar  26  Farm Serv  Cumberland, Oulton
Mary Keswick  Wife  Mar  23   Scotland
Fanny Keswick  Dau  2   Cumberland, Oulton
Mary Keswick  Dau  9 Mo  Cumberland, Oulton

next door
Nancy Keswick  Head  Wid  68  Bobbin winder  Cumberland, Bowness

1841  -  HO107/166/ 5/4
Oulton, Cumberland
Nancy Keswick 55
Nanny Keswick 20  Cotton Weaver
John Keswick 15
Joseph Keswick 12
William Keswick 6 Mo
all born Cumberland

I do hope you're going to check all this stuff, as I'm only following what I think is the right trail   :o ::)


Title: Re: George Strong Records
Post by: unclejohn on Saturday 07 April 12 11:41 BST (UK)
Jim
I happened across your research through Googling "Joseph PRIESTMAN".    George's Father - William - born in Greystoke in 1801 married Mary PRIESTMAN (b 1803). From what I can gather she had two illegitimate sons (I can't find a record of any previous marriage) Joseph and Thomas. William Strong (George's father) was my ggg grandfather. George did marry Fanny Keswick and sometime between 1851 and 1861 George moved from Cumberland to Leeds in Yorkshire. He worked for a while as a General Labourer then bought a shop selling cigarettes and smallgoods (what we'd call a delicatessen today). Among his children was another George who joined the Leeds Police force. There has been a lot of movement of the Strong family together with the Graham's (with whom we intermarried) from England to Canada and I believe some of then were classed among the early settlers around the North Battleford area of Saskatchwen. I have been looking into the family for three or four years so have quite some detail available on SOME branches. You are the first person I have come across (apart from a second cousin, once removed who lives in Honolulu who has been doing any research at all on the Strong family. :) :) :)
Title: Re: George Strong Records
Post by: unclejohn on Saturday 07 April 12 11:43 BST (UK)
Sorry, forgot to sign my message to you
UncleJohn
 :)
Title: Re: George Strong Records
Post by: gnorts on Saturday 07 April 12 13:39 BST (UK)
Unclejohn; Thanks for the info. William (b1801) is our ggg grandfather, George (b1836) is my gg grandfather, married Fanny Keswick one of their children, George, the policeman is my g grandfather. He married Rebecca Reynard in Leeds in 1903 and had my grandfather in Dec 1903. Oops i smell a shotgun wedding. George, from what I heard was killed in a riot in 1915, at age 41 and was was buried beside his mother, Fanny, in New Wortley cemetary in Leeds. George (b1836) died in 1920 in Leeds. My g grandmother and grandfather moved to Toronto in 1917 when he was 14. He married my grandmother, Martha Baker in 1930 in Toronto, and had only one child, my father, William in 1931. I am really if there is any info on our gggg grandfather and gggg grandmother, William parents. Thanks                                                                                                                     Jim             
Title: Re: George Strong Records
Post by: unclejohn on Sunday 08 April 12 02:47 BST (UK)
Jim,
Linda is quite right - it is difficult to get accurate records of BMD in England prior to 1837 when Civil Records began.
However it is far from impossible. Try going to the website www.familysearch.org which is maintained by the Church
of Latter Day Saints in Utah. They have had a host of volunteers and church members taking details from parish
Records and putting them on line. The Priestman family (Mary's antecedents) I have managed to trace back to 1676
farming at Deer Rudding in Cumberland. You don't say in what part of Canada but if you go into the website above and click on
FamilySearchCentres it will give you a map of all the centres in Canada and USA. You can use all the facilities of your
nearest centre with no religious pressure at all. I have used the one here in Melbourne and they go to such trouble
as getting microfiche and microfilms from Utah for just $5 for three months usage. Give it a try and let me know what you
think. I'll get my thoughts in order and be in touch again soon
I'll close for now as I have to prepare for a radio program I do on a local Community Radio Station on Monday afternoon
Best Wishes for a Happy Easter
John
Title: Re: George Strong Records
Post by: gnorts on Sunday 08 April 12 13:20 BST (UK)
John, than you for the info on the web site. I will definitely check it out. By the way I live in Milton, Ontario Canada. Thanks again and have a Happy Easter.                                                                                                                     Jim   
Title: Re: George Strong Records
Post by: gnorts on Sunday 08 April 12 13:21 BST (UK)
John; Sorry, I forgot it's Monday there already. Thanks
Title: Re: George Strong Records
Post by: unclejohn on Monday 09 April 12 06:55 BST (UK)
Jim
There are two LDS Family History Centres in your vicinity.
Brampton 10062 Bramalea Rd  Phone 905 799 3214
Hours Tue - Fri 12 Noon - 4:00pm and Wed 7:00pm - 9:00pm also   Sat 10:00am - 1:00pm

Mississauga  95 Melbert Rd Etobicoke    Phone 416 621 4607
Hours Tue/Wed 1:00pm - 4:00pm Thu 8:30pm - 9:30pm Sat 9:30am - 12:30pm

But as I said it is only necessary to go in if you are wanting to view documents they have sourced on your behalf from Utah. All other research you can do on line
John
Title: Re: George Strong Records
Post by: gnorts on Tuesday 10 April 12 22:12 BST (UK)
John, thanks. I know the one in Melbert Rd. in Etobicoke. I grew up there in the 60's&70's
Title: Re: George Strong Records
Post by: unclejohn on Wednesday 11 April 12 01:04 BST (UK)
Jim,
Are you interested in other members of the Strong family who emigrated to Canada or are you only wanting
to find out about George and his direct descendants?
John
Title: Re: George Strong Records
Post by: gnorts on Wednesday 11 April 12 23:20 BST (UK)
John;
I'm really curious ahout William's(b1801) parent and grandparents, but you have tweeked my interest about other Strongs that are related and moved to Canada. Thanks,Jim
Title: Re: George Strong Records
Post by: trish1120 on Wednesday 12 September 12 16:58 BST (UK)
Hi gnorts/unclejohn,

WM Strong Christened 07 June 1801, Mungrisdale, Cumberland
Parents WILLIAM/NANCY
Siblings;
JOHN 10 April 1793
JONATHAN 05 April 1795
THOS 20 June 1797
JOSEPH 06 May 1804
ELIZABETH 17 Nov 1806
HENRY 20 April 1810 (Mother Nancy Greenwood)
MARY 12 July 1813

All on Familysearch, some in Mungrisdale, others Caldrbeck.
Some have Mother as Greenwood some just Nancy

Mungrisdale is a Township in the Parish/Chapelry of Greystoke;
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/CUL/Mungrisdale/index.html

William STRONG Married Ann GREENWOOD, Oct 1792, Caldbeck (2 dates on Family search 07 Oct and 18 Oct?)

Trish :)
Title: Re: George Strong Records
Post by: gnorts on Saturday 15 September 12 18:39 BST (UK)
Trish; Thank you for the additional info and the effort that you put in. This will give me more to go on. Jim
Title: Re: George Strong Records
Post by: trish1120 on Sunday 16 September 12 04:17 BST (UK)
Your welcome :)
Title: Re: George Strong Records
Post by: Julia Byers on Tuesday 08 September 15 11:04 BST (UK)
My maiden name was Strong and I am descended from Strong's of Caldbeck. My g.g. Uncle was Thomas George (known as George) who lived with his family at Little Blencowe Farm, Blencowe, near Greystoke (as of the 1911 census) and then at Great Strickland in Westmorland. He was killed in WWl in 1918 when 26 yrs old. He never married or had children, but the Strong family is still in Great Strickland.
His parents were called John and Jane and are buried in the village churchyard. George's (Thomas) name is on the war memorial inside the church.
Title: Re: George Strong Records
Post by: dawnsh on Tuesday 08 September 15 13:52 BST (UK)
Hi Julia Byers

Welcome to Rootschat  ;D

gnorts was online here a couple of months ago so should receive an email notification that you have posted and hopefully come back soon.

Dawn
Title: Re: George Strong Records
Post by: ThrelfallYorky on Tuesday 08 September 15 17:47 BST (UK)
As Strong is very definitely a Cumberland surname, and many of us with Cumberland links have a Strong or two sitting on our family tree, why not post the questions you want on the Cumberland board, and see what the response is? Both the surname and locations sound vaguely familiar. I'm sure you'll get really helpful responses, especially to specific questions.