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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Herefordshire => Topic started by: charwatkin on Saturday 10 March 12 20:20 GMT (UK)
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Trying to find parents of Henry Sykes
b. 1809 in Dorstone
He later moved to Llanbedr, Brecon
Thank you!
Charlotte
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Hi,
A possibility.
Henry Sykes
Baptism/Christening Date 16 May 1813
Baptism/Christening Place: Dorstone, Hereford
Father's Name Henry Sykes
Mother's Name Esther
Sharon
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Hello Sharon,
Is there an online site for Dorstone Baptisms?
I saw an Ester Sykes in Dorstone b. 1811 on teh 1841 census. Also, a Richard bonr about 1809. I wonder if they could possibly be siblings?
Charlotte
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Some more children for Henry & Ester.
Lucy baptised 11/05/1806 Dorstone
Ann baptised 13/07/1817 Dorstone
Richard baptised 23/11/1819 Dorstone
All from familysearch.
Sharon
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There is also a Henry & Esther baptising children in Peterchurch a few years earlier.
Marriage
Henry Sykes married Esther Gwynn on 14/05/1803, Peterchurch.
Sharon
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I saw the Peterchurch ones but not the other. I was able to find Richard (1809) & Ester (1811) and I remember (I thought) seeing a widow Ester living in Dorstone in 1841 w/a daugther about 40.
I scanned through the census records for clues.
Is Peterchurch near Dorstone?
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http://www.genuki.org.uk/cgi-bin/nearby?CCC=HEF,GRIDREF=SO310410,DISTANCE=5,PN=Dorstone
Sharon
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So then it would be likely for parents to have been married in Peterchurch and then later, christen their children at Dorstone?
I am trying to better understand how things would have been 'done' back then in England/Wales. ??? I am just getting into my research there and am more familiar with US records, places, terms, etc.
:)
Thanks for your patience!
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People moved around for work a lot and as you can see both places were very near to eachother. Let me know if you need amy more help.
Sharon
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Hi Charlotte,
I have led you round in a circle with henry I think, used the 1861 to put his birth at 1809-1810, found a henry on family search born then---bu familysearch used the census info to create his birth.
maybe sharon with her greater experience could look at our posts on the hereford resources board and give us her thoughts.
Is henry's age consistent on the censuses?
mike
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Mike,
I have Henry born in Dorstone. The 3 census records I have with him married to Elizabeth have him born 1811, 1811, 1809.
After reviewing this Henry, it looks highly likely that he is the son of Henry & Ester Gwynn
His mother-in-law's name was Mary & wife was Elizabeth... and it would appear, his mother was Ester.
His siblings were Jehu, Lucy, Ann, Richard, Ester, Elizabeth.
There may have been more siblings, yet this is all I have found
It would be consistant, as his children's names gathered from records were: Elizabeth, Henry, Mary, Lucy, Esther & Ann
Oh, and I DID find a 1851 census with two of the sisters together on it... and one was born in Peterchurch, while the other was born in Dorstone.
Your thoughts, All????
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Hi again,
I found this from the England & wales National Probate Calendar
" 28 January The will of Henry Sykes late of Llanbedr in the County of Brecon deceased who died 11/12/1868 at Henbant aforesaid was proved at Hereford by the oath of Evan Powell of Gwrlode in the parish aforesaid farmer the sole executor".
Effects under 800 pounds.
You might consider finding that will.
Sharon
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This seems to be Elizabeth's death.
Deaths Sep 1880
Sykes Elizabeth 63 Crickhowell (11b 83)
Sharon
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It might be a coincidence as the names are so common for these areas but on the census returns for Henry & Elizabeth in Wales the are also Powell & Lewis family members on the same or next pages of the census returns
& for Ester in Hereford there is a Powell family living nearby.
Sharon
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Thank you, Sharon!
I found the information you mentioned on ancestry, so have have a form ready and in the envelope set to mail to Probate Registry for Henry. I will go on Monday to the bank to get an International Money order to go with it.
I had the same for Elizabeth in 1880. I have a question. If Henry had enough money/property for a will... wouldn't his widow? I can't find anything for her.
I sent for his daughter (Elizabeth) & John Watkins marriage cert. in Llantillo Crosseney. Parish records transcript mentions Henry as father of Elizabeth but none for John. Their first few children were born there (Can find #2 on transcript but not #1) before they all (Sykes & Watkins families) moved on to Llanbedr & lived next door for a while. Henry & wife stayed there - daughter, Elizabeth & family moved on to Llangenney.
Have a question #2... is there a town called Llanvino or something similar near to Dorstone & Peterchurch??
My brain is on overload! :o
Charlotte
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Llanveynoe is phoenetically the same, it is a parish about 2 miles northeast of longtown and clodock and 4 miles west of dorstone and peterchurch.
It is a church and 3 houses but there are a few outlying farms in the parish.
Changing the subject I have a book of old Hereford maps, one map is titled
"A survey of the estate in the parish of Clodock 'Neuadd Lwydd' belonging to
John Lewis Esq year 1794 the name lewis rings a bell with me
mike
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Very interesting, Mike. I was wondering about Llanveynoe... b/c Elizabeth Sykes Watkins (Daughter of Elizabeth "Lewis" Sykes)
has her birth place as Llanvino on all census records but the last one
She was married in Llantillo Crosseney & lived for one census... moved to Llanbedr... and then on to Llangenney.
It is only on the last census before she died in 1901, it says she was born in Llanbedr. (maybe her son gave the info??)
So, parents were born/lived in/ Dorston & Clodock area and she has Llanvino (Llanveynoe)... and it is all in the same area. Pieces are fitting a bit better.
Would LOVE to see/read your book. Let me know if you find any interesting "Lewis" facts! Maybe a good coat tail for the family to hold on to! Is always nice to have an interesting fact of history to add to the mix!
Charlotte