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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Offaly (Kings) => Topic started by: Seilsa on Sunday 18 March 12 03:15 GMT (UK)
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Hi Folks,
I'm trying to find out more of my ggrandfather and ggrandmother. My ggf was a Prussian soldier of fortune - as far as I know - and married my ggm in Parsonstown - now Birr - in 1867. I take it he would have been in the barracks there at the time or maybe earlier. There was an age difference as he was 64 when he died in Govan, Lanarkshire, Scotland in 1892 (c1828-1892) and she died same town, Govan in 1909 aged 56 (c1852-1909) ( hmm 25 years between them ) He must have been about 40? and she 15.?? they only had the two children
His name was Frederick Seils and she was Margaret Egan, I then have them in England 1871 census in Stoke Demeral, Devon with two children born 1869 & 1870 - my gf -then Govan in 1881,1891 of where we have all been born in.
Outside of my ggf Frederick all of my ancestry is Irish ( Sligo and Armagh ) and it's not too easy getting our Irish forebears! this site is the best I've seen so far.
Hoping I might find out more of my ggm's folks the Egan's
I've lived in Australia for over the past forty years now
Regards Andrew
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you know that Frederick was in the british army? he was in the 2nd foot regiment.
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No I didn't know, but certainly on his death certificate my grandfather had put Army Pensioner though I hadn't found out any of his service so far.
Thanks very much as it is still a good piece of information
I may add that Margaret Seils nee Egan died on the 17 Jan 1908 and her father's name was Patrick Egan (Farmer) and her mother was Ann Loughnare - maybe Loughlin?.
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2 of his children have births referenced under the army births index,,,so you could order their birth certificates from the GRO if required. ;)
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just as a footnote,,one of those children....Augustine...joined the 4th Queens own Hussars in 1887,,,but he was tried,convicted and imprisoned for making a false statement on enlistment. ;)
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Hi that would have been my grandfather, and I'd think it would have to have been in the UK, as they were all in Govan then unless he went over to Ireland.
Augustine got married in 1893 to my gm from Sligo
When listening to my father, it would seem that even he - my dad - had walked over lots of Ireland, but that's another story!! I will try for those Birth Certs
Thanks again
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Do you have a marriage cert for your ggrandparents ?
This should show father's names and occupations, current residences for the bride and groom etc...
Here are the likely BMD index references for the marriage :
name: Frederick Seils
Registration district: Parsonstown
Event type: Marriage
Year: 1867
Volume : 3 / Page: 697
There's a Margaret Egan with same details - i.e. on the same register page. You can use the references above to order a research marriage cert from the GRO.
I should mention that the surname Egan is very common around the midlands..
see : Ordering Certs from GRO Roscommon (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433040.0.html)
Details included on a Marriage Cert (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433042.0.html)
Shane
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there's also an extracted record of the marriage on FamilySearch, which gives a little more detail but leaves out a few useful details- such as occupations, residences of the bride & groom, names of witness, name of the church or registry office etc.
Groom: Frederick Seils / single
Bride: Margaret Egan / single
Marriage Date: 05 Mar 1867
Marriage Location : Birr/Parsonstown, King's County / Co. Offaly
Groom's father: James Seils
Bride's father: Patrick Egan
Reference Number: P697 #32
see : link (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FG8M-2D4)
Margaret would have been born well before the start of civil registration of births in 1864, so you would need to check for church records for a possible baptism. see:
Introduction to Irish Records (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,442233.0.html)
Shane
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Hi again
I'm been trying for their marriage certificate - Frederick and Margaret -, but it only goes back to 1920.
I'll be wrong somewhere I guess and will go through your help lines again, which are really an excellent help to me
((( Remember, I'm new to the board and will probably take a wee while to get used to it in using your help)))
I already have some of the info from Ancestry.com and maybe I'm at the wrong GRO??
Regards
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I'm been trying for their marriage certificate - Frederick and Margaret -, but it only goes back to 1920.
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You can order historic research certs from GRO Roscommon by post, the HSE/Certificates.ie (Health Service Executive) website only covers more recent marriage records.
These are the references you need from the BMD Index - note the page number matches the page reference on the extracted record posted above...
Name: Frederick Seils
Registration district: Parsonstown
Event type: Marriage
Year: 1867
Volume : 3 / Page : 697
See : Ordering Certs from GRO Roscommon (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433040.0.html)
Details included on a Marriage Cert (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433042.0.html)
Shane
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Hi again folks and thanks for your help, I will refer back to these pages for the excellent info you both have given me.
Yes I now have both marriage certificates now, one in Birr, Kings 1867, and the other in Belfast in 1851
I will try for birth certs. now and see what info they give me regards my grand parent and sister, as they are not, so far, in the English Birth Census.
Certainly the marriage in Parsonstown or Birr was by License as she was very young to him so it would maybe have raised a few eyebrows at the time, but this was well into the past and I would wonder if there were any remaining relatives, if only for adding links to the family tree, Margaret's father was a Patrick Egan (Farmer) and her mother was Ann Loughnan (or Loughnare.)
Anyway I will leave it there for the moment, my grandmother's from Sligo's mother name was Loughlin, nearly the same?
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Egan headstones in Clonghill cemetery Birr;
John Egan; Cappaneale
22/6/1929 (57)
wife-Elizabeth;
25/2/1930 (54)
Dtr-Lucy;
28/10/1984 (81)
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Mary Bridget (baby) Egan; Townsend st
29/11/1991 (74)
her bro-John;
27/10/2006 (83)
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Thomas (Tom) Egan; Green st
24/9/2000
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Jane Egan;
11/4/1917 (39)
hus-William;
16/10/1953 (87)
son-Christopher;
3/8/1989 (84)
his wife-Marcella;
23/7/2004 (81)
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Kieran Egan;
16/7/1893 (76)
wife-Julia;
24/10/1914 (89)
son-Kieran;
12/7/1926 (72)
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Ellen Egan;
25/1/1962
Kieran Egan;
13/1/1930
William Egan; 23/1/1952
Catherine Egan;
15/3/1914
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John Egan;
6/2/1939 (71)
Kate Egan;
26/4/1940 (81)
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Patrick Egan; Kinnity
4/3/1915 (57)
wife-Mary;
1/8/1829 (80)
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Michael Egan; Cappaneale
28/7/1928-13/9/1993
his-bros; James Anthony (Jim);
4/7/1927-15/8/2002
Patrick Joe;
18/3/1925-1/10/2006
sis-Elizabeth (Lil)
12/4/1924-28/10/2007
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Patrick (Paddy) Egan; Green st
9/2/2002 (77)
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Edward Egan; Leinster Villas
22/9/1954 (82)
Mary A Egan;
30/1/1958 (82)
Bridget Egan;
28/2/1978 (93)
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Mary Jane Egan; Johns place
15/10/1962
hus-Patrick
8/2/1978
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Jack
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Thanks Seanmac,
I will keep your list of headstones as there might be a link at sometime later, who knows?
Thanks again for going to that trouble for me, it's really appreciated
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Well Folks,
I've tried for the birth certs. for Caroline and Augustine, but unfortunately they weren't and no entrees were found?
I have tried the English Census but no luck in regards to certificates, at least I did get copies of the marriage Certs. from Birr and Belfast thanks to your help, folks
My great grandparents were wed by License (Special I suppose) as she was only a child really and he was much older and a soldier in the Barracks there, so I guess that would have been why they were Wed in the Irish & English church as their descents are all RC, though I think Frederick may have been a Lutheran as he was a Prussian Soldier of fortune in the British Army.
So I will look through Church records for births etc.
Tapadh Leibh, agus Slainte Mhath - for your help