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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Donegal => Topic started by: Al C on Wednesday 21 March 12 17:43 GMT (UK)
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Can anyone help with information on this family.
Shown below is what I have pulled together from online sources like Lindel Buckley's Donegal Resources site, the Moville Records site, Familysearch, Ancestry, PRONI, the National Archive of Ireland site, and the National Libray of Ireland site.
Robert Craig listed in the 1828 Tithe Applotments no other information.
his son? Robert Craig abt 1817 - 19 Dec., 1869. One of these two Roberts is shown in Griffiths Valuation for Carrownaffe, Upper Moville as having just over 38 acres or about 17% of the area of the Townland, can anyone suggest where specifically this might have been, the map accompanying the online image of the Griffiths Valuation does not appear to accurately reflect the entries in the image of the Valuation itself?
There is a will on the PRONI site for the younger Robert which mentions: his wife Eliz and children, sons Robert and George, and William; daughters Lizzie, Anne, Mary, Martha, Barbara, and Roseanna and a grandson Joseph McCurry. The will gives the value of his estate as 290 pounds, how sizable was that for the time and place?
There is a Civil Reg listed on Familysearch for the death of an Eliza Craig in the Inishowen Dist Apr - June 1888, est birth 1822;
No further information.
Robert --- birth abt 1844; have 1901 & 1911 Census; 1907 & 1910 Belfast and Ulster Directories. There is a Robert Craig in the Civil Reg's for Inishowen who died Apr - June 1919, est birth year 1843.
George --- 1911 Census says b abt 1848, Donegal, married, Presbyterian but no wife listed. There is a George Craig in the Civil Reg's for Inishowen who died Apr - June 1920, est birth year 1849. The only George Craig I could find in the 1901 census who came close to matching was George Craig b abt 1851, Donegal, Presbyterian, married, living on Marlbourough St., Londonderry with wife Elizabeth (b Northumberland Co. Eng) and 3 children, a Steamship agent. I have information that indicates this George Craig was the manager of the Steel & Bennie offices in Londonderry from about 1895, probably until the company ceased operations in Londonderry in 1906. In the 1911 census, his wife and children were living in Dublin; she is shown as married but also listed as head of the family suggesting they were seperated. Can anyone confirm George Craig Carrownaffe 1911 and George Craig Londonderry 1901 are one and the same person?
Lizzie --- Estimated birth 1851; no information
Anne --- Estimated birth 1853; edit to reflect reply #1: Anne married William Britton in Nov 1892; they sailed immediately for New York arriving Nov 28 1892, and returned to Santa Clara Co., California. One daughter born in 1895. Family returned to Ireland in 1914 for visit. Anne and daughter visited again in 1924 by which time Wm had died.
Mary --- Estimated birth 1855; could be Mary Craig born Feb 8, 1854 to Robert Craig and Eliza Maginnis who married James Cousley Montgomery (son of Robert and Mary) in Upper Moville, June 14, 1888, and moved to Canada.
Martha --- birth abt 1857; have 1901 & 1911 Census, Will Calendar, Ulster Declaration, died Dec. 19, 1937.
Barbara --- estimated birth 1859; no information
William --- estimated birth 1861; the will mentions that he is to attend a National School, I have not found him in any of the online indecies to National School enrollments; no other information.
Roseanna estimated birth 1847; --- Edit to reflect reply #4: married Frederick McCurry of Coleraine on Apr 21, 1868 at the Presbyterian Church, Moville, announcement appeared in the Londonderry papers. No further information.
Grandson, Joseph McCurry, might be the son of Roseanna and Joseph above, but I beleive he was born Sept 13, 1866 the son of another daughter Rebbeca Jane Craig estimated birth 1844 who married Hugh McCurry of Moville on Oct 18, 1865 in Moville. As Hugh McCurry remarried in 1868, I beleive that Rebbaca predeceased her father Robert. Joseph McCurry married Amelia Press of Greencastle, worked in Moville as a steamship clerk (1901 census) and in the 1911 census he was living on Marlborough St., Londonderry, a coal merchant; he died at Greencastle on Sept, 16, 1932. Can anyone provide burial information for Rebbeca and Joseph?
Thanks
Al
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Found a marriage,
BRITTON - CRAIG November 17, 1892 at Clar Presbyterian Church by the Rev Robert Porter. William Britton, San Jose, California to Annie, fourth daughter of the late Robert Craig, Carrownaffe, Upper Moville.
Deaths:
CRAIG - April 22, 1884. Elizabeth, wife of the late Robert Craig of Carrownaffe, Upper Moville, aged 62 years. Her remains will be removed today, Friday morning at eleven o'clock for interment in Clar burying ground.
CRAIG - May 1, 1920 at his residence Carrownaffe Farm, Upper Moville. George, second son of the late Robert Craig in his 72nd year. Funeral this day, Monday 3rd inst at 2.30 pm to Clar burying ground.
Hope this helps.
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DoireM,
Thank you so much for those, do you have a source citation? Looks like newspaper announcements.
Al
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Al, welcome to Rootschat.
Yes, I transcribed them from the Derry Journal. If I come across any more in the weeks ahead will let you know.
Good Luck.
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http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~donegal
moville upper
24.4.1868 Roseanna daughter of Robert Craig married Frederick McCurry
Robert Craig died 19.12.1867
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http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~donegal
moville upper
24.4.1868 Roseanna daughter of Robert Craig married Frederick McCurry
Robert Craig died 19.12.1867
Note: death is 1869 (as in original post on this thread-
"December 21 1869 - December 19, at his residence, Carrownaffe, Moville, MR. ROBERT CRAIG"
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~donegal/movillelupprbmdnotices.htm
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DoireM,
Thanks for the source info and your work in transcribing it.
Rathmore,
Frederick it is, my error in copying from my notes, his father's name was Joseph
aghadowey,
Thanks for that.
I will edit my original post to reflect the correction and the new information re Anne Craig and Wm Britton
Does anyone know if there are MIs for Clar Presbyterian burying ground available online?
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I think the actual name is Moville Presbyterian Church which was originally at Clare (known as Old Moville). See here for a few gravestone inscriptions-
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~donegal/inishowencem2.htm
Photo of church:
http://www.geograph.ie/photo/875393
Looks like an older pictre, and more information, hre:
http://www.movillerecords.com/covenant6.html
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aghadowey,
Thanks, or could it be http://www.movillerecords.com/gravestones_clar.html .
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Hi Al C,
I was in Clar graveyard today, unfortunately before I read your post! I didn't notice any Craigs buried there, but I wasn't really looking for Craigs, the church at Clar/e is no longer standing, the photos linked by aghadowey are of Moville Presbyterian church, Clar graveyard is on the main road from Derry to Moville, off to the right hand side of the road, you can pop these coordinates into the search bar in google maps it will take you directly there, you can then drop into streetview to see the cemetery:
+55° 10' 15.81", -7° 6' 11.26"
This church was referred to as the old church Moville, but after the new church was built in the town of Moville both remained in use until Clar closed in the early 1960's
I intend to record all the graves that are legible in this graveyard sometime in the near future, so I'll keep you posted if I come across any Craigs
Regards
Joe
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Hi Joe,
Thanks for the information about the Clar graveyard and the co-ordinates, made things much clearer.
Please do keep me posted on any Craig gravemarkers you find there.
Regards,
Al
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Hi Al
I did an index search of Moville Presbyterian Church and can come up with the following children for Robert Craig and Eliza Maginnis:
Robert Craig 1842
Rosanna Craig 1844
Robert Craig 1846
elizabeth Craig 1849
Mary Craig 1854
Martha 1856
Barbara Craig 1858
William Craig 1860
Don't see a record for an Anne or George for the church, one of the 2 Roberts may have been Robert George or the first Robert may have died before the second was born
Regards
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Joe,
Thanks for those, glad to see my guesses at their birthyear's were not too far off the mark.
Edit:
Just noticed that Rev Joseph MacCorkell was mentioned in the abstract to Martha Craig's will on the PRONI site
"Full Abstract :
Craig Martha of Carrownaffe Moville county Donegal spinster died 19 December 1937 Probate Belfast 16 May to reverend Joseph MacCorkell presbyterian minister and Joshua Montgomery farmer and Herbert McMullan accountant."
A connection of yours?
You have a great website btw.
Regards,
Al
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Just wanted to say a thank you, for helping with the amazing progress on this family during the past week, especially for Anne Craig; I now have passenger manifests for all 3 of her trips from Ireland to Canada and the US, as well as those for her return visits to Ireland. Also her 1924 passport application which gives her birthdate as Dec 11, 1853 and the 1900,1910,1920, and 1930 US census, and images of her gravemarker as well as her husband's and daughter's. And to top it off, today I found her obit which appeared in the San Jose Evening News of June 25, 1932 which reads in part.
"Mrs Britton was born in Ulster, Ireland, December 11, 1851. She died Thusday at her home.... The deceased was married to William Britton in November, 1892, in Ireland and came to Morgan Hill [a town in Santa Clara Co. California and now a suburb of San Jose] in the spring of 1893...... Mrs Britton is survived by an only daughter, Miss Irene Britton R.N. ....
She also leaves three sisters, Mrs. Mary Montgomery of New Jersey, amd Misses Elizabeth Craig and Martha Craig of Ireland."
It is especially good to see the mention of Mary Montgomery as this more or less confirms that I have the right Montgomerys. Mary Craig and James Cousley Montgomery emmigrated to Canada within days of their marriage, had 4 children in Montreal then in 1896 emmigrated to Boston where another child was born. Their childrens' employments took them to New York, New Jersey and Pennsylvania. After her husband's death in 1921, she moved in with her eldest daughter in East Orange, NJ where she resided until her death in 1934.
Al
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Edit:
Just noticed that Rev Joseph MacCorkell was mentioned in the abstract to Martha Craig's will on the PRONI site
"Full Abstract :
Craig Martha of Carrownaffe Moville county Donegal spinster died 19 December 1937 Probate Belfast 16 May to reverend Joseph MacCorkell presbyterian minister and Joshua Montgomery farmer and Herbert McMullan accountant."
A connection of yours?
In answer to your question, no Joseph Mac/McCorkell is not related, I have done some research on him however as I was looking for a possible connection.
Joseph McCorkell born 1857, Presbyterian Minister Rev. Joseph McCorkell (lic. Derry) was ordained 1882 and spent 13 years at Creggs & Roscommon, served in Moville 1895-1939, died Galashiels, Scotland 5 May 1944 and was buried at Moville, Clar Graveyard, Redcastle (The same graveyard you were asking about in a previous post) His father was John McCorkell who owned a substantial farm in the townland of Skeog, Parish of Burt, just over the border from County Londonderry
Regards
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Could this be William b. 1860?
I came across this will calendar on the PRONI site
" Surname : Craig Date of Grant : 8 October 1889
Forename : William Reseal Date :
Registry : Londonderry Effects : Effects £420 10s. 8d.
Full Abstract :
The Will of William Craig late of Hawkins-street City of Londonderry Writing Clerk who died 20 June 1889 at same place was proved at Londonderry by John Bell of Moville County Donegal and James Maxwell Rodgers of the City of Londonderry Presbyterian Clergyman the Executors. "
There are two Civil Registrations in Londonderry which could be for this deceased, one in the Apr - June quarter and one in the July - Sept quarter, in the former the deceased is said to have been 24 and in the latter 28, neither of which is precise but obviously the latter is a closer fit. Is it likely a death occuring June 20th might not be registered until July?
What caught my eye about the will was the fact that Rev John Bell of Moville was named as one of the executors. I can't come up with a single plausible explanation why this would be if this William did not have some connection to Moville. Rev. Bell is shown as an executor of only three other wills on PRONI, 'my' Robert Craig possibly the father of this William, and two others both residents of Moville. The other executor was the minister at Great James Presbyterian Church in Londonderry, which appears to have been the nearest Presbyterian church to Hawkin St.
Thoughts anyone?
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Hi, one small piece of information, First Derry Presbyterian (1690) Magazine St. or Carlisle rd. Presbyterian church(1838) would both have been closer to Hawkin Street than Great James St. Church (1837)
Regards
Joe
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Al C, here's what you looking for!
CRAIG: June 20, 1889 at his residence 2 Hawkin Street, Londonderry, William, youngest son the late Robert Craig, Carrownaffe, Moville. His remains will be removed for interment in the City Cemetery tomorrow (Saturday) morning, 22nd inst at eleven o'clock.
Good luck!
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DoireM,
Thank you so much, just what I needed. Presume its from the Derry Journal for Friday, June 21, 1889.
Al
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Yes, that's the correct source Al.
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Mods, if you feel this post fits better on the Derry boards or the World War One board please move it.
Continuing my research into the decendents of Robert Craig and Eliza Maginnis of Carrownaffe, Moville, I found the wife and children of their third son, William Craig (1860 - 1889), in the 1901 and 1911 Census of Ireland.
His widow, Georgina (nee Daly) Craig, born Cork, married William Craig in Cork during the July - Sept qtr 1886. The two surviving sons Robert John Craig b. July - Sept qtr 1887 in Londonderry and George Daly Craig born 8 November, 1889 (ie just over 4 months after his father's death) also in Londonderry; a third child was born (according to the 1911 census) but does not appear to have survived until 1901.
I have been able to find a deal of information about George Daly Craig. He earned a BA 1912 and MA 1916 from Trinity Col. Dublin. He served in the 6th Royal Highlanders (Black Watch) and the Royal Irish Fusiliers during WW1 rising to the rank of Captain. His service is honoured in the Roll of Honour of the Presbyterian Church in Ireland, in the roll for Great James Street Presbyterian (see Eddies Extracts http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~econnolly/index.html) After the war he emmigrated to the United States, married and eventually divorced. He passed away in 1951 in Los Angles.
The Roll of Honour for Great James Street Presbyterian also lists a Captain Robert John Craig M.C. and Mentioned in Despatches and lists his Regt as B N Indian Regt. my research suggests that this is an error either in the transcription to Eddies Extracts or more likely in the original.
The only Robert John Craig M.C. and MiD I can find in the Medal Index Cards or the London Gazette was a Captain in the British West Indies Regiment. This Robert John Craig was a police inspector in British Guiana when he joined up and was born in 1887 or 1888, but unfortunately none of the records I can find give his birthplace so I cannot definitivly say they are one and the same man. What I do know is that after the war he returned to British Guiana and resumed his service as police inspector and that sometime in 1925 or 1926 he left that service and joined the service in Sierra Leone.. In this service, he rose to be Senior Assistant Superintendent of Police and in 1939 was awarded the Colonial Police Medal for Meritorous Service. Over the years, he made many return visits, mostly to addresses in PortStewart, so there is some connection to Londonderry.
What I am hoping for is that someone with access to the Derry newspapers, might find some mention of him there which confirms he is Robert John Craig son of William Craig and Georgina Daly. The dates of the significant events are
Joined British Guiana police sometime 1911 - 1915,
Commissioned to British West Indies Regt 21 August 1915, published in London Gazette 14 December, 1915
arrived Plymouth from Demerara 6 September 1915
went with 1st Battalion to Egypt arriving January 1916
Mentioned in Despatches 3 April 1918, published in London Gazette 14 June 1918
awarded Military Cross, award published in the Supplement to the LG 8 March, 1919, the citation published in the Suppl to the LG 4 October, 1919
awarded Colonial Police Medal, award published in Suppl to the LG 8 June 1939
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Just wanted to say a thank you, for helping with the amazing progress on this family during the past week, especially for Anne Craig; I now have passenger manifests for all 3 of her trips from Ireland to Canada and the US, as well as those for her return visits to Ireland. Also her 1924 passport application which gives her birthdate as Dec 11, 1853 and the 1900,1910,1920, and 1930 US census, and images of her gravemarker as well as her husband's and daughter's. And to top it off, today I found her obit which appeared in the San Jose Evening News of June 25, 1932 which reads in part.
"Mrs Britton was born in Ulster, Ireland, December 11, 1851. She died Thusday at her home.... The deceased was married to William Britton in November, 1892, in Ireland and came to Morgan Hill [a town in Santa Clara Co. California and now a suburb of San Jose] in the spring of 1893...... Mrs Britton is survived by an only daughter, Miss Irene Britton R.N. ....
She also leaves three sisters, Mrs. Mary Montgomery of New Jersey, amd Misses Elizabeth Craig and Martha Craig of Ireland."
It is especially good to see the mention of Mary Montgomery as this more or less confirms that I have the right Montgomerys. Mary Craig and James Cousley Montgomery emmigrated to Canada within days of their marriage, had 4 children in Montreal then in 1896 emmigrated to Boston where another child was born. Their childrens' employments took them to New York, New Jersey and Pennsylvania. After her husband's death in 1921, she moved in with her eldest daughter in East Orange, NJ where she resided until her death in 1934.
Al
Do you have any information about the Montgomery family that lived in Moville, Ireland? James Cousley Montgomery is my greatgrandfather and I am looking for more information about his family. My grandfather was the youngest son to be born when the Montgomery family moved to Boston, MA. James's father's name was Robert and his mother's name was Mary Cousley. Any information you have would be helpful.
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Do you have any information about the Montgomery family that lived in Moville, Ireland? James Cousley Montgomery is my greatgrandfather and I am looking for more information about his family. My grandfather was the youngest son to be born when the Montgomery family moved to Boston, MA. James's father's name was Robert and his mother's name was Mary Cousley. Any information you have would be helpful.
Hi annlbtx,
I am sorry to say that I have no definite information about your Robert Montgomery and Mary Cousley.
I have been wondering about the origin of your grandfather's second given name as well as those o his siblings, only his brother's, Robert Craig Montgomery, is obvious. Other generations and branches of this Craig family appear to have used second givens as a way to remember and honour the surnames of mothers, grandmothers and greatgrandmothers, etc. Could that also have been the case in your grandfather's generation of Montgomerys?
Al C
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Hello, finally got round to photographing some of the graves in Clar churchyard, Moville and although I didn't see any Craigs buried there I did see a couple of Montgomery graves, not sure if they are of interest, but here is a transcription of the older gravestone:
In Loving memory of Josiah Montgomery died 11th Jan 1921 aged 82 years. And his beloved wife Mary died 26th Feb 1929, aged 79 years. Also sons Robert B died 14th Feb 1919, aged 24 Years. Henry died 15th Dec. 1920 aged 42 years James died in infancy. Also his parents Josiah Montgomery died 15th Nov, 1879. Elizabeth Montgomery died 28th June 1888. Also his daughter Elizabeth died 16th Feb 1966. Polly , died 13th May 1966
Regards
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Robert John Craig MC was the older brother of George Daly Craig and son of William Craig and Georgina nee Daly of Londonderry. I am his granddaughter and am delighted you have so much information about his younger brother and his mother including the date of her death 28/8/1928. Do you have further details of where she died? We know she emigrated to the US in 1920, a year after her son George went to Seattle. My mother (born in British Guiana) always wanted to know what happened to her grandmother, sadly she died 2 years ago. George became a US citizen in 1928 but the family had no contact with him. We think he married a Violet Elizabeth Lawson who also died in California and would love to know of any offspring. What an amazing website - thank you so much!
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Dear Al
Excited to get such a prompt reply to my very first post. You posted Georgina's death date on the Great War forum. A Richard Daly acted as sponsor for George Daly Craig on his naturalisation petition. I guessed it might be Georgina's brother. Will be in touch.
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i was born and reared in carrownaffe in the1960s and gathered potatoes for the mc laughlin family their were 2 brothers and 2 sisters in the house at that time they were better known as craigs
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Just visited Clar churchyard and have photos of Craig memorial.
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I would be very interested in finding out if there is a Robert Craig b 1817 and his wife Eliza Maginnis Craig list there. Did you put these pictures on Findagrave.com?
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The stone was erected by Robert Craig of Carrownaffe who died 19th December 1869 and commemorates his daughter Rebbecca Jane, his wife Eliza Craig, his son Robert, second son George and his daughters Elizabeth Craig and Martha Craig. I am not sure how to post on Findagrave but will look into it. Robert Craig is my great great grandfather and his wife was Eliza Maginnis.
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Mary Craig b. 1854 daughter of Robert Craig is my great grandmother on my father’s side. Do you have any other information about her father, Robert Craig? Who were his parents? Have you ever heard anything about this Craig family living in “The Pier House” in Moville? Who did you descend from?
Thanks for any help.
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Hi Jane,
Jane thanks for posting the new information.
As you may recall my email was hacked several years ago, if your email address is still the same as it was five years ago I will email you my new address.
Al
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My great grandfather was William Craig, youngest son of Robert and Eliza. Sadly did not know about The Pier House in Moville or would have searched for it. Al C has much more info than I have.
Al C - good to hear from you. I was worried, had forgotten about the problems and posted in the hope you would still be keeping an eye out. Look forward to hearing from you. J
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Hi Ann
I have checked through my notes and can't find anything about them living at Pier House.
I suppose it is possible. Where did you find the mention?
Al
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I don't have a reference for the pier house, only through my mother's research and hearsay. Do you know anything more about Robert Montgomery's family--who his father was? I know there was a well know preacher in Moville named Montgomery but I don't know if we are related or not. I was also interested in any information of his wife, Eliza Mcginnis born in 1822? Thanks!
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Ann
Sorry for taking so long to reply. I checked through my notes to see if l had anything new about tho Montgomerys or Eliza McGinnis. Nothing in the last several years.
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Thank you! I will keep searching. Ann