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Hi,
I have been researching the MUSSEN family in Ireland for almost 10 years now. I have lots of "extra" Mussens that I am trying to fit into the main tree. They centered around Lisburn, Derriaghy, Dromore, and Belfast.
I have had some success by searching associated families to link my extras.
If anyone has any Mussen information- direct or indirect - I'd be grateful. Some of the surnames that were used as first or middle names were: ALLEN, CAMAC, CARLETON, CLOSE, CHRISTIAN, JOHNSTON, MURDOCH, NEILL, ROBERTS, SEEDS, WARING, WHITLA and WILLIS. Mussen was also used as a middle name in some families.
I have a fair amount of bapt, marr, and burial records for Derriaghy and Lisburn focused on Mussen but there are the spouses names there too. I would love to share information regarding any of these families in these areas or even just to share information generally about families there. There was much intermarrying, etc., so there must be some links to be found somewhere!!
Thank you! I look forward to sharing!!
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Hi,
There are several Mussens listed in the PRONI Wills which may help. See http://applications.proni.gov.uk/DCAL_PRONI_WillsCalendar/WillsSearch.aspx
Regards
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Hi,
I've sent you a PM.
Regards,
Aljepeka
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I am not sure if I have offered you this information before.
MUSSEN manuscript family trees exist in the following volumes :- 23 Lisburn, 33, 63 (Allen) + Two items, 90 Hillhall, 92 Lisburn. These volumes form part of the Blackwood Family history manuscript trees in LinenHall library, Belfast. The same collection’s index may give you useful references on the other surnames mentioned.
I suggest you ask them for photocopying estimates if they think your knowledge relevant and be prepared to pay the extra for post and packing. However if the material is really relevant when you get it, I suggest a further donation to this unique library that is always needing extra funds. Linen Hall Library,17 Donegall Square North, Belfast BT15GB, Northern Ireland, Telephone: +44 (0)28 9032 1707, Fax: +44 (0)28 9043 8586, Email:info[at]linenhall.com. Note: please replace [at] with @.
My middle name is Whitla emanating from Co Monaghan, can I search for your connection?
Good luck, Jim
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Wow!
Thank you for all the help already. I will follow up with these suggestions!! Yay!!
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8586, Email:info@linenhall.com.
My middle name is Whitla emanating from Co Monaghan, can I search for your connection?
Good luck, Jim
The Whitla reference I have is fairly old and from Lisburn Cathedral - George Whitla Mussen born Feb 1, 1826 and baptised Feb 19, 1826. Son of Thomas Mussen and Jane Greer. Do you think it is the same Whitla family?
Thank you!
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Rev John Mussen M.A. 1825 Rector Of Magheragall Lisburn
He also was a scholar of T.C.D., 1819, and must have been a curate in the South of Ireland, as he was ordained priest at Cloyne in 1825. He was a relative of Dr Mussen, of Glenavy, was married to Henrietta Garrett, of Magheragall, and lived in the cottage that formerly stood on the site of the new graveyard. During his time the present church was built in 1831. From Magheragall he removed to the parish of Kilmore, Co. Down, in 1846, where he died in 1866, aged 68. He was a diligent worker, especially among the children, and is said to have instituted daily services at Kilmore, which were not appreciated by the people. He was buried within a railing in the northwest part of the graveyard, close to the railing round his predecessor’s grave, but in neither case is there any inscription.
This is an extract from an unpublished history.
yours
magheragall
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Hi
On Glenavyhistory webiste the following can be found for free down load
The Life and Times of Dr. Arthur Mussen M.D., J.P. Glenavy, County Antrim 1842 - 1931
by The Digger
The Digger has launched a new 116 page publication on the life and times of Dr. Mussen, compiled from miscellaneous newspaper extracts and other local sources including the Orange Lodge records of L.O.L. 227 in Glenavy.
The chapters of this book are now available for download:
yours
Magheragall
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Thank you Magheragall,
I have quite a bit of information about Rev. John Mussen. Have you ever heard of a Rev. Robert Mussen? I am told was a curate of Magheragall? He is supposed to be the son of Robert Mussen of Derriaghy who died ~1705. I have no real proof of either statement.
I was also given this information, but again with no proof:
Roberts Mussen's 2 sisters settled at Glenavy near the Lough - one married Dr. Campbell, dissolute old man, died. She went to live with his people in Magheragall who called son Mussen after her.
Roberts Mussen was the first curate of Primate Alexander
Any ideas??
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I have searched all my Whitla material for a Mussen connection unsuccessfully. However thelocation Glenavy connections exist
My Whitla line emanating from Co Monaghan,was previously Whitley Co Armagh. Your Whitla line I think is the Glenavy line published in the book volumes known as the Visitations of Ireland [copy in the LinenHall Library, Belfast] modernish researchers inc Capt Jock, Leslie Whitla [& others in Oz], and Richard & Sally Wale in 2004 and the late Patrick Corkey
Try Whitla Message board on Genforum and Rootsweb
Good luck, Jim
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I have a Charlotte Mussen born about 1805 wife of William McConnell born in 1878, both in Dromore. They had 10 children, including a Blaney McConnell, which is a Christian name common in the Mussen family. Their daughter Sarah was my g.grandmother who had several children out of wedlock, including my grandmother. (Oh, the shame!!)
Have you by any chance, the marriage of Charlotte and William, or any other information about Charlotte??
RosemaryJoan
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Hi RosemaryJoan,
This is all I have on a Blaney family. Blaney is a stray for me. I have not been able to find who his parents were. I will look further through my notes for the McConnell connection for you. I am interested to know the connection.
Blaney Mussen, carpenter & Charlotte Cunningham Married 3 Aug 1832 Dromore Parish, Down (LDS batch M700051) From KJR witnesses to marriages James Mitchell & Samuel Flack.
- Mary b:1832 married 1857 Apr 24 Magheralin C.O.I. Joseph Boston.
- John b:1834 Dec 20. Bap Dec 21, Magheralin, Dromo & Dromero, never married
- Elizabeth b:1837 Feb 5, Magheralin, married 1855 John Cousins Magheralin
- Charlotte b:1838 Aug 26, Magheralin, Dromo & Dromero married 1857 Jacob Hewston,
Magheralin, Lurgan -son Blayney Hewston born 1 Mar 1867, Knocknadona, Antrim
(LDS batch C701311)
- Sarah b:1842 Sept 25
- Rachel b:1847 July 11. Married Moses Brown 1884 Dec 3 Lurgan Registration Office
* 1901 Census - Rachel Brown age 50 living with brother John Mussen
(not married, carpenter, can read & write) and niece Minnie Mussen
(married, seamstress, cannot read or write) in Dollingstown, Magheralin, Down
- Robert bap:1853 May 29
Blaney died 1882, civil reg Jul-Sep 1882, Lurgan, age 60, vol 1, pg 457, digital folder 4200673 Film Number: 101591
Buried Dromore Cathedral aged 73
If you have anything to add or correct I would be most grateful!
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Yes, I have seen all these records and I BELIEVE that Blaney Mussen is my Charlotte's brother but can't prove it.
This name Blayney turns up now and again.
I'll wait and see if you find any more info. I have all the McConnell data if you would like it. Send me a PM if you like.
RosemaryJoan
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I have (through a private researcher) a list of marriages at Lisburn Cathedral. I was wondering if anyone else had couples they could add to the list. If we all share we may find something! So please feel free to add any data you may have. I can do the same for baptisms and burials if there is any interest as well as Derriaghy Parish Church.
MARRIAGES 1664-1735
1675 James MUSSEN and Ann Burrowes of Lisburn Octo the 5th
1682 Mr ffrancis Mussenden & Mrs Isabella Johnston of Blaris Nov ye 3rd
1684 Richard MUSSEN of Dirr: & Catharin Dougall of Lisb: Apr 3
Marriages 1735-1739 [one page, p148]
No Mussen
Marriages 1739 & 1745-1760
1748 Aug 6 **John MUSSEN & Eliza Higginson, Lisburn
Marriages 1763-1792 [microfilm faded]
1769 [no date] Mr Warren & Miss Mussen
1774 Novem’r 12th - Elias Clegg & Catherin Musen
1777 Aug 10th - George MUSSEN & Isabella Johnson by Lic
Marriages 1792-1819
1795 May 2’d John Herdman, Lisburn & Agnes Mussen, Derryaghy by Licence
1795 Dec’r 3rd James Mussen Derryaghy & Mary Newburn, Lisburn
1811 May 10 Mr Matthew Mussen & Miss Margaret Allen by Licence
1811 June 20 John Major & Isabella Mussen by Licence
1813 Feb 17 Thomas Mussen and Jane Greer by Licence
1815 Jan 27 Richard Mussen and Margaret Collins by Licence
1815 March 10th Hugh Seeds and Sarah Mussen
Marriages 1820-1848 & Burials 1820-1848 [mixed]
1820-February 27th Robert Walsh & Sarah Allen, Lic
1820 – February 29th John Mussen & Jane Marten, Lic
1820 – March 10th Robert Seeds & Ann Mussen, Licence
1820-Apr 28 John Waring & Martha Cosgrave, Licence
1820-May 4 Samuel Waring & Mary Dodds, Licence
1820-Sept 30 Adam Kelly & Jane McKeown
1820 – Nov’r 8 Mr John Dolan and Miss Catherine Mussen, Licence
1821 – Oct 15 Alexander Anderson & Elizabeth Mussen Licence
1821 – Dec’r 27 Robert Orr McKitterick of the parish of Bangor Esq, Surgeon and Miss Nessey Mussen, Spinster (by Licence)
of the parish of Lisburn
1822 – March 22 William Murdock and Arrabella Mussen, Licence
1823 – Sept 24 Richard Warren & Charlotte Mussen Licence
1823 – Nov 14 John Rogers and Agnes Mussen Licence
1825 – Dec 8 Thomas Mussen & Charlotte Waring, widow, Licence
1827 – Nov’r 10 William Mussen & Margaret Murdock, Licence
1829 – March 19 Adam Blackburn & Mary Mussen, Licence
1830 July 27 John Johnston & Mary Robinson
1832 – March 11 Francis Weldon & Charlotte Mussen Licence
1832 – Augst 5 Henry Clenaghan & Isabella Murdock alias Mussen, Licence
1838 – Dec 16 Francis Halliday & Rebecca Mussen, Licence
1842 – Aug 19 Arthur Mussen & Margaret Camac, Lisburn, Licence
1849 – Jul 22 James Johnston of Longstone, shoemaker, son of James Johnston,
married Margaret Neill
1850 Feb 3 William Johnston of Longston, shoemaker, son of John Johnston (a weaver)
& Elizabeth McCann
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Strange that you should have the marriage on 6 Aug. 1748 of John Mussen to Eliza Higginson. According to my records it was a year earlier, to her sister whose forename I know not. Eliza or Elizabeth (1721-1801) m. Hugh Casement of Ballinderry; the will (1806) of their son Thomas mentions Elizabeth and Frances Mussen and their sister Mrs Mary Walker of Lisburn, but does not specifically identify them as cousins.
That Elizabeth was a dau. of George Higginson of Magheragall parish who d. ca 1744 and his wife who may have been Ann, dau. of Thomas Welsh who was a churchwarden of Lisburn. Unfortunately the Higginson pedigree in Burke's Irish Family Records is not to be trusted: it appears to have been compiled by Col. James Graham who was an unreliable researcher.
Don't know whether any of this helps, or whether 'Magheragall' can clarify matters at all, at all.
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I will have another look at my originals when I get home. That marriage of John Mussen & Elizabeth Higginson is a stray one that I have not found any connections for, so perhaps it is an error.
I am curious about the will you mention of Hugh Casement. He is a person of interest to me. Is the will on the PRONI site or do you have a copy. Would you be willinto share the details in it?
Thank you! more later ...
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hollyhenry,
The will was of Hugh's son Thomas. PRONI D1715/3 and D1769/7.
Hugh's (anno 1797) is D2489/3 and D896/64/39 (codicil, I think)
Probably not on their web site, but some years ago I made transcripts.
What's your connection with that family?
I think I'm going to have to cycle down to the Linen Hall Library
and follow up Jim's lead.
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I will send you a PM as the Casement connection is a little round about to explain!
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Jim,
I was in the Linen Hall Library today but drew a blank with some of your references to the Blackwood pedigrees. Was that five different volumes, or were some of them page numbers?
Is there an overall index of surnames, or do I have to look at the list of contents in each separate volume (those that have one, I mean)?
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Hi wee Hugh, sorry for delay in answering. Briefly I made the index that you didn't see on your visit to the library. My [work in progress] card index was originally produced for my own use, in haste, out of library hours, with some of the volumes removed before I could examine them. The library then valued the effort having it typed up. Unexpectedly my card index vanished, so it was never proof read. against the cards. The original was typed on foolscap then as this original became worn out, it was photocopied. About 10 years ago I retyped the index from a photocopy copy hoping the library would consider encouraging somebody else to finish what I started. Nothing happened regretfully. Yes you are right every volume differs, in having page numbers or not, some with contents listing, some not etc. I paged one volume in pencil but was told not to do that again.
The index was meant to follow these guide lines as it built up
1. Each reference starts with a number that is the volume number between 1 and 98.
2. Either it is immediately followed by a p for first page number, followed by that page number, followed by a comma, OR there are no page numbers usually because most of the volume is about that family, OR there is a page index in that volume, OR the volume was without page numbers.
3. Next can come a locality place-name or a house name.
4. Next can come one or more surnames. These are the equivalent of see and see also references. In practice this is not easy for a newcomer to establish a clear system earlier enough.
5. A coma signifies the next reference to that surname.
6. The letter T is used when it appears the material has been transcribed or ‘Part’ transferred elsewhere, any other reference to that surname being a more complete or final version normally.
7. The letter N is for notes that are either at the end of the tree or more often at the end of the book.
8. Those surnames that fall into the M’, Mc, Mac are treated as within one Mc section.
9. Overall advice: - Look up every surname reference, and double check the back of each book for further notes.
So to recap the references I gave you, :-Mussen is in volume 23 a Lisburn line, also Mussen turns up in volume 33, and in volume 63 (some association with an Allen) + Two items these were probably loose tucked in newspaper cuttings, more Mussen in volume 90 a Hillhall connection and volume 92 with a Lisburn connection. These last two entries could be in special bindings and be kept in the Strong room etc.
Finally If you want a copy of the index I will send it to you via PM
Good luck onwards Jim
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Thanks, Jim.
I've now extracted what I could find on Mussen.
The puzzle is vol. 63 which is typescript "recollections", where I could find no reference to Mussen. However, a visit to the Linen Hall Library is never a wasted trip!
_____ Hugh
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Hi,
Although I haven't researched my Kelso line for several years, the name Mussen rang a bell - I have 3 baptisms from Dromara Presbyterian Church:
Children of Robert Mussen & Jane Kelso (no marriage record found):
James Birch Mussen b. 26 April 1816
Robert Mussen b. 12 August 1819
Margaret Anne Mussen b. 1 April 1821.
My Kelso ancestors came from Kinallen Townland, Dromore Parish and were associated with this church. I haven't found a definite link between Jane and my Kelso line.
Best wishes,
Eddie Kelso
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Thank you Eddie,
I think we have been in contact many years ago. And I am still stuck where I was those many years ago. At
James Mussen (b1816) (d~1847/8) married Mary Jane Beck - place and date unknown
They had 3 sons all born in Dromara
Samuel John 1843 July 16 Crossgar, Dromara
(married Mary Eliza McHenry 1864 Belfast)
Joseph Campbell 1845 Oct 9 Crossgar, Dromara
(married Jane Higgins 1868 Glasgow)
**James 1848 June 27 Crossgar, Dromara and at the time of his birth/baptism his father is noted as deceased.
(married Janet Watson 1873 Oct 10, Wynd Church, Glasgow)
Mary Jane Beck's brother an 2 sisters married in Dromore though, at 2nd Dromore Presbyterian.
Is your Kelso line related with the Dr. Kelso in Lisburn?
Thanks so much for adding your thoughts to the thread!
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This may be of no relevence whatsoever,but in my search for Mc Dowells in Co Down I have a John Mc Dowell married an Arabella Mussen c 1799 in Dromore Co Down.
Unfortuneately not my Mc Dowell.
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Thank you Agnetta,
I don't think I have that one. Much appreciated!!
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Hi
I was just reading through this thread and wanted to ask a question about Robert Seeds and Agnes Mussen who married in 1820. I know that they had a son Henry Seeds (born about 1825?) as he was the co-executor of the will of his uncle Arthur Mussen.
What i am wondering is does anyone know how this branch of the Seeds family was related to Henry and William Seeds, two solicitor brothers who operated in Belfast at the time?
This second Henry was 61 when he died in 1877 and William was 66 when he died in 1886. Any thoughts?
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Hugh, I looked up Mussen in my copy of the index to the Linenhall Library's Blackwood collection Hugh I looked up Vol 63 other references and found a clue, the Allen references are not in 63, but in 65, and that makes me fairly certain it might be worth another trip looking at Vol 65. I hope I owe you a coffee or stronger. Jim
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Thanks, Jim.
I'll pop down there some time.
It'll be an opportunity to browse in the Oxfam bookshop in Rosemary Street while I'm there.
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hi
came across this mussen death
heneritta mussen of downpatrick funeral on 29/01/1864 aged 64 conducted at magheragall parish by revd mockler
yours magheragall
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hi
came on another
John Mussen (Clerk) ie minister in Diocese of Down living at Kilmore rectory, funeral 20th march 1866 aged 68 conducted by Revd Mockler at Magheragall.
Husband of Henrietta Mussen of Donard View Downpatrick who died on 23/01/1875 (see previous post)
according to Clergy of Connor complied by Canon Leslie they had 2 children
Henry Garrett Mussen who married 01/09/1868 Harriet Alice Drew at Christ Church Belfast daughter of the Rev Thomas Drew
Maria Higginson Mussen married James Brown of North Down Rifles 23/06/1863
yours
magheragall
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Hi Magheragall,
Thanks for that. I had something very similar but the year was 1875, not 1864, same month though as I had a death date of 26 January 1875. The Henrietta who died in 1875 was the wife of John Mussen, the minister of Magheragall C of I. I think she would have been 64 or 64 when she died so that fits too.
Could this record be for the same person do you think?
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I thought there might have been an announcement in the Belfast News-Letter,
but could find nothing in the two weeks following 26 Jan. in either 1864 or 1875.
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Hi,
The female Mussen who died on 26 Jan 1875 is named in The PRONI wills site as HARRIETT. There is also an image of the actual will.
Regards
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Hi all
Sorry for causing confusion, I think it was too late to be posting details, for me, too sleeply
THe burial of Heneritta was 1875 and aged 64, I have put the age into the date of burial, my mistake.
You had also asked about R Mussen on earlier post, the entry in Clergy of Connor compiled by Canon Leslie
ROBARTS MUSSEN 1817-1875
Born 1/04/1817 Co Antrim: ent TCD 1 Jul 1840 aged 23 BA 1845 MA 1868
deacon 1849 priest 1850; C Magheragall (Conn) c1845; Drumgooland (Drom) 1857-58; Donaghmore (Derry) 1858-63; Camus-Juxta-Mourne 1863-64; Ballymoney (Conn) 1864-65; PC Drumchamph (Derry) 1865-75
son of Matthew Mussen (merc); married 25 June 1867 Moville Church Susan Jane dau of John Matthewson of Clare House Castlederg: Died 29 June 1875.
Hope that clears up the Heneritta, I also have access to Clergy of Down & Dormore, will check it out. I don't follow all the abbreivations in entry above.
yours Magheragall
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ROBARTS MUSSEN 1817-1875
Born 1/04/1817 Co Antrim: ent TCD 1 Jul 1840 aged 23 BA 1845 MA 1868
deacon 1849 priest 1850; C Magheragall (Conn) c1845; Drumgooland (Drom) 1857-58; Donaghmore (Derry) 1858-63; Camus-Juxta-Mourne 1863-64; Ballymoney (Conn) 1864-65; PC Drumchamph (Derry) 1865-75
son of Matthew Mussen (merc); married 25 June 1867 Moville Church Susan Jane dau of John Matthewson of Clare House Castlederg: Died 29 June 1875.
BA = Bachelor of Arts
MA = Master of Arts
(Conn) = Diocese of Connor
(Drom) = Diocese of Dromore
(Derry) = Diocese of Derry
merc = merchant
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Hi
Clergy of Connor, Thomas Drew entry gives following info about Henry Garrett Mussen's marriage,
In respect of Henry Garrett son of John Mussen (Rector of Kilmore)
He married the 10th child of Revd Thomas Drew & Isabella Drew nee Dalton of Dublin 24/03/1829
She was Harriet Alice (married 01/09/1868) and she died 26 May 1889 at INVERCARGILL NZ
Please note also in respect of R Mussen the book say Robarts not Robert
Source Clergy of Connor by Canon Leslie
yours
magheragall
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Hi
The Moses Brown who married Rachel Mussen, is a distant cousin of mine. His full name was Moses Douglas Brown, born abt 1847 in Armagh (Likely Lurgan). Rachel was his 3rd wife, and he is still alive and shows on the 1911 census, married but living alone. I don't know what this couple's story was, and they seem to no have had any children.
Jenni
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Hi
I am wondering if you have found who the parents are of Minnie Mussen, listed as living with her Uncle John Mussen in the 1901 census? In the 1911 census she is married to Mathew Douglas, and has her Aunt Rachel Brown nee Mussen living with her. What we are trying to determing is if Minnie is a daughter of Rachel Brown (even though last name is Mussen ... perhaps born before Rachel Mussen married Moses Brown)? A birth record would be helpful :o)
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Hello, Jennie. My name is Susan Cunningham and I have a Minnie Mussen in my family. Minnie was born in Lenaderg, Co. Down on June 28, 1880 to Joseph Mussen and Ann Jane Walker. She had at least two siblings - Edith and Agnes Mussen who both emigrated to Bracebridge, Ontario, Canada. I am the great-grandaughter of Edith Mussen.
"Ireland Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGK7-MZP : 10 February 2018), Joseph Mussen in entry for Minnie Mussen, 28 Jun 1880; citing Lenaderg, Down, Ireland, index based upon data collected by the Genealogical Society of Utah, Salt Lake City; FHL microfilm 256,057.
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Name MINNIE MUSSEN
Date of Birth 1880
Group Registration ID 8843206
SR District/Reg Area Banbridge
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1880/02865/2049606.pdf
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C Reg Birth, Marriage and Death results for Mussen
Displaying results 1 - 100 of 394. http://www.rootschat.com/links/01m7l/
you can select Births, decades etc etc from list on left
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Hi I came across this thread.. I've seen my great great grandmother mentioned Minnie. She is Rachel Brown's daughter born before her marriage to Moses Brown. Some people on ancestry have linked this family back to France?
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Here's a bit on Mussen family-
http://glenavyhistory.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/1-The-Mussen-family-and-Lisburn-District.pdf
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My earliest ancestor was Charlotte Mussen, born circa 1805 in Dromore (?)who Married William McConnel in Dromore. Anyone know anything more about her?
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I'm a descendant of Francis Weldon and Charlotte (Mussen) Weldon, here's a link to Charlotte Mussen Weldon which may help in terms of the Mussen family members and their family tree.
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Mussen-88
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hollyhenry
Just found this thread and noticed om page 2 that you requested info on marriages at Lisburn Cathedral.
Although outside of your timings, my great grandmother's sister got married on 1 Dec 1866. The marriage was between Thomas Wilson and Catherine McCurry
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Marriage 7 December 1866
Link-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1866/11550/8248597.pdf
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Must wear my specs the next time!! :-[
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Hi, Im still trying to research this family.
My 2nd G grandmother was Minnie Mussen born in Dromore to Rachel Mussen (before she married Moses Brown) Minnie is listed as UNKNOWN MUSSEN on Irish gen. her father is unknown, when she married she did not list a father. I dont believe it was Moses Brown who her mother later married.
Minnie married Matthew Douglas.
Her mum Rachel my 3rd G grandmother was born to Blaney Mussen (I can see he was mentioned here earlier)
I believe he married Charlotte Cunningham ( a charlotte mussen is listed on her death cert as widow of Blaney Mussen and her daughter Rachel also signs it)
Someone suggested Blaneys father as Phillip Mussen (of dromore) son of James Mussen and his mother Jane Logan. However I cannot find any suggestion Jane and Phillip had a son called Blaney, only that Phillip comes from 'Balleny' and my grandmother suggested Blaney was named after a place.
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My 2nd G grandmother was Minnie Mussen born in Dromore to Rachel Mussen (before she married Moses Brown) Minnie is listed as UNKNOWN MUSSEN on Irish gen. her father is unknown....
Here's the birth record - 24 November 1882. The Registrar's District was Moira in Co Down. Her mother Rachel was living in Drumo and Drumcro townland (Magheralin civil parish). The birth was not in Dromore. (Dromore was in Banbridge Superintendent Registrar's District).
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1882/02764/2015108.pdf
https://www.townlands.ie/down/iveagh-lower-upper-half/magheralin/magheralin/drumo-and-drumcro/
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4759813#map=12/54.4431/-6.2502
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Her mum Rachel my 3rd G grandmother was born to Blaney Mussen....
I believe he married Charlotte Cunningham ( a charlotte mussen is listed on her death cert as widow of Blaney Mussen and her daughter Rachel also signs it)
Charlotte Mussen's death on 13 January 1901 at Taughrane townland. Her daughter Rachel Brown was the informant.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1901/05740/4620699.pdf
https://www.townlands.ie/down/iveagh-lower-upper-half/magheralin/magheralin/taughrane/
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….Minnie Mussen, listed as living with her Uncle John Mussen in the 1901 census? In the 1911 census she is married to Mathew Douglas, and has her Aunt Rachel Brown nee Mussen living with her.
1901 census
House 61 in Dollingstown (Magheralin, Down)
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Magheralin/Dollingstown/1242814/
1911 census - Matthew and Margaret Douglas and family
House 51 in Dollinstown Town (Magheralin, Down)
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Magheralin/Dollinstown_Town/251697/
Last three children of the Douglas/Mussen marriage-
Rachel Douglas 1911, Anna Douglas 1912, Sarah Douglas 1915.
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01tcx/
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I believe Blaney Mussen was brother to my Charlotte born c1795. She was married to William McConnell who was a miller , near Balleny. I have never found proof of that marriage, but I am here to prove that they had children, their daughter Sarah being my gggrandmother. I just wish we could find some proof of that marriage. RosemaryJoan
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Minnie (Mussen) was born in Lenaderg, Co. Down on June 28, 1880 to Joseph Mussen and Ann Jane Walker. She had at least two siblings - Edith and Agnes Mussen who both emigrated to Bracebridge, Ontario, Canada.
Edith Mussen born 8 August 1884 at Dromore Street, Banbridge.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1884/02683/1988193.pdf
Agnes Mussen born 12 March 1887 - Banbridge
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1887/02563/1947817.pdf
Joseph Mussen married Ann Jane Walker on 5 September 1879 at Ballydown Presbyterian Church.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1879/11071/8050933.pdf
1901 census - Edith & Agnes
House 115 in Roden Street (Saint Anne's Ward Belfast, Antrim)
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Saint_Anne_s_Ward_Belfast/Roden_Street/953838/
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Another sibling-
William John Mussen born 2 October 1882. MMN Walker
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1882/02763/2014642.pdf
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The female Mussen who died on 26 Jan 1875 is named in The PRONI wills site as HARRIETT. There is also an image of the actual will.
Henrietta Mussen died 26/01/1875 at Demesne of Down townland. She was the widow of a rector.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1875/020638/7240672.pdf
https://www.townlands.ie/down/lecale-upper/down/downpatrick/demesne-of-down/
The Will (with one Codicil) of Harriett Mussen late of Donard View Downpatrick County Down Widow deceased who died 26 January 1875 at same place was proved at Belfast by the oath of Maria Higginson Brown (Wife of James Brown of Donard View near Downpatrick Captain in North Down Rifles) one of the Executors.
Date of Grant : 1 March 1875
Effects : under £1,000
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- Charlotte b:1838 Aug 26, Magheralin, Dromo & Dromero married 1857 Jacob Hewston,
Magheralin, Lurgan -son Blayney Hewston born 1 Mar 1867, Knocknadona, Antrim
Charlotte MUSSIN married Jacob Hewston on 21 September 1857 at Magheralin Parish Church.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1857/09534/5456336.pdf
Blaney Hewston born 1 March 1867 at Mullaghcarton, Magheragall. The informant his father, a stonemason.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1867/03502/2287175.pdf
https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/massereene-upper/magheragall/magheragall/mullaghcarton/
Blaney (Mussen) died 1882, civil reg Jul-Sep 1882, Lurgan, age 60, vol 1, pg 457..
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His death on 2 July 1882 at Drumo and Drumcro. Informant was (his son-in-law) Jacob Hewston.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1882/06396/4836760.pdf
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- Mary b:1832 married 1857 Apr 24 Magheralin C.O.I. Joseph Boston.
- John b:1834 Dec 20. Bap Dec 21, Magheralin, Dromo & Dromero, never married
- Elizabeth b:1837 Feb 5, Magheralin, married 1855 John Cousins Magheralin
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Marriage 24 April 1857 - Joseph Boston to Mary Mussen. Her father Bleany [sic] Mussen, a carpenter.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1857/09534/5456334.pdf
John Cousins married Eliza MUSSIN on 7 December 1855 at Magheralin Parish Church. Father Blaney MUSSIN, a carpenter. Eliza living at Drumo & Drumcro, John at Taughrane.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1855/09494/5440928.pdf
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Has anyone found Blaney Mussen’s parents?
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Mussen
Samuel John 1843 July 16 Crossgar, Dromara
(married Mary Eliza McHenry 1864 Belfast)
Joseph Campbell 1845 Oct 9 Crossgar, Dromara
(married Jane Higgins 1868 Glasgow)
**James 1848 June 27 Crossgar, Dromara and at the time of his birth/baptism his father is noted as deceased.
(married Janet Watson 1873 Oct 10, Wynd Church, Glasgow)
Samuel Mussen married Mary Eliza McHenry on 23 April 1864 at Great Victoria Street Presbyterian Church.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1864/11607/8272411.pdf
Using ScotlandsPeople marriages - https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/ -
Joseph Campbell Musson married Jane Higgins-
MUSSON
JOSEPH
HIGGINS
JANE
1868
644 / 2 / 37
High Church
James Musson married Janet Watson-
MUSSON
JAMES
WATSON
JANET
1873
644 / 5 / 157
Clyde
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Has anyone found Blaney Mussen’s parents?
Still havent found anything firm. People say online its Philip Mussen but no record record Blaney.
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….Minnie Mussen, listed as living with her Uncle John Mussen in the 1901 census? In the 1911 census she is married to Mathew Douglas, and has her Aunt Rachel Brown nee Mussen living with her.
1901 census
House 61 in Dollingstown (Magheralin, Down)
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Magheralin/Dollingstown/1242814/
1911 census - Matthew and Margaret Douglas and family
House 51 in Dollinstown Town (Magheralin, Down)
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Magheralin/Dollinstown_Town/251697/
Last three children of the Douglas/Mussen marriage-
Rachel Douglas 1911, Anna Douglas 1912, Sarah Douglas 1915.
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01tcx/
Hi Rachel was definitely Minnies mother not aunt. Minnie was still living with my still living Gmother who remembers Minnie saying Rachel was her mother and she never knew her father
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Has anyone found Blaney Mussen’s parents?
still on this trying to find. Ive found Philips childrens baptism records - no Blaney/blainey/bleaney in them. Just that their address was Belleny
I think ive found all the sons born to Philip married, was thinking that one of them - maybe Philip Skelton Mussen went by Blaney but no..
Mrg record for Blaney Mussen but no recorded details other than spouse Charlotte.
Havent found any mention in newspapers either
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I believe Blaney Mussen was brother to my Charlotte born c1795. She was married to William McConnell who was a miller , near Balleny. I have never found proof of that marriage, but I am here to prove that they had children, their daughter Sarah being my gggrandmother. I just wish we could find some proof of that marriage. RosemaryJoan
Only charlotte Mussens earlier than the civil records i could find were:
Mussen Charlotte in 1799 Down
Mussen Charlotte in 1896 Antrim
Mussen Charlotte L in 1896 Antrim
Mussen Charlotte in 1902 Antrim
Mussen Charlotte in 1908 Down
Blaney got married in 1832 in Dromore - no charlotte Mussens getting married aound this time - and no female Mussens marrying a william Mcconnell around the time either. Is it possible she married a Mussen, was widowed and remarried a mcconnell - sometimes that can confuse things, for example id someone remarry but when she died her children refferred to her as her former married name for newspapers..
did find William McConnell marrying Nancy Cunningham in Dromore 1844: both from Balleny Dromore - witness 1 John Cunningham and witness 2 Samuel Arbuthnot (Mussens married into this name) .. not fathers listed. Would be nice to know if Nancy was related to Blaneys wife charlotte.. maybe this is your connection?
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I was once told that Charlotte married a John? Hyde, who died young and left Charlotte with a son named John, but don’t have the proof. Family search, before they changed their website named all William McCollell and Charlotte Mussen’s children , some of them being Sarah,William, Margaret and Blaney.
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I was once told that Charlotte married a John? Hyde, who died young and left Charlotte with a son named John, but don’t have the proof. Family search, before they changed their website named all William McCollell and Charlotte Mussen’s children , some of them being Sarah,William, Margaret and Blaney.
05-Jun-1799
Dromore Co. Down
John Hyde (belfast) and Charlotte Mussen (Belleny Dromore)
transcribe available on rootsireland.ie
Son John Hyde baptised in 30 march 1800
mother Charlotte Mussen, Father John Hyde
Father recorded as deceased
charlotte hyde marries John McKittrick in 1809
record says "widow" but doesnt say who this is referring to
Rebecca Mussen McKittrick bap. 1817 - to John and Charlotte mcKittrick, in drumbo..
No other children i can find.
If Rebecca is recorded with Mussen im wondering if my Blaney born around early 1810s is Charlottes son.
update
on find my past
Charlotte McKittrick 40 yrs
John " 40 yrs
Elizabeth " 16 yrs
Nancy Jane " 14 yrs
Thomas " 18yrs - recorded elsewhere as 8
Rebecca ? yrs (think it says 7)
John Hyde 20yrs
1827 passenger list to Baltimore on Massasoit And Dumfri And Doris