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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Monmouthshire => Wales => Monmouthshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: hencarrai on Friday 01 June 12 12:42 BST (UK)
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Hello,
I have found a burial record at St Sanaan, Bedwelty, for Elizabeth Plummer 14th April 1879 aged 95.
I think she could be my GGGgran.
However I have failed to find her in 1861 and 1871 censuses. Abode at time of burial is given as Llanhilleth, Mon.
Can anyone help please?
Rob
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1871
RG10/ 5332 f62 p11
Elizabeth Plumber age 85 bn Bedwelty :-\
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Marvelous, thanks very much Rosie.
Doesn't help me much though as she is on her own.
Maybe a death cert informant will help me (one way or the other).
I guess in 1861 she will be among the missing records.
Thanks again,
Rob
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Just come across your posts - I have PLUMMER in my tree - Ann Plummer dob 1826 Bedwelty, married to David Hughes dob 1821 - in 1861 census they live 27, 6Row, River Row Bedwelty. They were the parents of my Grandmother Mary Ann Hughes dob 1864.
I haven't been able to find their marriage up to now, nor birth for Ann. Does any of this tie in with your findings?
Thanks, Gwen
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Hi Gwen,
unfortunately the only Ann Plummer I have was born 1841.
That's a shame, it would have been great to find a new 'cousin'
Best wishes,
Rob
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Hi Rob
Thanks for the reply - I am beginning to think that maybe the marriage of Ann Plummer and David Hughes was a second marriage (they were 40'ish when my Grandmother was born) so maybe Ann was married to a Plummer previously and that wasn't her maiden name.............there can't have been all that many Plummers living in Bedwelty?
best wishes Gwen
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Just one more thing Rob - my Grandmother, was living in Llangeinor, Glam as a visitor when the 1901 census was taken. She was in the household of Edmund PLUMMER, along with his wife Mary, daughters Mary and Susan. I presume they must be part of her mother, Ann's, family.
Just wondered if they are part of your Plummer family?
best wishes Gwen
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Hi Rob
I have found an Elizabeth Plum(B)er dob 1786 in Bedwelty (85 years) in the 1871 census - details as follow:
Address - CEFNCRIB, TREVETHIN, Pontypool, Mon.
She is living with the JONES family.
Piece 5332 - Folio 62 - Page 11 - Registration District Pontypool - Civil Parish Trevethin.
Hope she's the one you are looking for!!
best wishes Gwen
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Hi Gwen,
thanks for that. Yes I think that's her.
I think she's living on her own though, between two Jones families.
Happy hunting,
Rob
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Hi Rob
Going back through posts, I found one from you about Bulthy Garw Isat, Sirhowy, Bedwelty?? My Edmund Plummer (see previous posts) was born there 5th Feb 1851 - his father William Plummer and his mother Ann Plummer, formerly Williams.
Does that fit in anywhere with you?
best wishes Gwen
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Hello Gwen,
I have a William 1818-1857 & Ann Plummer around that time, but I don't have an Edmund anywhere.
My Wm & Ann offsprings were: Hannah 1853, Thomas 1851, Mary 1849, William 1848, Margaret 1846, Ann 1844.
I have Ann maiden name as Hoskins 1815-1898.
Best wishes,
Rob
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Hi Rob
I am still trying to link an Ann Plummer to my David Hughes. I think that my Ann (Williams) married William Daniel Plummer in 1849 (abergavenney) so going down the lane that William died and she was left a widow, I have found and bought the death certificate for William Plummer 1857. I was hoping to be able to confirm the name of his next of kin as Ann, however, this William was killed by an explosion of fire-damp in the mine so the informant is the deputy coroner. Since I see that your William died in 1857, I wondered if I'm going down a dead end. Do you know if he 'belongs' to you?
Do you also know about the Plummer terrier?
best wishes Gwen
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Whoops, just noticed that your William was dob 1818 and this one is 1829.
Gwen
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Hello Gwen,
maybe I have picked up the wrong Death for my William then, I'll have to check again..
Here are what I believe to be my Plummers.
1841: HO107/750/7/5/2
1851:HO107/2449/13/18
and William in 1851 after marriage to Ann Hopkins in 1843.
1851: HO107/2447/259/9
These show 'my' William as born 1818 so he'd be 39 in 1857.
His sister Rhoda is my Greatgran.
Best wishes,
Rob
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Hi Rob
maybe this one is your William -
William Plumber - death 29th October 1857 age 40, from St. Sannan's parish records
or from BMD - Wm Plumber - Bedwelty OND 1857 - 11A.71. Same person.
I had already checked as I was hoping (in vain as it turned out) that the widow Ann Plumber (Hopkins) could be the one who married David Hughes my GGrandad but I found Anne Plummer (widow) in 1861 census and she is a baker in Bedwelty, so my hopes are dashed again ;-)
best wishes Gwen
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For "garaboto":
The following record could be your link,where the implication is that Edmund(of 1901 census) is the son of Ann Plumber(married,but no husband present),here given as born 1824 Sirhowy
1851 2448 824 14
I cannot find a marriage record to David Hughes-did you get the name from Mary Ann Hughes' birth certificate i.e. "mother,formerly Plumber" or similar?
It would confirm,anyway,your thoughts on a previous marriage
This should of course also mean that Edmund is not the son of William and Ann who co-exist at:-
1851 2447 259 4
Regards
Roger
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Hi Roger
Thanks for taking the time to check for me.
Yes, I have the 1851 census with Ann + Edmund + John at her mother's house. I also think it possible that her husband William died in 1857.
I haven't found a marriage to David Hughes yet either. Yes, on Mary-Ann's birth certificate (1864) her father is David Hughes and her mother Ann Hughes, formerly Plummer.
I also have the birth certificate for Edmund Plummer born February 1851 - father William Plummer and mother Ann Plummer formerly Williams, so no doubt there. The fact that William is not on the 1851 census with Ann - I am thinking that maybe she went to her mother's house to have her baby as Edmund is only 1 month old
I think there are two branches of the larger Plummer family going here, one of them is Rob's and the other mine and the same first-names crop up which lead to confusion.
best wishes Gwen
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Can you confirm which address is given for Edmund's birth?If it is the Aberystruth address,this presumably means that William is the son of Mary Edmunds and that the Ann Plumber with her might still become the wife of David Hughes(age match),but she is not the mother of Edmund,but an aunt(as Edmund is only defined in terms of relationship to Mary Edmunds)
This may of course be what you have been saying all along!
Regards
Roger
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Edmund is born in Sirhowy, Bedwelty.
On the 1851 census the address is Scybor Wen (Mary Ann is born here too in 1864)- we find Mary Edmunds, head, widow - Ann Plumber, daughter, married - Edmund Plumber, Grandson - John Plumber, Grandson + a lodger. So from that I deduct that Mary Edmunds is the mother of Ann and Grandmother of Edmund and John.
Gwen