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General => Armed Forces => Topic started by: carolmc on Thursday 14 June 12 20:42 BST (UK)
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Hi
I think the 172nd was part of the Royal Field Artillery, but I don't understand how it all worked. I have searched the internet and found nothing. I have a soldier Frederick Charles Crocker and can see his attestation papers via Ancestery, then everything is a mystery. I can't find where the regiment went during or after ww1. fred died in 1940 unmarried.
I also have a photo, no name or date, but taken at a studio in Hong Kong, I believe it to be Frederick, but without knowing where he went during or after ww1 , I'm stuck. he was a gunner.
Does anyone know anything about the 172nd West Ham Regiment and was it part of the Royal Field Artillery.
Any help really appreciated Carolmc
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Hi
It sounds as though its 172nd Brigade Royal Field Artillery.
It was disbanded and reorganised in WW1.
172 Brigade, RFA was broken up between 13 and 31 January 1917
Ady
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Your best source is the 'Long, long trail' website (sorry I cannot give the link). On a quick look it seems that CLXXII Brigade was East Ham, and CLXXIII was West Ham. Both were raised in early 1915 as part of the New Army.
If you browse that site, following options for Regiments, Royal Field Artillery, then brigades of the RFA, you will find the Divisions they served in . Then you can look for the section on divisions which should give some idea of locations.
The Royal Artillery was the regiment in WW1, the units within it were then called brigades.
A
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Ref his records he initially served in A Battery I have some more info:
If you go "backwards" instead of forwards you will see the records dont initially start at the front.There is a page of his postings ill crop it and put on here for you.
Typical Ancestry indexing! :)
Went to C Battery 77th Brigade RFA on re-org
Ady
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Cropped this so just the info you need is available. :)
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Hi
Thanks for all the help. I've looked at The Long Long Trail, it's an amazing site with so much info. and far more clearer to understand than anything else I've seen. I'll be able to do so much more now and take another look at other ww1 soldiers in my tree.
regards carolmc
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My family tree has a Frederick Charles Crocker, He was from the Lambeth area I believe. According to my records he joined up in 1915 although his service number is different from the one that mmm45 posted
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Hi Wasp, I am 100% of my fred ch crocker on Crocker Tree Ancestry, is your Fred Ch Crocker on Ancestry? Does he match mine? Are George Crocker and Ann Sampson his parents? Any info you have might be useful? Does the photo mean anything to you? regrds carolmc
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The photo is post war and L/21298 Gunner F C Crocker (the record shown above) was discharged in 1919 so if the photo is him, he must have re-joined at some time, he certainly didn't serve in Hong Kong in the Great War. He lived in at 9 Clare Road Forest Gate when he joined in 1915 and was there in 1921 when his medals were sent to him. His age in 1915 was given as 33.
Does this fit either?
The Wasp - What was the service number you have?
MaxD
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Hi Carolmc, MaxD. Hopefully I have an attachment for you both, giving the information you need.
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In answer to your question I don;t think it is the same Charles Crocker, born 6 feb 1879, Baptism 27 Nov1881. Married 15th Oct 1902 Lambeth, St James the Apostle, to Emily Lavania Webb. Birth of daughter Aug 03, Emily Lavinia Crocker. Birth of Son, Oct 05, Frederick Charles Crocker. Birth of Son, Dec 07, Leslie Crocker. Resided at 3 Jelf Road, Brixton in 1915. FC junior served in the 88th Heavy Anti Aircraft Regiment, RA as Battery Quarter Master Serjeant Army No:- 762836 & 191123 until his death in 1942. He was promoted to Lieutenant on 22 May 1941 and is Gazetted on 17th June 1941. He is remembered on the CWGC site.
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Clearly two different men from the career and personal details.
MaxD
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Hi everyone, Clare Road is the factor that ties the family together, I agree all the facts, however the photo remains a mystery...................Thank you for trying, regards carolmc