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I'd really appreciate a look up on the following person please :)
AUGUSTUS BRIMMELL
All I know is that he was born around 1836-1838 in Ledbury. Unfortunately I can't find him on IGI as I'm desperate to know his parents names.
I am waiting for his marriage cert at the moment, so that will tell me his fathers name but I'd love somebody to find him on either (or both!) census', I have him 1861 onwards.
A lady on another site tried to find him on 1851 and did find him on the 1851 census index but couldn't find him on the census itself as her copy is faded in parts.
She found the following:
Augusta Smith BRIMMELL - 15 - Ledbury -( 1975 - 201a)
Any help at all would be fab!!!
Thanks very much
Helen x
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Hello Helen, :)
I see what you mean! the Ledbury 1851 Census page 201 is of very poor quality - I only managed to make out his name as I knew what I was looking for, :-\ it only revealed that he was in service and not with the rest of his family, I did manage to find this Brimmell family though, on page 206a which looks very likely to be his -
1851
Wellington Heath, Ledbury
John S Brimmell 45 Head M Keeper Herefordshire, Ledbury
Maria S '' 44 Wife M '' ''
John S '' 23 Son Un Ag. Lab '' ''
Esther S '' 11 Daur '' ''
Harriet S '' 8 Daur '' ''
William S '' 6 Son '' ''
Sidney S '' 3 Son '' ''
Samuel S '' 9m Son '' ''
Also, page 200a, -
Mary S Brimmell 18 Servant Herefordshire, Ledbury
I'll check on the 1841 Census and see if I can get them all together. It might take a little while though, as Ledbury covers quite a few pages.
All the best
Sue :)
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Sue,
Thanks so much for looking :)
I believe that John and Maria are connected to Augustus somehow but still trying to work it out! I've come across them before on later census'.
Re Augustus being in service, do you mean he's a servant, sorry if I'm being thick!
I'd really appreciate the look up in 1841 - there's no rush, but I can't wait either - fingers crossed!!
Best Regards
Helen x
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Hello again,
Wasn,t that difficult after all - they weren't that far in
1841
Homend Street, Ledbury
John Brimall 35 born in county - yes (no occupation given)
Maria Brimall 35 yes
John Brimall 13 yes
Mary Brimall 11 yes
Augusta Brimall 7 yes
Hester Brimall 1-6m yes
(HO107/ 425/ 1/ p.19&20)
I think that clears up the relationship between them :D and yes, Augustus is described as "Servant" in 1851, one of 4 others. I can't make out the names of the others in the household though, sorry.
Sue ;)
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Hi Sue,
You're a star! ;D ;D ;D
I'm REALLY confused though now!
As I couldn't find a baptism on IGI for Augustus Brimmell, as the other lady on another site found him on the index as Augustus Smith Brimmell, I looked again on IGI.
I found an entry for an Augustus Brimmell in 1835, son of John and Maria Smith! I can't get my head around it.......John Brimmell, and even Maria and all the children have the middle initial 'S' which makes me think they all stand for 'Smith'
I've also found a baptism on IGI for Esther Smith, again daughter of John and Maria Smith!!!
Hope I'm making sense!
I just can't figure out what it's all about. Any ideas??
I'll post this on query on the help board if not as I know this is just a board for lookups!
Thanks again Sue, I really appreciate your time and help.
Best Regards
Helen x
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Hi Sue,
I think I've worked it out. Phew!!
I've looked for a baptism for John Smith and found one in 1806, Ledbury.
'John Brimmer Smith'
Son of Elizabeth Smith.
I'm guessing that Brimmer has been transcribed incorrect and should be Brimmell. John was obviously illegitimate. All his childrens baptisms would have to be in the name of 'Smith' as that is his name but he obviously chose to call himself 'Brimmell' after his father's name.
Again I hope I'm making sense and I also hope I'm right with my hinch!
Helen x
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Hello Helen,
I think you could be on the right lines there, you need a very open-mind when viewing these records ::)
Good luck with it. I hope you find all your answers.
Sue :)
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Hi Sue,
Thanks again for all your help ;D
I'm off to bed now, I'm one happy bunny!
Helen x
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Helen,
Did you find this on the IGI?
John Bremell abt. 1872
of Ledbury, Donnington
spouse - Elizabeth Smith
married - 11th June 1807
Ledbury, Donnington
It looks as though his parents married after he was born, hence the double-barrelled name. :)
Goodnight, sleep well
Sue ;)
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Woohooo!!!!!
Sue, What can I say? No, I hadn't found that on IGI.
Thanks a million!!!!
I'm definitely off to bed now.
Helen x (beaming like a cheshire cat)
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Helen & Sue
I wonder if you could help me!!
I'm currently trying to trace my fathers family tree and have noticed you have Augustus Brimmell in your e-mails to each other.
According to an aunty of mine, Augustus Brimmell born circa 1836 in Wellington Heath, Ledbury is my Great Great Great Grandfather (I think thats enough greats)
He had 8 children i believe, which down the line a few generations led to me!
Do you think this might be the same person, I think he married someone called Hannah??
Many Thanks
Tracey
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Hi Tracey,
Nice to hear from you :)
I'll send you a PM in a sec
Helen x
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Hi Tracey,
I just wondered if you'd read your personal message that I've sent?
Helen
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Hi Sue,
I think I've worked it out. Phew!!
I've looked for a baptism for John Smith and found one in 1806, Ledbury.
'John Brimmer Smith'
Son of Elizabeth Smith.
I'm guessing that Brimmer has been transcribed incorrect and should be Brimmell. John was obviously illegitimate. All his childrens baptisms would have to be in the name of 'Smith' as that is his name but he obviously chose to call himself 'Brimmell' after his father's name.
Again I hope I'm making sense and I also hope I'm right with my hinch!
Helen x
Hi Helen
Could you share details of that baptism? I've tried finding it on Ancestry and can't but he is my direct ancestor. I had figured that he was born before their marriage but couldn't find any records.
Also, in relation to your earlier question on Augustus - I also can't work it out. The records that you and Sue have referred to actually seem to relate to Augusta - a female, not Augustus. If you check both the 1841 and 1851 census, the age is recorded for Augusta in the female column.
And I can't find any subsequent records for a male or female. Have you been able to resolve it since your initial posts?