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I'm looking for information on Grace Starkie b.abt. 1806 Yorkshire. She married Stephen Myers 8th June 1840 Barnoldswick. 1841 She is listed with Stephen and his children by a previous marriage ( not yet found ) The marriage cert says she was spinster and her father's name Mark .I have found no trace of Mark or a birth for Grace. Listed 1841 also is Margaret Starkie b.1829. I doubt if she was a sister to Grace. She could be an illegitimate child, or was Grace lying, covering a previous marriage ? Any ideas ? Roy
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Hi
Do you have access to Ancestry.co.uk?
There is a tree on there for this family.
It gives Grace's parents as
Henry Starkie 27th August b1786 Padiham Lancashire and
Ann Hirst b1786
marriage 17th February 1806 Padiham Lancashire.
It gives Stephen Myers first marriage as
Ellen Holdsworth on 2 March 1829 Barnoldswick.
Of course, you will need to check all this but it is a starting point for you.
Heather
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Hi Aussie Roy,
The information Heather has given you from the tree on Ancestry has possibly been obtained from the Family Search site.
The marriage of a Stephen Myers to Ellen Houldsworth in March 1829 - Barnoldswick is shown on there. In addition the birth of William Miers -- father Stephen Miers and mother Ellin -- in November that same year is also on there -- in Barnoldswick -- but no marriage to Grace.
In 1841, on the same page of the census as Grace and Stephen -- is a Wilkinson Starkey with a rounded down age of 15 years.
He is also on Family Search with parents another Wilkinson and Betty. Hence there does seem to be a clutch of Starkies (or variants) in Barnoldswick.( A Grace Starkie was also registered at the Baptist Chapel in Barnoldswick in 1821 -- parents John and Sarah Starkie).
Just in case you don't know this -- Barnoldswick is on the county border between Lancashire and Yorkshire -- familiarly known as Barlick!
I know this doesn't find what you are looking for -- but may nevertheless come into the picture at some point.
Regards June
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Hi
I havn't found Grace's baptism but what I can say is Barnoldswick was part of Yorkshire on the boundary in these years
This nonconformist register says Yorkshire
National Archives Reference RG4/3930
Register of Births and Baptisms at Bridge Baptist Chapel in Barnoldswick, Yorkshire from 1785 to 1837,
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Use this website
Put just Starkie in the search engine.
http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html
Baptisms: 17 May 1807 St Leonard, Padiham, Lancashire, England
Grace Starkie - Daughter of Henry Starkie & Ann
Born: 3 Nov
Abode: Padiham
Occupation: Weaver
Register: Baptisms 1791 - 1821 from the Bishop's Transcripts, Entry 56
Alternatively
Go to any Library and use their free access library edition of Ancestry.com as they have most of the Yorkshire Parish Registers indexed in their search engine
Nonconformist
http://www.bmdregisters.co.uk/
National Burials
http://www.findmypast.co.uk/content/search-menu/life-events-bmds
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In 1851 the family are stilll in Barnoldswick - and the eldest daughter born to Grace and Stephen is named 'Ann' - which may indicate that Grace's mother was called Ann (as in the Padiham baptism for a Grace).
In addition a son has been named 'Mark' -- and there is a 27 year old Mark Starkey living next door! How curious in view of Grace saying her father was named Mark. You would think a Mark would come into her lineage somewhere.
This merely an observation and of no help whatsoever!!
June
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In 1851 the family are stilll in Barnoldswick - and the eldest daughter born to Grace and Stephen is named 'Ann' - which may indicate that Grace's mother was called Ann (as in the Padiham baptism for a Grace).
In addition a son has been named 'Mark' -- and there is a 27 year old Mark Starkey living next door! How curious in view of Grace saying her father was named Mark. You would think a Mark would come into her lineage somewhere.
This merely an observation and of no help whatsoever!!
June
I think it Helps ::)
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Thank you all. I made a mistake. I did have Stephen's 1st marriage. I did look at Henry Starkie a few years ago and rejected him because it didn't match the marriage certificate or where Grace said she was born. (unless Padiham was Yorks back then ). Stephen also had a brother Mark. With the records available on ancestry today , i.e. Grace's baptism I have now accepted that it is she. Margaret still not accounted for. Thanks again, now to track down Henry & Ann
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Hi again Aussie Roy,
Although Padiham is in Lancashire -- it's not that far away from Barnoldswick ( which is classed as Yorkshire). Strangely my gt gt grandmother migrated the other way!!
It may be that the Starkey family moved to Barnoldswick when Grace was very young -- so she just THOUGHT she was born there. Incidentally Henry and Ann Starkey appear to have had a son Henry - also born in Padiham. Those were the only 2 children I could see born in Padiham to that couple.
Good Luck with your research.
Regards June
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The physical Yorkshire /Lancashire boundary as separate counties and the Church borders were different!! see Richmond map Cheshire of York
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diocese_of_Chester
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diocese_of_York
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Starkeys ;D My favourite subject.
The Grace Starkie of Padiham looks to have married a James Pollard at Padiham in 1826 so I think that you can rule her out.
Unfortunately the IGI have one of their annoying gaps in the Barnoldswick records 1777 to 1812 but the Society of Genealogists have a typed transcript with index which covers 1537 to 1837.
Other than that maybe somebody in the Barnoldswick area could do a look up for you and since the registers are deposited at the Lancashire Records office maybe you could contact them or ask on the Rootschat Lancashire board for a lookup as well.
The Starkeys do go back earlier in Barnoldswick and they did migrate from the Padiham area before that so if you can find Mark Starkey's family don't be surprised if that is where the trail leads you.
Stu
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Hi Stu (is the 'sstarr' short for Super Star!!)
That's a really helpful piece of information about the gap in the Barnoldswick records - I hadn't realised that, or even thought to check.
There is a Mark Starkie born about 1806 in Barnoldswick on the census records - who could be Grace's brother I suppose. If someone has the Barnoldswick records, or could do a look up for Aussie Roy - that would solve the problem.
There is a website
http://www.oneguyfrombarlick.co.uk/
This is all about Barnoldswick - and it has a Forum. At one time there was a chap named Ken on that Forum who volunteered to do look ups of parish records. Whether he is still on there I don't know -- but it may be worth while, Aussie Roy -- for you to join that Forum and ask if anyone can help with baptisms in the early 1800s.
June
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Thanks Stu and June. I thought it was solved. haha. The guy from Barlick is/was Ken Ransome whom I contacted years ago about Myers in 1900's. He used to be on ' curious fox ' I'll check see if still there. Roy
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Just found this address on google maps
"Yorkshire Dales Flyfishing Ltd
19 West Field Road, Barnoldswick, North Yorkshire BB18 5LD"
So the Barnoldswick Parish register maybe be held at Northallerton Archives North Yorkshire or Manchester archives.
Manchester, Colne , Skipton or Leeds libraries may have copies on micro film of the register and are cheaper to do searches, also may do free half hour look ups. SAE sent for a copy after contacting them is about £1 ( 3 aussy dollars)
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Hi ALL
Grace Starkie born in 1805 in Barnoldswick is the daughter of Mark Starkie (b 1769 in Salterforth to 1823 death). His wife is Elizabeth Edmondson (1776 to 1836). Mark is the son of William Starkie and Grace Nelson (marriage 04 Oct 1764 at St Mary-Le-Gill, Barnoldswick). Grace marries Stephen Myers on 08 Jun 1840 at St Mary-Le-Gill, Barnoldswick.....Stephen's second marriage. Grace's eldest daughter IS Margaret Starkie although the reputed father is James Edmondson (according to her birth entry). Ann (the second daughter) is to Stephen and Grace. I have more but hope that this helps! :)