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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Down => Topic started by: Elwyn Soutter on Thursday 26 July 12 18:41 BST (UK)
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I have found a baptism in 1790, in the parish of Magheralin, Co Down. The townland looks to be “Banagh”, but I cannot find any such townland on the usual sites. Does anyone know whether this is an obsolete name, and if so, what the townland is called now?
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Hi
could it be Benagh? in Newry Co Down?
jim
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Jim,
Well I suppose it could be. But that's in the parish of Newry which is several parishes away from Magheralin. There is a detached portion of Newry but even it is not that close. Don't know. Thanks for the suggestion anyway.
Elwyn
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Townlands sometimes straddle parish boundaries ...
... so, look nearby ...
Banoge in Donaghcloney
http://applications.proni.gov.uk/geogindx/parishes/par098.htm
However, this sits just NW of the town of Donaghcloney, not near the edge of the parish.
http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=placeSearch
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Banagh seems to have been an old name for Benagh in Kilkeel, but this is at the opposite end of Co. Down.
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rosdavies/PLACENAMES/BanBy.htm
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I vote for Banoge, Donaghcloney.
First of all, have a look at the Vestry Book reference in this link:
http://www.placenamesni.org/resultsdetail.phtml?entry=11309
Then I had a quick scan through the Belfast Newsletter - there are far too many references to include here, suffice to provide a few examples:
- quite a few obits in the 1700s - 1800s referring to someone having died, in Banagh near Waringstown or Banagh, Lurgan
- someone in 1869 advertising for a wet nurse, for a residence in Banagh, Donaghcloney, Waringstown
- an auction at Banagh Mills in 1836, described as Banagh near Waringstown
- a story in 1884 about a man living in Donacloney near Lurgan who was found dead at the Banagh Schoolhouse - it describes that he did some shopping in Lurgan then left, passed through Waringstown, then set off for home, thereafter he was found dead, probably from exposure (it was winter).
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The 2 parishes are adjacent so I am sure Banoge is the answer. Many thanks.
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here's Banoge on the 1st Ed. OSI maps - right on the parish border (in Green)..
Banoge townland, Donaghcloney (http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,712123,854579,5,7)
S.
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Thanks. Shane.
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Elwyn,
Perhaps the parish of Donaghcloney was "spawned" out of the parish of Magheralin at some stage, as populations varied.
[c.f. Blaris-->Derriaghy & Ahoghill-->Portglenone]
Changes happened particularly in the early 1800s following the Union, and later on following the religious revival of 1859 (?).
[The civil parishes originally matched the ecclestiastical parishes, but then both were tweaked as local demands dictated.]
The answer might lie in the OS Memoirs for the area.
Capt. Jock
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Capt Jock,
Yes I wondered about that myself, though both parishes seem to have been in existence at that time (1790). Perhaps the parish boundary was changed at some time. Another possible explanation, and one I have come across several times myself, is that Donaghcloney parish church was temporarily closed eg repairs, and so the nearest adjacent parish church was used instead.
With Banoge being right on the border with Magheralin, as Shane helpfully pointed out, I am pretty certain I have the answer to my puzzle.
Elwyn
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there's a mention in Lewis 1837 of Tithes for 4 Donaghcloney townlands being paid to Magheralin parish ... might be related to earlier boundary changes..
see : Magheralin parish (http://www.libraryireland.com/topog/M/Magheralin-Lower-Iveagh-Down.php)
S.
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I know this is an old post, but am researching two families (McAfee and O'Neil). Henry McAfee and Eliza O'Neil both indicate they are from Banoge when they marry in Donaghcloney in 1845. Wonder if either of these names are of interest.
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Marriage record in 1845 indicates that the Presbyterian minister Jas Moorhead wrote Banagh as their residence at time of marriage.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1845/09296/5365255.pdf
The link in Gaffy’s reply #4 no longer works…..here’s an updated one for Banoge!
http://www.placenamesni.org/resultdetails.php?entry=11309
Banoge townland in the Civil Parish of Donaghcloney.
https://www.townlands.ie/down/iveagh-lower-upper-half/donaghcloney/waringstown/banoge/
KG