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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: pokerlynne on Wednesday 01 August 12 16:29 BST (UK)
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Hi
I am looking for some help please, my Grandfather is Roger Rourke 1882 Grandmother Emma Partington 1891,
My Great Grandfather is James Rourke 1858 Great grandmother is Elizabeth Sykes 1858, James Rourke died 1885, i have Roger Rourkes Birth Cert 17th March 1882 so i know James Rourke and Elizabeth Sykes is correct i also have James Rourke and Elizabeth Sykes Wedding Cert 1st Sept 1877
James is a Labourer 38 Jersey Street Ancoats, Edward Rourke ( Bricksetters Labourer i think it say's) it lists him as deceased
i am trying to search Edward Rourke i can't find him on any Census.
CAN ANYONE HELP ME PLEASE.
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Hi there,
In 1861 the family are transcribed as Roak, I think. They are in Manchester and Edward' 'Roak' is 35 years old, born Ireland.
RG9/2936/15/23
Regards June
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there is a marriage in 1855 in Manchester between an Edward Rourke and a Catharine Connor.
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He is definately just James Rourke... only there is also a (1858) James Edward Rourke in Manchester to parents Edward Rourke & Ellen. Edward is aged 40, a weaver, Ellen is aged 25 also a weaver and they were both born in Ireland. The family are lodging at 3 Milk Street, Manchester. 1861 census ref RG9/2953/F84
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Oh .. found another family that may fit :-\
1861 census ref RG9/3052/F88 lodging at King Street, Newchurch, Haslingden, Lancashire
Edward Rourke 24. b. Ireland Labourer
Catherine Rourke. 27. b. Ireland Cotton Spinner
Jane Rourke. 7. b. Ireland
James Rourke 3. b. Ireland
This is quite a way from Manchester so maybe not.. however it may also be the Edward & Catherine Connor that gortonboy found :-\
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Thanks everyone for your replies.
Captain 2 i have already checked out James Edward 3 Milk St, it's not him i have nothing to confirm Edward as a middle name.
i am going to check out June And Gorton boy info, I know they lived in Ancoats from my Grandfather back, all worked in the Building Trade, and they came from Ireland.
Thanks Again Lynne.
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I am not sure now about the 'Roak' family I suggested in 1861 -- I suspect that family are shown as Rook in 1871. So that may just be their name. My apologies if I have sent you down the wrong path -- I will look at it again.
June
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I have looked for children's births for the Roak/Rook family --- viz Catherine born about 1860 and Patrick born about 1863. There are no births for children by that christian name with a surname Roak or Rook -- but there are children born by the surname of Rourke.
I am happy for that family to be 'thrown back in the melting pot' now, for possible consideration - along with the other suggestions.
June
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Thanks June.
I think i will look for Edward Rourke's that have died between 1858 and 1877
James his son was born 1858/59 and it say's deceased on James's Marriage cert in 1877, i might get lucky with a connection.
Thanks Lynne.
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Hi Lynne,
There is one who died in Manchester Dist Q/E Jun 1875 -- with a birth year of c 1829, who may fit the bill. The Edward I found didn't know how old he was on the 2 census records! (mind you it takes me all my time to remember how old I am!)
June
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Thanks June
I have found another Edward Rourke born 1837 wife Catherine 1834 Daughter Jane 1854 Son James 1858
all born Ireland on 1861 Census King Street, Newchurch, Haslingden, Lancashire
Catherine the Mother is Niece to Head of Household they are all Lodgers, might be them.
Trouble is there are so many Rourke's with the same name, i got told last years there are 3 families of Rourke's in Ancoats
i can't seem to find them in any Census after 1861.
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Hi Lynne,
There is one who died in Manchester Dist Q/E Jun 1875 -- with a birth year of c 1829, who may fit the bill. The Edward I found didn't know how old he was on the 2 census records! (mind you it takes me all my time to remember how old I am!)
June
This Edward Rourke seems to be buried at Philips Park Cemetery in a public grave in the RC section. He was buried 28 June 1875
http://www.burialrecords.manchester.gov.uk/
You can buy credits to view the register. It will give you an address where he died but that's all.
I have looked for children's births for the Roak/Rook family --- viz Catherine born about 1860 and Patrick born about 1863. There are no births for children by that christian name with a surname Roak or Rook -- but there are children born by the surname of Rourke.
Have a look on the MLFHS Catholic Register index; there are baptisms for a Catherine Rourke, 1859 and a Patrick Rourke, 1863 at St Anne's Ancoats, father Edward. these might be the 'Roak' children? Nothing for James or the older child Margaret in that family unfortunately, so still not conclusively your James' family.
http://www.mlfhs.org.uk/data/catholic_search.php
Even so, I would agree with Gortonboy and June that the 1861 Roaks are a good bet.
:) Barbara
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The Edward Rourke that died in 1875, death was registered in the Ancoats area according to Lancs BMDs
They also have a James Rourke born Ancoats 1858.
http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/index.php
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Lynne, the family who were Roak in 1861 and Rook in 1871 -- are in Ancoats in 1881 --- Catherine the mother is a widow -- so that particular Edward has died.
This time they have been transcribed as Rourke -- so they are looking a likely bet.
RG11/3983/116/22
Regards June
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Thanks everyone for your replies, looks like i have a lot of searching to do, i am gonna look at everyone's answer's will get back to you with my results HaHa.
Much appreciated Lynne.
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Hi
How old was James when he married?
Heather
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Hi Heather
James was 19, he married on 1/9/1877 Married in Saint Michael's Chapel,residence at time of marriage 38 Jerset Street Ancoats
he was a Laborer, his Fathers Name Edward Rourke who is Deceased.
Lynne.
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Can someone tell me on the Census Forms 1800's will every person be Listed on them somewhere (maybe spelling of surname different)
or could some people not be listed on them for whatever reason's
i am searching different spelling's of the name Rourke, just wondering if that's a waste of time, don't mind if i know i will find them somewhere.
Thanks Lynne.
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Hi Lynne,
It would be a miracle, quite frankly, if every single person in the country was captured on a census.
The enumerators did a great job as it is - going from house to house, often having to fill in the household return for the many people who couldn't read or write. In the towns particularly, many families shared a house - and a cellar! Often they rented just one room. It would be incredibly difficult for an enumerator to know whether he had accounted for everyone in a particular building.
In addition people did move about -- they could arrive to live in a different house AFTER an enumerator had 'done' that area - and BEFORE another one had covered the area they had left. Thereby being missed altogether.
People from the south moved to the north for work -- travelling by canal -- whilst returns were supposed to be done in these cases - I suspect many were not.
So to answer your question -- you will not necessarily find an ancestor on a census -- but in the vast majority of cases you will.
With a name like 'Rourke' you will probably find many mis-spellings or mis-transcriptions. To search on a census it is often easier to search on the christian name of a child only, with an approx birth year -- and insert a father or mother's christian name in the appropriate field.
You can also use a wild card -- ie an asterisk* - after the first 3 letters --- or at the beginning of a name, and input the last 3 letters. However, with 'Rourke' -- you cannot guarantee just where a mis-spelling may occur, so a wild card may not work.
You can also try a birthplace search -- but Manchester was a big place so that may not be practical. Other people may be able to give you other hints and tips, but I hope this is of some assistance.
Regards June
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Thanks everyone i think i have sorted it out with your help.
Edward Rourke Married Catherine Connor 1855
CENSUS 1861 ROAK CENSUS 1871 ROOK CENSUS 1881 ROURKE
Catherine is a widow in 1881 Census
Edward Rourke Died 1875
James Rourke Married Elizabeth Sykes 1877
1861 Census Margaret Rourke 1857 Found Margaret Rourke Died 1866 age 10 in Manchester.
1871 Census Ben Rourke i can only find one Benjamin Rourke in Manchester Births
Parents Names Peter & Mary Rourke so i think he was a visitor he's not listed in 1881 Census with Catherine.
1881 Census Ellen Rourke 1862 appears she could be a visitor.
I hope now after all your help that this is my Edward Rourke.
Lynne.
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Hi Lynne,
with regard to 'daughter' Ellen in 1881 - she could be a daughter perhaps?
1871 4028/154/ 26
Ellen Rourk 10 yrs niece b Manchester
others in household at 2 Kenyon Court are:
Patrick Connor 70 yr widower b Ireland
Mary Connor 38 yrs daughter b Ireland
Bridget 17 yrs grandaughter b Ireland
John 7 yrs grandson b Manchester
regards
heywood
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Hi Heywood
Thanks for that i checked every other way of spelling Rourke except Rourk, that fits great Connor's would be Catherines Family
Thanks Lynne.