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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Meath => Topic started by: nattai on Sunday 12 August 12 11:16 BST (UK)
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Hi anyone out there who can help re Irish Church records and history
I am trying to find out what happen to the church records of the old Stackallan church in co Meath which was demolished in 1959, and how I could obtain a photo of the church before it was demolished. But mainly what happen to the BDM records of that church.
I am trying to find the death or any records of an Edward Brownell who was married to a Martha ? I think he was an innkeeper ?and the records of their children Martha and Alice, both children Martha and Alice came to Australian in 1841.
I do not know if the BDM records of the Stackallan church are survived, but any information on the above persons would be most appreciated.
Kind regards
Tim
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Records would stay with the parish, or if the area was being incorporated into a neighbouring parish would go there.
was this an RC church ?
Stackallan was part of Slane RC parish, so maybe the church in question was a chapel of ease for the parish. In which case records of events like marriages and baptisms would have been recorded in the registers in the parish church.
Historic records for the parish are available in the National Library of Ireland on microfilm. Baptisms and marriages are included back to 1851. No death/burial records are included in the registers (very few RC parishes recorded these).
Shane
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Hi Shanew147
No the church was not RC, the information I have is that it states in the Lewis's Topographical Dictionary of Ireland dated 1837 it stated for Stackallan "The church is a neat plain edifice in good and permanent repair built some 200 years ago "
It also said that when the church was demolished in 1959 the doorway stone stemps and Barnewall arms were taken and preserved at St Patricks church of Ireland.
Kind regards
Tim
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If the church in question was Church of Ireland - then the Civil and CofI parish for the area is also named Stackallen. Historic records are held by the Representative Church Body Library in Rathfarnham in Co. Dublin, but dont go back very far ... Baptisms from 1885, marriages from 1845, and death/burials from 1886. All these dates would be covered in civil records.
Shane
p.s. the description in Lewis relates to the established Church - i.e. CofI
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Hi Shane
Many thanks for the inofrmaion its a shame that the church records dot go that far back, I wonder what happen to them all ??
Also you you have an idea of where I might be able to obtain a photo of the old church before it was demolished in 1959 ?
I also forgot to say the items went to the St Patricks church in Slane... do you know if that is C I.
Kind regards
Tim
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Some registers were lost or damaged over time, but the main cause of loss for Church of Ireland registers was the Civil War. Many of the registers had been sent to the Public Records Office, which was the scene of a battle resulting in the destruction of many of the items held.
The church is shown on the historic OSI maps. This one is c1890 - link (http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,691120,772714,7,9)
Click on the 'Historic 6"' to see a c1835 version of the map, and 'Street Map (Beta)' for a modern map showing the ruins.
There were two St.Patrick's churches in Slane - one RC the other CofI
Shane
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re a photo - I've had a quick search online, which I presume you've already tried, and not seen anything promising. Maybe old books on the area might have a photo or engraving..
I had a quick look in Pigots 1824 and Slaters 1846 to see if there were any sign of any Brownells as innkeepers or otherwise - but nothing in Drogheda or Navan, which the two nearest towns covered by these.
Shane
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Hi Shane
Once again thank you so much for the information, I am trying to get into the map site you attached but my computer is slow, so thought I would ask is there an Historical society that includes Stackallan that might have old photos of the church or would it be best if I contact St Patricks Church of Ireland in slane .... do you know if it is still there ?
Kind regards
Tim
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contact St Patricks Church of Ireland in slane .... do you know if it is still there ?
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Still there and operating as far as I can tell - see : St. Patrick's CofI, Slane (http://www.buildingsofireland.ie/niah/search.jsp?type=record&county=ME®no=14315027)
S.
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Hi Shane
I got to see the map you sent in 1890 of the Stackallan Church, which shows the name of the the church as St Mary's church , is there a way to find out when it became St Marys church ? as when it was demolished it did not give the name of the church.
Kind regards
Kind regards
Tim
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re Historic Societies etc - I dont know of any first hand, but Co. Meath is particularly rich in history back to prehistoric times, but also many ecclesiastical ruins, so I'd say there are a number of groups interested in the area (although maybe not based there). Definitely worth trying a few searches for some of these. Probably more general than just Stackallen - so maybe look for Slane, the Boyne valley or Navan, as well as Co. Meath in general.
I think the church in Slane is a good place to start - if they dont have anything themselves maybe they can put you in contact with the right group or author.
I'll keep an eye out for any images of the church in books etc
S.
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Hi Shane
Thank you so very very much for all your help it is so very much appreciated, If you do find a photo of the Church please let me know.
take care
Tim
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Tim
have you seen this online site Stackallen (http://www.slanetimes.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=59&Itemid=65) which includes details of gravestones for Brownells?
There is a plaque at the doorway from Stackallen Church St. Patrick's Church (http://www.buildingsofireland.ie/niah/search.jsp?type=record&county=ME®no=14315027)
There is also on an online site (http://nltaylor.net/ancestry/16quartiers/q07.htm) that if not yours should be on interest
Description of Church from 1890s
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Account from Stackallen Church 1827 (http://eppi.dippam.ac.uk/documents/10167/eppi_pages/224777)
additional snippet including reference to Brownells in Stackallen
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Hi Myluck
Thank you so very much for the information on Stackallen and the Brownell family, it is very much appreciated. The information helps in my family tree, I dint know if you might come across any photo of the church but if you do ever do could you please let me know.
Kind regards
Tim nattai
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Of course I will keep a look out, however, I have all but ruled out a Meath connection where I thought there was one in our family!
There is a man who was very helpful to me Noel French (http://noelfrench.com/wp/?page_id=24); he is involved with Meath Heritage and has written several histories on the county; he may be able to help further.
Also you may be able to locate a photograph from a 1940s or 1950s wedding!! You would just need to source the family!
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Hi Myluck
Once again thank you so much, I will try the avenues you have suggested
Kind regards
Tim
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BROWNELL – Erected by Anna Maria Brownell in memory of her dearly beloved husband Edward Brownell of Gormanlough who died 24th April 1890 aged 80 years. Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord. And the above Anna Maria Brownell who died 26th Nov 1904.
BROWNELL – In memory of George Brownell of Stackallen who died 15th Jan 1880 aged 67 years.Erected in affectionate remembrance by his sons. Also Wm. Brownell his son died April 4th 1888 aged 37 years. Elizabeth, wife to the above George Brownell,who died 17th Sept. 1902. And their son Jervis Brownell who died 29th Sept. 1935.
BROWNELL - Erected by Jervis Brownell to the memory of his father Thomas Brownell late of Stackallen who died on the 17th of February 1846 in the 64th year of his age.
BROWNELL – In loving memory of Jervis Brownell who died 29th Sept. 1935 and his daughter Sara Lucy Brownell died 9th Oct. 1912. Also his wife Leah Sari who died December 1939. Safe in the Arms of Jesus.
BROWNELL – Erected by Michael Brownell, late Lighter Keeper, to the memory of his beloved wife Jane who departed this life at her residence Stackallen on the 8th Nov. 1876 aged 75 years …
BROWNELL – Here lieth the body of Thomas Brownell who departed this life the 10th January 1774 aged 72 years.