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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Worcestershire => Topic started by: sushi on Wednesday 25 May 05 15:53 BST (UK)
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I am trying to find information about a squire in the cradely heath area whose name was (jeavons) fellowes( mid 1800's?).
Family tales have it that his daughter fell in love with a man called Harris, who wasn't to her fathers liking and was told "dont darken my doorstep again"
That couple were my grandmothers (Amy Rose Harris) parents. I have searched everywhere and can find nothing. Perhaps someone could help further my search??
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Do you have the names/details of this daughter,please.
There is a John Jeavons Fellows in Cradley on 1861 but we need other names to track them down.. Also name of her young man to place him in same place
Tricia
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hello, thanks for answering.
I have no other information, though my cousin tells me the father was James, but his memory is not so good.
I found a marriage record of their daughter Amy Rose to John Frank Charles, in 1900 in St; Lukes at Cradley Heath, but so far I havn't been able to find a copy of the actual cert. that may give the vital information. Any Ideas ?
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The only way to solve this mystery is through Amy Rose Harris - by tracing her ancestry back to her grand parents.
We therefore need to know her birthplace and birth date and parents.
The marriage you referred to is listed on West Midlands BMD and you can order the cert from them. Hopefully this will give both her age and her father and we can get the ball rolling.
The best bet would be to get hold of her birth certificate which would then give her mother's married name and her maiden name which should be Fellowes if your information is correct.
At the moment we just have this:-
Marriage
John F Charles
Amy R Harris
St Luke Cradley Heath
Reference:-
Sandwell 20/3/333
This is the West Midlands reference number to be used if you order the cert from them
Superintendent Registrar
Sandwell Register Office
Highfields
High Street
West Bromwich
West Midlands
B70 8RJ
Payment to Superintendant Registrar - £7 + a stamped self addressed envelope. Cheque to be crossed '& Co'
I have looked for Amy Rose Charles on 1901 but haven't been able to spot her.
I will have another play around because she really should be showing up somewhere. Did she stay in the Cradley area after marriage?
Tricia
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I have found an Amy Harris born 1876 in Cradley. Her father is William and mother Sarah . He is a Horse Nail Maker.
We need to match this up with her father on marriage. If no-one else replies to this request in the meantime send for the cert and then come back.
This is the birth reference. Cradley registers in Stourbridge
HARRIS, Amy Birth Quarter ending March 1876
Stourbridge
6c
195
Keep a note of it until later when we may be able to match it up. May not be her, of course.
Good Luck, Tricia
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There is also
Amy Rose Harris birth Dec qtr 1877 Stourbridge 6c 184
Hard to be sure without the certificates but there is
1891
Rg12-2281/96
73 Cradley Rd,Cradley Heath
Elijah Harris,49,Worcs,Cradley
Emma J Harris,41,Worcs,Netherton
Mary M Harris,21
Ralph H Harris,16
Amy R Harris,13
Edith E Harris,7
And in 1861 there were
RG9-2062/111
Cradley Road,Dudley
John Jeavons Fellows,44,Farmer and victualler
Rosannah Fellows,42
Kesiah (?) J Fellows,18
Elizabeth J Fellows,16
David J Fellows,13
Emma J fellows,11,Worcs,Dudley
William Henry J Fellows,6
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1901
Rg13-2733/122
Station St,Cradley Heath
Elijah Harris,59,Cradley,Worcs
Emma J Harris,51,Old Hill,Staffs
Amy R Charles,23,telephone operator,Stourbridge,Worc
Edith E Harris,18,Barrow in Furnace,Lancs
Rose H Jeavons,moth,wid,83,living on own means,Old Hill,Staffs
Who needs certificates? ;D Nice to see that Mrs Jeavons was not part of the "never darken my door" movement. :)
This may be Elijah in 1861
Rg9-2064/36
Overend,Cradley
Thomas Harris,58,Staffs,Kingswinford
Mary Maria Harris,55,Worcs,Cradley
Arthur Harris,25,Worcs,Cradley
Caroline R Harris,House maid,Worcs,Cradley
Elijah Harris,19,Millman,Worcs,Cradley
And in 1881 Elijah and family were in Barrow in Furness but you should find them at family search. Amy is down as Agnes for some reason ???
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That's it, brilliant! ;) Back full circle to John Jeavons Fellows.
(I nipped off to watch Desperate Housewifes - how sad is that)!
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Bonjour, bonjour,
I nearly cried when I saw how much trouble you had been to on my behalf.
Iv'e been searching for over a year, to no avail, and then in just one night, everything is before me. I can't thank you enough!!
I am going to sit down with a coffee and digest all this information, as I am quite breathless. It's 25°C over here in France, so I am going to sit in the sun.
I hope to be in touch again soon. What a wonderful site Rootschat is. I shall tell everyone about it.
Once more thanks so much,
Sushi
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its me again!
hey! I just noticed William J Fellowes !! I have an old postcard, not dated, no stamp and no indication of it's age ( late 1800's early 1900's, perhaps) sent with an address written in pencil, from British Columbia, showing a photo of him and his two little girls in a field. Now.. how to begin to trace him i wonder...?
and the Amy Rose Charles in the 1901 census, is definately my grandma, as she told me she was a telephone operator, and the telephone exchange was in her front room!! and she would be Charles at that point having married John Frank Charles in 1900. I suppose he isn't mentioned then because he was in the merchant navy and may have been away.
I was also told that the Jeavons Fellowes sold their land off to industry?
regards
Sushi
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Hi again
I forgot to post this link last night.
http://uk-transcriptions.accessgenealogy.com/Worcs..htm
There are several burials for Jeavons Fellows in there, at Cradley Heath and Netherton. Good luck sorting them out ;D
And the 1901 census extracts will interest you. There is a David J Fellows who looks to be Emma's older brother.
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Thanks for the latest link, Gardener, it was very interesting. but so many young deaths !!
Yes, I see David, who was Emma's brother.
He shares a grave with William J (the other person I was searching for, who I thought went to Canada) who died aged 32, and an older sister also, Keziah, who died in 1927.
I am now going to try searching for John Jeavons Fellowes and his wife Rosannah.
thanks again,
Sushi
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Here I go again. A possible marriage
BRAGGER, William 1839 September Marriages Dudley Staffordshire Worcestershire
DAVIES, Sarah 1839 September Marriages Dudley Staffordshire Worcestershire
Fellows, John 1839 September Marriages Dudley Staffordshire Worcestershire
Price, Susannah 1839 September Marriages Dudley Staffordshire Worcestershire
Trowmans, Rosanna 1839 September Marriages Dudley Staffordshire Worcestershire
Quarter ending September 1839
Dudley
18
304
If you can get them on 1851 there may be an earlier child if this is them.
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1872 18 Aug John Jeavons Fellows Cradley Heath 59 Years Died 14th Aug
Hi again
I think this may be John even though his age is a bit off: the 61 census has him born 1816 but this is 1813. Not much in it though and it is the right name and place. And it agrees with his age in 1871 :)
1871 has them at 61 Dudley wood,Netherton
Rg10-3017/138
John Jevon Fellows,57,carter,Dudley Wood,Worcs
Rosannah 52,Dudley Wood
William,17,carpenter,Dudley Wood
1881
Rg11-2862/87
59 Reddall Hill Rd,Rowley Regis
Rosanna Jeavons,head,W,62,late farmers wife,Worcs,Dudley
Rg12-2282/97
59 Reddall hill Rd,Rowley Regis
Rosehanna Fellows,head,widow,73,-,Dudley,Worcs
Rosannah Jeavons Fellows, death aged 85
Dec qtr,19013,Dudley,6c,10
She doesn't seem to be on the transcript for Cradley heath burials but I would expect her to have been buried there so you may need to check that out better.
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Here I go again. A possible marriage
BRAGGER, William 1839 September Marriages Dudley Staffordshire Worcestershire
DAVIES, Sarah 1839 September Marriages Dudley Staffordshire Worcestershire
Fellows, John 1839 September Marriages Dudley Staffordshire Worcestershire
Price, Susannah 1839 September Marriages Dudley Staffordshire Worcestershire
Trowmans, Rosanna 1839 September Marriages Dudley Staffordshire Worcestershire
Quarter ending September 1839
Dudley
18
304
If you can get them on 1851 there may be an earlier child if this is them.
I think you are right with this Tricia, spot on :)
John Jeavons or Fellows and Rosannah Trowmans marriage 16 Sep 1839, St Thomas,Dudley
1851 census
Bowling Green,Dudley 2033/552
John Jeavons,36,colliery labourer,bowling green,worcs
Rosannah,wife,32,New Town,Worcs
Benjamin,son,11,chain maker,New Town,Worcs
Keziah,dau,nurse,New Town,Worcs
Elizabeth,dau5,scholar,Bowling Green,Worcs
Davis,son,2,Bowling Green,Worcs
Emma Jane,dau,8 m,Bowling Green,Worcs
So! John had two names and several jobs by the look of it. Benjamin is bpt as Jeavons at Dudley St Thomas on the IGI
Born 27 Feb 1840, bpt 26 Jul 1841 St Thomas,Dudley, parents John Jeavons and Rosannah.
1861
Rg9-2061/35
Netherton Hill
Benjamin J Fellows,head,21,carter,Netherton,Worcs
Drucilla Fellows,20,Netherton,Worcs
Just so you know, one of my families was at Netherton Hill in '61 :) Makes us almost neighbours :-*
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hey! Gardener and Tricia Q!!
The latest info is amazing, how can I thank you?
Do you think the Trowmans has anything to do with Russia? I was told we had ancestors from that region.
or maybe it's on the Harris side of the family?
are there records existing from before the 1800's to find out the jeavons' John and Rossanahs birth details?
I cant take too much in at once so I'm having a break to digest what you told me, and then watch Coronation St ( and you thought you were sad, Tricia!)
Back soon!!
Sushi
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If you search on www.familysearch.com then you should find a birth for Rosannah at Cradley for parents Benjamin and Ann.
The 1851 has a family at New Town,Dudley which look to fit very well
Benjamin Trowman,63,day labourer,Rowley,Worcs
Ann Trowman,63,Mushroom,Worcs
Ruth Trowman,dau,unm,26,straw bonnet maker,New Town,Worcs
Next door but one, and two, and three (!) are more Trowman families, possibly related. Two of them are Jew's harp makers, and all from Rowley. There is a good site called http://www.rowleyregis.com/
You can go to "Forums" and search for "harp" which brings up some links
If you read either Family history/Tromans or better still Jews Harps there are some posts by Bob who is descended from Jew Harp-making Tromans (spelling varies a lot). I think he would be happy to hear from you and might be able to point you to more information.
I just looked at the surname interest registry for that site and there is someone else interested in Jeavons Fellows and another in Jeavons Fellows AND Tromans ;D ;D
They can't both be you so that is at least one person, maybe two who are probably related to you!!!! If you join the Rowley site you can either post a general message or send a PM to them.Please let us know how this turns out, I am so excited for you ;)
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Hi Sushi,
Don't know if you have seen this but the blackcountry bugle had jews harp making clans not to long ago and there was a trowman's family
http://www.blackcountrybugle.co.uk/
Donna
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thanks Donna for the info about the blackcountry bugle, I wil be following that up.
Sushi
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Back again Gardener,
Whoah! loads more info, thanks so much!!
I went onto the Rowley Regis site and fount the two "seekers" you mentioned, and have left messages, no-one has replied as yet, but I live in hopes! I am going to "do" BOB in a minute!
I also went on to family search and found the marriage of Benjamin Trowman and Ann Trowman, 21 april 1815. I'm stuck now because I don't know what Ann's maiden name was.Is there an earlier census than 1851 or something else I can look on ? I tried family search but it didn't turn anything up. I suppose as she was 63 in 1851, that makes her born about 1788 ish?
I keep getting sidetracked by linking up the brothers and sisters etc.( much to my husbands annoyance as I never stop going on about it!!!
One thing is decided, next time we come over to England, I will be going to the burial grounds to see the family graves!!
wil speak soon,
regards Sushi
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Hi Gardener,
Thanks for that. and guess what? I am intrigued by john J Fellows daughter, Kesiah. I found her marriage details, 23 april 1861 in Clent, and yes you guessed it, she married an Alfred TROMANS!! I dont beleive it!! well I do really.
But I guess she must have married again to someone called Cole, as she is on the burial list for 1927 as Kesiah Cole, sharing the grave of her two brothers, David and Will. Can't find anything on familysearch yet again§
Hey Ho!
Felicitations, Sushi
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Hi Sushi,
I don't know if there is any chance of you picking this up, but if you do it would be great to share some information with you.
Kesiah Jeavons, I have just discovered was my Great Great Grandmother, you mention that you find her intriguing and I wondered what you may know. I'm also trying to find out what the relationship may be with John Jeavons Fellows of the International Rugby Board.
Hope that you do manage to read this,
James
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Hello James,
What a nice surprise to hear from a descendant of the elusive Kesiah. I find her intriging as the last mention I have of her was on the 1861 census aged 18. I have that info on this thread as i'm sure you saw. After that I couldnt get another lead on her, even a death. I thought she must have emigrated. I am in contact with the descendants of Will. Jeavons Fellows in Canada, who have also been trying to trace her but to no avail. Thats all I know. I have a copy of an extensive jeavons fellows family tree, if you havnt already got it and would like a copy, I will try and dig it out for you - it's been quite long time since I looked into this that I'm a bit rusty on the knowledge I gleaned. I dont know aboput any rugby contact, but perhaps he's on the family tree info!
nice to hear from you,
Sushi
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Hi
Ages since I looked at this site, been a bit busy.
I wonder if you know about the following site which has Keziah on?
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tribe/browse?userid=bcconnections&view=0&pid=8845&rand=420846240
If you have any more details to add, or see any mistakes there, then please get in touch with BCC :-)
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hello gardiner - how are you?
That ifo is very interesting - I think I can add a bit to that tree for them. I will investigate!
Many thanks for that
regards, Nita
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Thought I would mention that I have a Jeavons Fellows tree. I am descended from the Fellows side.
Forgot to say I know how the Jeavons Fellows name originated
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Hello, distant relative Pash!!
Who were your ancestors then - I have a family tree somewhere I will look it up to try and find you. I have only looked up the female side of the family - so dont know a lot about the men. I am in touch with decendants of Will J Fellows who emigrated to Canada in 1910. How did the name come about then - I had heard that the jeavons wife had been deserted and so she married again to a Fellows - is this the story you have?
Waiting to hear,
Nita
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Hi Nita
Joseph fellows married Elizabeth Parsons 1787 they had
Mary 1788, Nancy 1790, John 1792 William 1795.
Joseph disappeared story has it he went to sea some say he fought at Trafalga but I can't find him listed anywhere on that site. Anyway after some time Elizabeth got together with John Jeavons and they had children who they called Jeavons Fellows. Some years later Joseph returned noted the situation and left them to it.
John Fellows is my ancestor.
Nita I would give you my E-mail ad but don't know how to do that without it being displayed here.
If you have ideas let me know.
Bye for now
Pat
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Probaly not connected but there is a bunch of "Jeavons" metioned here....
http://www.genealogyforum.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=638
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Thanks for the link I will check it out
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sooshi / pash ,hello. My wife and i have only been onthe net for approx: 6wks.,We have read the chat concerning Jeavons/fellows/tromans. MY wifes grandmother before she married was name jeavons,[ mary ann ]user name polly., she cannot remember how many brothers and sisters she had , but she can recall two brothers and six sisters , one brother was a Tromans .Polly died 1960 surname Taylor. This may be of some interest to you. Antler.