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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Norfolk => England => Norfolk Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Superfly on Thursday 23 August 12 08:30 BST (UK)
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I am doing research on the Fuller family of Heacham Norfolk. Frederick Fuller b Bishop Stortford 1870 m Edith Frances Briggs b Heacham 1871 in 1890 at Heacham. According to the 1911 census they had 9 children and only 4 are living. It seems that there first 5 children all died at birth. I think there names are William Frederick b 1891-d1891, Dorothy May b1892- d1892,Sybil Elizabeth,b1894-d1894,Olive Elizabeth b1897-d1897 and Katherine Elizabeth b1900-d1900 all come under the Docking Registration district but I cannot prove they are the children of Frederick and Edith. So can someone help with the baptisms of these children please.
Regards
Superfly
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Hello..... :)
There are some baptisms and burials on Familysearch which might help.... :-\
Heacham = http://www.rootschat.com/links/0qbt/
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Hello Dizziifish
Thank you for replying. I have searched the link you sent me and found the baptism of William Frederick and also the burials of Dorothy May and Kathleen Elizabeth. Also the burial of Edith Francis in 1915 who could be there mother. I know there are 2 families of Fullers in Heacham but they are not related. so I am not sure the children are Frederick and Ediths. Poor Frederick had another piece of bad news his brother John died in 1893 so it was a bad time for him and his wife.
Regards
Superfly
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I am going to the record office today and will have a look for you.
Jackie
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Hi Jackie
Thank you very much. I look forward to hearing from you soon.
Alan
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Hi Alan,
Well there's bad news and good news!!!! The bad news is there is a baptism for William Frederick and a Cyril Frederick which i will list in a minute but no baptisms at all for the other 4 girls that died ?? or any others? i went from 1881-1911.
I also looked for the marriage in 1890 i did 2 years either side but couldnt find one?
The Good news is there were no other Fuller entries at all so you mentioned there was another family in Heacham but i saw no evidence of this whilst going through the dates i covered on the bapts, Marr and Burials so i feel you can easily say these 4 girls are yours!!! as i could not see anyone else they could belong to especially regarding the dates.
Details i found are :
Baptisms:
Children of Frederick & Edith Frances Fuller of Heacham. Frederick was a Railway Porter.
William Frederick Bapt 24th May 1891 Born 22 May 1891.
Cyril Frederick Bapt 21 Apr 1899 Born 1 Apr 1899 - ( Parents as above but Frederick is now a Railway Signalman )
No Marriages found 1888 - 1883
Burials : I did 1888-1911
Dorothy May Fuller 10 June 1892 aged 1 Month
Sybill Elizabeth 4 Dec 1894 aged 5 weeks
Olive Elizabeth Victoria 29th May 1897 aged 1 month
Kathleen Elizabeth 4 Dec 1900 aged 12 days
Note - I did'nt see any burial for a William Federick?? in 1891
These are the only details for the Fuller Family in Heacham during the dates i covered. Hope this helps in some way.
Jackie
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Hi Jackie
Thank you for your good work. I think this now proves that these children were the children of Frederick and Edith.After looking at the 1911 census this shows up how life was hard at this time - although it happened all the time but we do not see it on the earlier census's. What a strong family they were to lose your first 5 children and then carry on. What I need to do now is obtain the 5 death certificates and see how they died. The strange thing about William Frederick is that in the BMD's he was registered at birth in July - Sept 1891 and his death was registered in April - June 1891. I can only think that they decided to register him after his death.
I will let you know how these unfortunate children died when I receive the death certifcates.
Once again thank you for your help.
Alan
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Hi Alan,
Glad i could be of some help to you. Yes i would be interested in how all these poor children died all so very young.
Jackie
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Hi Jackie
I have today received the death certificates of the children and, as promised, here are the details:
William Frederick 1891 (lived for two days). Cause of death: Marasmus - (hence the birth was registered after the death)
Dorothy May 1892 (lived for twenty eight days). Cause of death: Convulsions 7 days
Sybil Elizabeth 1894 (lived for five weeks). Cause of death: Bronchitis
Olive Elizabeth Victoria 1897 (lived for one month). Cause of death: Marasmus
Kathleen Elizabeth 1900 (lived for twelve days). Cause of death: Convulsions
I was perplexed about the word marasmus and, on Googling it, found it was malnutrition caused by lack of protein. However, both marasmus and convulsions in the young at the time were possibly related to inherited syphillus! Of course, we cannot be certain that this was the case but remembered watching a "Who Do You Think You Are" programme when the subject discovered a similar history of infant mortality to this and the cause could have been inherited syphillus.
Will try to do some more research on this.
Regards
Alan
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Hi Alan,
Thank you so much for the details on your family they are very interesting, although very sad, i dont know how they coped with all thoses babies dying so very young.
I am hopefully going to the record office again on the 2nd November if there is anything else you would like me to have a look for??? I will do my best for you.
Regards
Jackie
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Hi Jackie
I would appreciate it if you could check the burial of Edith Frances who I think died in the early part of 1915 and Frederick's which I think was in the early part of 1938. I find it strange that you could not find a marriage in 1890 as Edith was born in Heacham in 1871 and the marriage index states that it was in the Docking Registration District, but I suppose they could have married elsewhere - so I will have to buy another certificate. Anyway once again thank you very much for your help and I will look forward to hearing from you.
Alan
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Hi Alan,
I will look for both burials and i will recheck the marriages again? it is strange i could not find it but i will recheck it for you.
I will get back to you once i have been to the record office on the 2 nov.
If theses anything else you want to me to look up just let me know?
Best Wishes
Jackie
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Hi Alan,
Todays findings are:
Burials in Heacham - Checked 1906-1941
Edith frances Fuller 8th March 1915 age 44 years
Annie Maria Fuller 19th Aug 1915 age 70 years
Alice Louisa Fuller 13th June 1916 age 52 years
Jemima Fuller 15th March 1919 age 56 years
Sarah Elizabeth Fuller 12th Nov 1921 age 55 years
Frederick Fuller 26th Jan 1938 age 68 years.
All of Heacham.
Fredericks address was Hill Crest, Heacham.
Hope this helps
Jackie
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HI Alan,
I rechecked the marriages and there is deffinatly nothing there the register is in number order so theres no gaps? So there was no marriage in Heacham unless it was methodist or baptist?
I also checked Hunstanton as its a bigger place than Heacham but still nothing?
I however was pondering onthis and wondered whether it could have been a registry office wedding? In which case the records are not held at the record office. I do know that Norwich Registry Office weddings you CANNOT access
anywhere? so maybe it could be for all registry offices?
I did finf the GRO reference for the marriage
Dec QTr 1890 Docking District 4B 867
Maybe you will have to get the certificate to get the answer??
Sorry i could'nt help with this one?
Regards
Jackie
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Hi Jackie
Nice to here from you.
Thank you for the research you did at the Record Office. The reason you did not find the marriage is as you say. Edith's father was a methodist preacher and not knowing they would not be in the record office. I will in deed purchase the certificate just to proove that is correct and I will inform you what it says. Thank you once again for your good work and I will be in touch soon.
Alan
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Hi alan,
Glad i could be of help i look forward to hearing about what the certificate says.
Regards
Jackie