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Hi
I'm doing some research on a William Stafford and have come to a brick wall, and I'm wondering if any could take a look and have any ideas?
William Ernest Stafford born 26 Dec 1900 (have birth cert) mother Fanny Stafford nee Glover father William Stafford (deceased). Barrowby, registered 8th Feb 1901
William Stafford died 12th January 1901 from Typhoid from Barrowby informant John Glover brother in law. I have death cert. William aged 31yrs (so this all ties in)
I have a birth cert for what I thought was William
Sept 1871 Little Gonerby father Robert Stafford mother Rebecca Stafford nee Poucher.
I have marriage cert for William Stafford to Fanny Glover 1893
Barrowby 21st Nov 1893 William Stafford aged 24yrs of Barrowby father WILLIAM STAFFORD. Labourer.
I cant seem to locate the family in this area on the census....... I can find Robert Stafford but not William.
Any suggestions
Thanks for taking the time to look
Bunnygirl
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Hi,
Is his middle name Ernest by any chance?
its free to search and view 1911 census on ancestry until nov 2nd.
If you search for William, birthplace Barrowby 1901 you will find him
annie
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Hi,
Is his middle name Ernest by any chance? Didn't read your post properly!
its free to search and view 1911 census on ancestry until nov 2nd.
If you search for William, birthplace Barrowby 1901 you will find him
annie
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You seem to have two William Staffords here.
The death cert of William who died in Jan 1901 could not belong to the same William that was born in Sept 1871 as he would have been 29 at death.
The William born to Robert and Mary in 1871 remained alive and well and can be followed though the censuses to his marriage to an Agnes. 1901 census ref 3055/6/3.
Is it William or William Ernest that you need?
NC.
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Hi,
In 1901 living Church Street Barrowby RG13 3053 F126 P5
Fanny Stafford was a widow and children
Emma b1896
Olive b 1899
William Ernest b 1901
All born Barrowby
and Annie Glover (sister)b 1884 Barkston.
In 1911 Fanny,Olive and William Ernest was living Scarrington Notts
Kathy
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Hi
Thanks for all your replies.
I am having problems with William Stafford, his death cert states he was 31 when he died in January 1901 and as he was married to Fanny Glover, that's why she is shown as widow on 1901 census, so that is correct. On William's marriage certificate to Fanny it shows his father as William Stafford and I can't find census records for a William with a father called William. The 1881 census shows a William Stafford with parents Robert & Rebecca Stafford ... so this can't be the William I am looking for as his marriage cert states his father is William Stafford.
I do have the family on the 1911 census..... thanks
Bunnygirl
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The 1881 census shows a William Stafford with parents Robert & Rebecca Stafford ... so this can't be the William I am looking for as his marriage cert states his father is William Stafford.
Just to recap what Nottschick said ...
The son of Robert was an Iron Moulder in 1891 ... in 1901, a William STAFFORD who was an Iron Moulder has a wife named Agnes.
The fact is, you have no clues as to the origins of your William STAFFORD, but it's interesting that he turns up in the same area as Robert STAFFORD lived. Did Robert STAFFORD have a brother called William? Did that William have a son called William who would fit?
I see that Robert's father was a William. Perhaps William(c1870) was the illegitmate son of one of Robert's sisters. It is not unknown for a grandfather to be named as "father" on a marriage certificate. :)
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Does the witnesses on the marriage cert give any clues??
Kathy
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What is William jnr's profession on his marriage cert please? And does it tie in with the profession on any of his children's birth certificates.
There is a William Stafford born 1869 Exton (rather than Streeton which several ancestry trees list it as) to William and Mary Stafford living in Greetham in 1871 and 1881. He seems to disappear after that and the 1911 census for his parents lists 7 children 1 dead. This William senr is a stone mason but his son William was an ag lab. Just wondering if the professions were mixed about.
According to the ancestry trees for the Rutland family the Exton family tie in with my Stafford line from the Great Casterton area but I've not actually come forward yet on all of them so don't know off hand if there is a death for their son in the Greetham area. I am also not totally sure some of these trees are accurate. Several of my Stafford line did move over the border into Lincolnshire so it's a possibility but would need more research.
Just 'cos the marriage cert says profession is one thing, doesn't mean it's correct. Nor is it concrete that his father's name is definately William, as Geoff-E says he could be illegitimate, but you'd need to find a birth registration for an illegitimate son and figure out where he is on the early census and under what name. There do only appear to be the two in that immediate area but there are others who do move further afield.
Nicola
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Good Morning all and thanks for your thoughts and replies.
William Ernest Stafford birth 1901 cert states father as William Stafford as a farm labourer and mother as Fanny Stafford nee Glover. So William Stafford (sen) marries Fanny Glover in 1893 & NOT Agnes Gutteridge in 1911. And William (sen) was dead by 1901 & his death cert states he was a farm labourer. Marriage cert gives witnesses as Henry Glover & Mary Lizzie Glover. And cert states that William's father William Stafford is a labourer.
Bunnygirl
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The Robert Stafford who had son William in Little Gonerby by what I suspect is his first wife Rebecca, as he appears with a Mary on later census, was from Burton Coggles. There is also a William and Martha Stafford in the same parish who is probably Robert's brother but their son William isn't born until 1881 so can't be the husband of Fanny Glover. :(
I have a Susan Stafford born Great Casterton, Rutland in 1809, married three times, her third husband whom she married in 1860 was a William Stafford born Colsterworth 1813. She is probably the Susan Stafford buried in Burton Coggles in 1861. Whether there is any link between Susan and her third husband I have no idea at present, but they did move around a bit. ;)
However, the Robert and William Stafford in Little Gonerby are the sons of William born 1813 Colsterworth and his first wife Ann. Interestingly the Greetham Staffords do appear to have been descended from the Empingham Staffords, whose ancestor John Stafford was the Uncle of the Susan who married William Stafford of Colsterwoth. ;D
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There is a William Stafford born 1869 Exton (rather than Streeton which several ancestry trees list it as) to William and Mary Stafford living in Greetham in 1871 and 1881. He seems to disappear after that and the 1911 census for his parents lists 7 children 1 dead. This William senr is a stone mason but his son William was an ag lab. Just wondering if the professions were mixed about.
It may be worth you looking at the Greetham family. William Stafford born 1869 would appear to have been born in Greetham rather than Exton, he's listed as Greetham on 1871 and 1891 census, but Exton in 1881. On the latter he's an ag lab in Oakham. There is no sign of him after 1891 although the remainder of his family are in Greetham. William snr in 1871 is an ag lab but later listed as a stone mason, but all his sons are appear to have been ag labs. While it doesn't tie in completely with the marriage you have, there doesn't appear to be another William in the immediate area. May be worth following through to see which of William and Mary Stafford of Greetham's children are dead by 1911 as the census says only one of the 7, if all the others can be accounted for it could still suggest your William could be this one. You may get lucky and find a sister appearing in Barrowby, albeit a long shot.
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Hi smudwhisk
Yes the Robert Stafford who had William from Little Gonerby I have William's birth cert & yes his mother was Rebecca Poucher.
Robert marries Rebecca Poucher 16 May 1867 at the Register Office in the district of Sleaford . Robert & Rebecca are both shown as coming from Culversthorpe, William Stafford is Roberts father both have occupations as farm labourers. Witnesses Alice & George Poucher.
Rebecca dies in 1875 and Robert marries Mary Archer
24 Dec 1876 in the Parish Church of Swayfield Robert a widower labourer of Grantham father William Stafford labourer. Witnesses J Stead ? & Elizabeth Archer.
Interesting Mary Archers father Thomas Archer is a Mason
I have copies of both marriage certs
Bunnygirl
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Hope this does not confuse but on the 1881/1891 census I found living 35,New street (which is Manthorpe cum Little Gonerby on census).
1881.
Robert Stafford b c1841 Burton Coggles
Mary " b c1839 Swayfield
William " b. c 1871 Grantham
Joseph " b .c1880 "
1891
Same as above including.
Flory Stafford b.c 1883 Grantham
Robert " b.c 1887 "
Kathy
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Hi Kathy
Thanks for all those census records, like I've said my William's father is a William Stafford ... not Robert. And William died January 1901 from Typhoid fever in Grantham Hospital ... so he won't be on 1911 census
Thanks for taking the time to look into things
Bunnygirl
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Having followed the children of William and Mary Stafford nee Norris born Greetham through to the 1911 Census, the only child I can't find is William born 1869. All the others are accounted for and as they list one child dead on the 1911 Census, this would tend to make a good case that your William could be their son. I suspect William may well have only been a stone mason's labourer rather than a stone mason. The Empingham Staffords were often listed as stone masons from the early 1800s.
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Hi
Yes I've now had time to follow through and have come to the same conclusion, there also appears to be some names that have followed through the generations. Thank you very much for your imput!!!!!
Bunnygirl
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Glad to be of help, it's also added some more to my tree. ;D If you ever work out where the John and Ann Stafford who ended up in Pickworth in the 1690s came from, please let me know. They remain a mystery at present. ::)
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Noticed you are looking for the Stafford family, William earnest Stafford I believe is related to the Staffords of whissendine oakham, there is a parish which you can either visit or download births deaths and marriages that go back to the 1600s of staffords which lived and worked there many buried in the parish grounds, all mainly agriculture labourers, from there I believe many left and went to oakham Leicester Stamford and other towns and cities but it's amazing the information you can find out on the lives of Stafford family in whissendine
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Hello
Thank you for this information.
William Ernest Stafford was born in Barrowby and his parents came from Greetham and further back from Great Casterton.
I know there are a lot of Stafford's from Whissendine but I haven't as yet found a connection.
Thank you anyway
Bunnygirl