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Since I'm at the point where I'm ready to pull my hair out with these two I'm hoping someone can help me with my great-great grandparents (though to be honest I'm not entirely certain the enquiry belongs on this board.)
Anyhoo, here goes.
My gg-grandfather William John Sloan moved to Boyle in Co. Roscommon from Co. Down and opened a hardware store in Main Street in 1863. My gg-grandmother Mary Anne McLean states on both the 1901 and 1911 census that she was born in Co. Roscommon but she married William in Omagh Presbyterian Meeting House, Co. Tyrone in 1870. On the cert I have it states her father Samuel McLean was an architect so considering both his job and the period I'm assuming he may have moved from place to place and therefore have no idea from whence he came. The only other info I have is that their witnesses were Isaac McLean and Thomas K Sloan, presumably brothers of the bride and groom respectively and that William's father was John Sloan, a farmer. After that I've hit a brick wall. I can continue down the line with their children, grandchildren, etc. but can't go back any further, so any and all help is very gratefully received!
The info I have to date is:
Mary Anne Mclean (b. 1848, Co. Roscommon, father Samuel McLean)
married
William John Sloan (b. 1836, Co. Down, died 1919 Boyle, Co. Roscommon, father John Mclean)
Their children were all born in Boyle:
John Sloan (1871-1903) married Jeanette Boyle Hanna
Susan Huston Sloan (1873-1954)
William John Samuel Sloan (1874-?)
Mary Sloan (1878-1955)
Isabella Sloan (1879-?)
Margaret Knox Sloan (1881-1974) married Thomas Henry Mallagh
Bertha Sloan (1883-?) married Joseph Mallagh
Jessie Scott Sloan (1885-1905)
If perchance there is anyone on the board who is from or knows Boyle and can tell me where I might find the Presbyterian burial ground for the family plot that would also be very much appreciated.
Many thanks
Trish
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This is a link (http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/10467583) to an Australian death notice from 1910 which may be of interest as Samuel McLean Architect of Boyle, Co. Roscommon is referred to.
Logical this could be Mary Anne's brother and may give you a new lead
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TERENCE JOHN SLOAN MALLAGH, might be of interest to you??
http://www.dia.ie/architects/view/3350/MALLAGH-TERENCEJOHNSLOAN
also http://www.dia.ie/architects/view/3349/MALLAGH-JOSEPH
Wrong way in time for you, unfortunately http://www.dia.ie/architects/search/M?show=821 doesn't give anything for Samuel.
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This is a link (http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/10467583) to an Australian death notice from 1910 which may be of interest as Samuel McLean Architect of Boyle, Co. Roscommon is referred to.
Logical this could be Mary Anne's brother and may give you a new lead
Thank you so very, very much! :)
With this information I now have Samuel's wife's name - Susan Houston (which is passed down to the Susan Huston Sloan in my tree) - and a line to chase in Australia. It makes perfect sense that Samuel named his home Tyrone House if they had links to Co. Tyrone where Mary Anne and William Sloan married.
I truly cannot express how grateful I am for this. For more than two years it feels like I've been banging my head against a brick wall with this part of the family. Of course now I'm wondering why I didn't just bring it here in the first place ;)
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TERENCE JOHN SLOAN MALLAGH, might be of interest to you??
http://www.dia.ie/architects/view/3350/MALLAGH-TERENCEJOHNSLOAN
also http://www.dia.ie/architects/view/3349/MALLAGH-JOSEPH
Wrong way in time for you, unfortunately http://www.dia.ie/architects/search/M?show=821 doesn't give anything for Samuel.
Yes, this is absolutely the right family :) I have this and believe he was named for my great grandfather John Sloan who died in India a few years prior to Terence's birth (I have a wonderful photograph of John's wedding which what I presume is his entire family but since it was a sizeable wedding party it's difficult to identify anyone but the bride & groom). John was an army surgeon attached to the Indian Medical Service and one of my quests is to discover what inspired him to become a doctor and serve overseas when as the eldest son I would have thought it was assumed he would take over the running of the family business.
Thank you so very much for your help. It really is appreciated. :)
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no problem - happy hunting!
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http://homepage.eircom.net/~sligomethodist/boyle.html
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Greetings from Australia
I think I can help - as I have a copy of a Family tree ghoing back to about 1750 when
A McLean possibly Scotch , of Drumsua, Clune, Newry.& Carrivck in Leitrimalso suggestedborn about 1750
Children
Samuel
Robert,
John
William
George Hix
As we are both descended from William I will just continue with that line
William of County Leitrim -farmer and linen weaver married Jane McLeam
Isabella married Michael Bingham
Mary Ann married Jones
Margaret married Hewston of Leitrim (could it be Houston?)
Michael married twice
Samuel married Susanna Houston 9these are recorded in the Ardcarne Parish register)
Samuel and Susan had the following
William b 1840
Thomas b 1841
Mary Ann b 1843 married W J Sloan
Eliza Jane b 1845 married Mair
Joseph George b 1847
Samuel b 5 August 1848 9my g-grandfather)
Sarah b 1850? m Parker
The 4 sons all cemigrated to Victoria and I can supply more info if you want
Today you solved a lifelong mystery for me
My grandfather Dr John Samuel McLean became a doctor because his cousin had died in India whilst working as a doctor there. I knew the story but had no name for the cousin. Thank you so much.
My only regret is that my mother Doreen Bird nee McLean died on the 24 august just 3 days after celebrating hjer 100th birthday She would have been interested to knnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnow all this.
Good luck
Rilla
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http://homepage.eircom.net/~sligomethodist/boyle.html
Thank you! Somewhat ironically I attended services in this little church a couple of times many moons ago. If only I'd known back then to go and read a few gravestones. Benefit of hindsight, right?
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Greetings from Australia
I think I can help - as I have a copy of a Family tree ghoing back to about 1750...
...Today you solved a lifelong mystery for me
My grandfather Dr John Samuel McLean became a doctor because his cousin had died in India whilst working as a doctor there. I knew the story but had no name for the cousin. Thank you so much.
My only regret is that my mother Doreen Bird nee McLean died on the 24 august just 3 days after celebrating hjer 100th birthday She would have been interested to knnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnow all this.
Good luck
Rilla
Hi again Rilla :) I've sent you a private message but just wanted to say thank you again on here so everyone can see the result of their wonderful help! :)
Just to explain: With the information I was given here I found my way to an Australian cousin who in turn led me to Rilla, who as you can see is a veritable mine of information. ;D
THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH everyone! ;D If I have even half as much luck tracking down my Sloan's I shall be a very happy ancestor hunter. ;)
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http://homepage.eircom.net/~sligomethodist/boyle.html
Thank you! Somewhat ironically I attended services in this little church a couple of times many moons ago. If only I'd known back then to go and read a few gravestones. Benefit of hindsight, right?
Just looking at the "shared" church, it looks small BUT is there a graveyard there?
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Hi there,
There is mention in this article of some staff of William Sloane's !
roscommon herald (http://www.roscommonhistory.ie/People/mgaughan/extracts/herald1919.htm)
Sometimes stuff like this can be nice to fill out a person's life !
Tara
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Have you seen this article about a fire at the Sloan Hardware Store in 1901
terrific blaze in boyle article (http://www.gaelart.net/roscommonheraldarticles2.html)
Tara
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http://homepage.eircom.net/~sligomethodist/boyle.html
Thank you! Somewhat ironically I attended services in this little church a couple of times many moons ago. If only I'd known back then to go and read a few gravestones. Benefit of hindsight, right?
Just looking at the "shared" church, it looks small BUT is there a graveyard there?
Good question! There most definitely isn't at the front. The house at the side-known as the Rectory, though I've never known of a vicar living there and in fact had a relative in the house for a while-doesn't have much of a garden either. Had thought maybe there might be one behind the church but thinking about it, possibly not.
With Rilla's information I think it's worth having a look at some of the old graveyards in the other churches which fall under Ardcarne Parish. I'm thinking specifically of Cootehall. But when it comes to Boyle I'm still a bit stumped as to where to even look for a Presbyterian/CoI graveyard if it's not near the little church. And it really IS little. Could hold fifty people at most if my memory serves,
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Hi there,
There is mention in this article of some staff of William Sloane's !
roscommon herald (http://www.roscommonhistory.ie/People/mgaughan/extracts/herald1919.htm)
Sometimes stuff like this can be nice to fill out a person's life !
Tara
Hi Tara :)
Hadn't seen this one and I LOVE little details like this so thank you! I wonder what they were striking about? Three employees seem to have been taken from Sloan's. I would think that was quite a lot for the store. Also love the humor in the article. Only in Ireland! :)
Have you seen this article about a fire at the Sloan Hardware Store in 1901
terrific blaze in boyle article (http://www.gaelart.net/roscommonheraldarticles2.html)
Tara
Now this one I had seen and it's this fire that I reckon took a lot of the family memorabilia. The family home was on three floors above the shop (servants most likely in the little room where I used to stay at the very top when I was a child. I LOVED that little room) The parlour was directly above and I would assume that's where many of the family photographs were kept on display. My hope is that I might find a few in the Herald's archives, which I believe are kept in Roscommon library. It's office (as mentioned in the article) was just 'down the street' and I'm hoping at the very least things like weddings and obituaries will have made it into the paper. I don't think there's any way to check them online ???
It was a tough few years for the family after this. A couple of years afterwards they lost John, their eldest son, in India and according to my cousin the letters from the family to his widow were heartbreaking. He has promised to scan and forward them to me and I am bolstering myself for an emotional read.
Thank you so much for finding these Tara. Every little detail is very much appreciated. :)
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There is an online site
www.irishnewspaperarchives.com
I'm not sure what you might find on it but I know you can buy a 24 hour pass for 10 euro !
Tara
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BOYLE CHURCH OF IRELAND CHURCHYARD - County Roscommon. The churchyard is a mile North of the town.
BOYLE (ASYLINN) CEMETERY - County Roscommon. This cemetery is 2 miles West of the town.
ARDCARN (ST. BEAIDH) CHURCH OF IRELAND CHURCHYARD - County Roscommon. The churchyard is just off the road from Boyle to Carrick-on-Shannon, five miles East of Boyle but there are no g/stones there for your names! Possibly an unmarked grave??
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There is an online site
www.irishnewspaperarchives.com
I'm not sure what you might find on it but I know you can buy a 24 hour pass for 10 euro !
Tara
Doesn't seem to have the Roscommon Herald but the Leitrim Observer is there so shall have a wander through the site. Thanks for this! :)
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BOYLE CHURCH OF IRELAND CHURCHYARD - County Roscommon. The churchyard is a mile North of the town.
BOYLE (ASYLINN) CEMETERY - County Roscommon. This cemetery is 2 miles West of the town.
ARDCARN (ST. BEAIDH) CHURCH OF IRELAND CHURCHYARD - County Roscommon. The churchyard is just off the road from Boyle to Carrick-on-Shannon, five miles East of Boyle but there are no g/stones there for your names! Possibly an unmarked grave??
Unmarked would be just my luck, wouldn't it? Will definitely have to try the other two. I wonder who I contact to ask about burials there. Local council? Local church?
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"Thank you for your interest and information John. I did know about Wilhelmina Jane, I have seen her grave at Boyle Church of Ireland graveyard - she died aged 16 years. Her mother, Wilhelmina Sloan, is my great-grandmother......"
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0qri/
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http://www.kilmore.anglican.org/parishes/boyle.html gets you an email address and phone number
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I see Sloan's shop is a Protected Building...
No.208 here http://www.rootschat.com/links/0qro/
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My goodness. :o This is all WONDERFUL. Thank you so very much!
I see Sloan's shop is a Protected Building...
No.208 here http://www.rootschat.com/links/0qro/
I'm so glad to read this and hope it means the new owners have kept the interior of the shop the same. I remember the tall mahogony counters from my childhood and they still had those little tubes you put money in that went on a pulley system across the ceiling. There were also wrought iron spiral staircases to the storerooms and hundreds of little nooks and cranny's to explore. It was quite the adventure playground ;D. There's still a commemorative stone in the doorway with WJ Sloan's name and the date the store was opened. Still don't know how he ended up all the way down there from Co. Down, though. Perhaps Wilhelmina's line may provide the answers ;) I know his brother Thomas Knox Sloan (a witness at William & Mary Anne's wedding and they named one of their daughter Margaret Knox Sloan) died in Boyle c. 1888 but I don't know if he was married or had kids. I also found a Theodoria M Sloan who died in 1958 odd at the grand old age of 90, so she might slot in somewhere too. Would be helpful if they could all decide how their names were spelt.
Samuel McLean, Mary Anne's father (an architect) also seems to have had an impact on the town. In the Griffiths valuations from what I can glean he was renting property to the local police and building a house elsewhere. Would love to know how many he built/owned/rented over the years.
Am off now to see if I can find a connection to Wilhelmina Sloan... :)
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Well there was an Isobel Sloan, born in Co Roscommon related to Rev Hanna of Jordanstown, which might be worth noting??
She is here in 1901 http://www.rootschat.com/links/0qrw/
Robert Kennedy Hanna is here in 1911 with Isobel!! http://www.rootschat.com/links/0qrx/
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Well there was an Isobel Sloan, born in Co Roscommon related to Rev Hanna of Jordanstown, which might be worth noting??
She is here in 1901 http://www.rootschat.com/links/0qrw/
Robert Kennedy Hanna is here in 1911 with Isobel!! http://www.rootschat.com/links/0qrx/
You're absolutely on the right trail :) Isobel is Isabella Sloan, younger sister of John who married Jeanette Boyle Hanna, a sister of Rev. Robert Kennedy Hanna. Which brings us to another mystery. How did John get all the way up to Co. Antrim to meet Jeanette? My best guess is there had to be a relative there for him to visit because any of the Hanna's who served in India (including another as a doctor with the Indian Medical Service) would have been post his time both there and in Medical School.
It's so lovely to have someone else to share my ancestor hunting confusion with! ;)
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There were far more railways in those days than there are now!!
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There were far more railways in those days than there are now!!
I do wish they'd stayed off them. Would have been so much simpler.
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LOL..if only they kept their tickets!! These are the railways that were in existence in 1906... http://www.rootschat.com/links/0qs3/ so very easy to get around, many started in 1840's!! Click map tp enlarge it...
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Sheila Webb b. 11 July 1909 married 2 July 1935 Terence Mallagh of 23 Whitebeam Road, Clonskeagh, Dublin son of Joseph Mallagh/ Bertha Sloan...2 children, a daughter b.1937, a son in 1940, possibly still living, so can't name them here.
Source The Chandlee family from 1591. Author: Thomas Chandlee
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New topic on DOWN board-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=620548.new#new
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Since I'm at the point where I'm ready to pull my hair out with these two I'm hoping someone can help me with my great-great grandparents (though to be honest I'm not entirely certain the enquiry belongs on this board.)
Anyhoo, here goes.
My gg-grandfather William John Sloan moved to Boyle in Co. Roscommon from Co. Down and opened a hardware store in Main Street in 1863. My gg-grandmother Mary Anne McLean states on both the 1901 and 1911 census that she was born in Co. Roscommon but she married William in Omagh Presbyterian Meeting House, Co. Tyrone in 1870. On the cert I have it states her father Samuel McLean was an architect so considering both his job and the period I'm assuming he may have moved from place to place and therefore have no idea from whence he came. The only other info I have is that their witnesses were Isaac McLean and Thomas K Sloan, presumably brothers of the bride and groom respectively and that William's father was John Sloan, a farmer. After that I've hit a brick wall. I can continue down the line with their children, grandchildren, etc. but can't go back any further, so any and all help is very gratefully received!
The info I have to date is:
Mary Anne Mclean (b. 1848, Co. Roscommon, father Samuel McLean)
married
William John Sloan (b. 1836, Co. Down, died 1919 Boyle, Co. Roscommon, father John Mclean)
Their children were all born in Boyle:
John Sloan (1871-1903) married Jeanette Boyle Hanna
Susan Huston Sloan (1873-1954)
William John Samuel Sloan (1874-?)
Mary Sloan (1878-1955)
Isabella Sloan (1879-?)
Margaret Knox Sloan (1881-1974) married Thomas Henry Mallagh
Bertha Sloan (1883-?) married Joseph Mallagh
Jessie Scott Sloan (1885-1905)
If perchance there is anyone on the board who is from or knows Boyle and can tell me where I might find the Presbyterian burial ground for the family plot that would also be very much appreciated.
Many thanks
Trish
Hi Trish, my parents run WJ Sloan hardware shop and would love to know more about William and his descendants. The church is a 10 minute walk up Green Street - Rosaleen
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Welcome to RootsChat, Rosaleen :)
.......my parents run WJ Sloan hardware shop and would love to know more about William and his descendants. The church is a 10 minute walk up Green Street - Rosaleen
Here's the death of William John Sloan.
William John Sloan died in 1919 in Boyle, Co. Roscommon......
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1919/05142/4416571.pdf
The informant was his son, William S Sloan.
GeoHive historic 25" map (1897-1913) has Green Street, Main Street and the Parish Church all marked. Also the Methodist Church.
https://arcg.is/O9b4S
KG
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Mary Anne Sloan died 29th June 1914 (no death record).
Administration of the estate.
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014918/005014918_00725.pdf
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Sheila Webb b. 11 July 1909 married 2 July 1935 Terence Mallagh of 23 Whitebeam Road, Clonskeagh, Dublin son of Joseph Mallagh/ Bertha Sloan...2 children, a daughter b.1937, a son in 1940, possibly still living.......
Birth of Sheila Webb - 11th June 1909. MMN Donaldson
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1909/01603/1643901.pdf
1911 census
House 27 in Harold's Cross Road (Terenure, Dublin).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Terenure/Harold_s_Cross_Road/47292/
Marriage of Sheila Webb in 1935.
To Terence John Sloan Mallagh, civil engineer aged 25, in the Registrar's Office, Dublin. Her witness was her mother, Florence L Webb.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1935/08945/5237620.pdf
Two children-
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F1WK-PQ7
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F1HK-L6F
Birth record of Terence John Sloan Mallagh - 20th July 1909, Wine Street Sligo. MMN Sloan
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1909/01602/1643611.pdf
KG
Edited and adding:
Second marriage also on 2nd July 1935 - Society of Friends, Dublin.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1935/08945/5237616.pdf
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thanks for all this information. I'm not sure I'm answering the right thread of the conversation but people were asking about how the shop looks now? When we bought it in 1987, the pulley sytem for paying bills was already gone. The wrought iron staircase is still there but the lovely old office was removed and re-used in a cottage. The mahongany counters were mostly gone and in hindsight we should have kept the remaining ones. I'd like to re-install them. There are still ornate pillars and tougue-and-groove ceilings but very often the features are hidden away among all the hardware products!
RC
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Found this in Trove - Preston Leader
The "Roscommon Herald," of July
4, reports the death of Mrs. Mary Sloan,
of Boyle, Ireland. The deceased lady
was a sister of Mr. T. Hicks McLean, a
Northcote resident of 25 years' standing,
and mayor of the municipality for two
years in succession. Speaking of the
late lady the "Herald' says:-" Mrs.
Sloan, ,who .belonged to an old and
respected Roscommon family, was the
daughter of the late Mr. S. McLean,
Boyle, whose name is treasured and
honored in the history of the old town,
was of an extremely charitable nature,
and was foremost in every movement
which tended for the uplifting of the
community. Coupled with her esteemed
husband, son and daughter, she did,
throughout her life in Boyle, acts of
charity and goodness which stand on
record, and earned for herself in the
affection of the people a monument more
enduring than brass." Many wreaths
were received from townsmen and
public institutions of Boyle, and the
remains were interred in Assylinn
cemetery in the presence of a very large
gathering of prominent citizens.
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I think this is the death register for Susan McLean (Houston)
Death Register - Susan McLane
Widow of Architect
Witness - W John Sloan (Son in Law)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1884/06321/4812610.pdf (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1884/06321/4812610.pdf)
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Terence Mallagh and Sheila Webb had two children. Juliet born in 1937 and Christopher born in 1940. Christopher has died (2021) with no issue
We have been researching the family as well and have the family tree from Sheila going back to William the Conqueror. There is a lot of royalty in this family tree lol. If anyone would like a copy please reply and will sort it out.
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GeoHive historic 25" map (1897-1913) has Green Street, Main Street and the Parish Church all marked. Also the Methodist Church.
https://arcg.is/O9b4S
Updating this link-
From OSi National Townland and Historical Map Viewer.
(click MapGenie 25 Inch)
https://arcg.is/1mb0qy
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Would anyone like the family tree of Sheila Webb back to William the Conqueror. This tree was drawn up in 1919.
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Fiona - I am Sheila Mallagh's niece and would be interested in contacting you re the family tree. My father Ivan was Sheila's brother.
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Fiona - I am Sheila Mallagh's niece and would be interested in contacting you re the family tree. My father Ivan was Sheila's brother.
That would be great Fiona! Can't remember how many posts you need before I can message you privately. Three? Maybe four? Hopefully one of the moderators can tell us. :)
Trish
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Hi Trish - I though i was responding to Fiona. do you have the family tree ? Susan
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Welcome to RootsChat, Susan W :)
Can't remember how many posts you need before I can message you privately. Three? Maybe four?
Susan W needs to make at least one more post for you to send a private PM.
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THanks Kiltaglassan
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Hi Trish - I though i was responding to Fiona. do you have the family tree ? Susan
Sorry. Without a quote from Fiona I thought it was a general response. No re: the Mallagh family tree. I have the Sloan branch, because as you may know, two of William John Sloan's daughter's married into the Mallagh family.
Margaret Knox Sloan married Thomas Henry Mallagh and they had three children:
Margaret Sheila Mallagh
Doreen Elizabeth Mallagh
Dennis John Mallagh
Bertha Sloan married Joseph Mallagh and they had two children:
Terence John Sloan Mallagh
Moira Margaret Sloan
My great grandfather was their brother, John, who died in India. So, if you would like more information on that side of the tree or have any information you can share... :)
Trish
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Welcome to RootsChat, Susan W :)
Can't remember how many posts you need before I can message you privately. Three? Maybe four?
Susan W needs to make at least one more post for you to send a private PM.
Thank you!
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Sorry - don't have anything further on the Sloan family tree - my interest is on the Webb side as Sheila Mallagh who married Terence was a Webb. Wondering if you might have a photograph of Terence or know Juliet's ( his daughter) married name?
Thanks
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Sorry - don't have anything further on the Sloan family tree - my interest is on the Webb side as Sheila Mallagh who married Terence was a Webb. Wondering if you might have a photograph of Terence or know Juliet's ( his daughter) married name?
Thanks
I don't have a photograph of Terence but have sent you the name of Juliet's husband via DM.
Trish