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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: DonL on Thursday 30 August 12 04:16 BST (UK)
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Would there be a Rootschatter who has an uncle or great uncle born of Scandinavian origin in NSW approx 1881 and who disappeared between 1900 and 1908 when he arrived in New Zealand and reemerged on marriage as Albert Clarence LINDALE. This name does not appear in any Australian records and there is no record in NZ under this name prior to his marriage.
In his wedding announcement he mentioned that he was the eldest son of Mr H LINDHAL (no records under this name either.
On the off chance that he did have younger brothers who have existing family in Australia I am posting this message as I have exhausted all other avenues.
I am currently have some DNA tests done to determine if indeed I have Scandinavian ancestry. (I do have some maternal Scandinavian - Swedish and Norwegian ancestry) but as the DNA test is on the Paternal line hopefully t5his may reveal something.
Any help very much appreciated in helping me knock down this major brick wall.
DonL
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Shouldn't the spelling be LINDAHL? Have a search of the online NSW BDM indexes.
Unfortunately not all parents registered the birth of their children or even if they did, the registrations did not always make it to the Registry in Sydney.
There is a mention of a LINDHAL mother and dau on TROVE...search using the surname.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper
Cheers
Cando
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Hello Cando - thanks for that. The spelling of LINDHAL is as it appeared in the Evening Post Wedding announcement the day after his wedding to Rosie CRUNDWELL. His Intention to Marry record and his marriage certificate has LINDALE and this was the name by which he was known for the rest of his life here in NZ.
I have looked at the records for LINDAHL in Australia and have not been successful in finding any connection with my grandfather. Those born in Australia were either in the death records or had been found in the Electoral Rolls of AUS after 1908 so can't be the missing grandfather.
I have looked at the Trove item before and can't find a connection.
I suspect that the Lindale name is a fiction and that he was known by some other name prior to 1908 in both Australia (which is where he claimed to have been born) and NZ.
I have searched under the names of his nominated mothers - different on the two marriage he had in NZ.
Thanks so much for your info.
Cheers
DonL
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Don, There is one Lindale marriage in Qld 1889. Apart from you, no one else on the RC surnames list that you dont know already ???
The swedish name Lindahl exists, but no mention of Lindhal on Mr Google.
Neil
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Don,
Could you tell us the names of his nominated mothers please? Let's try an another angle.
I notice a few Lindahl's as crew on ships entering Australian waters http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/ - those listed are a bit later than 1881 but not all records have been transcribed. Just a passing thought that his father maybe a seaman ...
regards,
Ros
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Over here Ros :)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,581472.msg4331681.html#msg4331681
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Thanks Merlin :)
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Greetings
On the two mariage certificates of my grandfather he had the following info:
1908 marriage - place of birth - Newcastle, Father - Harry Lindale, Plasterer, mother Alice Newman
1942 marriage - place of birth Armidale NSW, father - Nicoli Lindale, Hotelkeeper, mother Amelia Swanson
Good luck - I've searched high and low without success.
DonL
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Hmm, well there was a Amelia Grace Newman :o
She was married to a James Alexander Newman and was having children from 1872 through to 1893. from Braidwood to newcastle to Tamworth and Armidale.
When Married at Braidwood in 1871 she was Amelia Grace Swinburn and he was James Alexander NEWMAN-OLDMAN Ref # 1820/1871.
They had 10 children.
Neil
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Plot thickens a little :o
Death in Tamworth 1940.
GRACE ALICE NEWMAN Father WILLIAM Mother MARY AMELIA at TAMWORTH Ref # 16341/1940
Neil
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Can I ask what your grandfathers work was and where did he live?
Neil
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Oh yes, I think you have got to have as laugh at Amelia's husbands name. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Newman Oldman who's he kidding ;D
Neil
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Methinks Amelia may have had an affair with a fellow definitely of Swedish origin or Scandinavian at least AND his surname was LINDBECK.
There was a whole family of them in Braidwood around this time.
See Monaro Pioneers.
http://www.monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I91347&tree=MP
Neil
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The earliest records I have of my grandfather is his Intention to Marry and his marriage certificate - both dated 16th January 1908 in Wellington, New Zealand. He was a master plasterer by trade working mainly in Wellington but did travel to other parts of the country on contracts. He retired to Hastings in the 1960s where he died in 1953 - reported age 70.
Cheers
DonL
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Lindbeck
There are no records at NZ BDM or on the Electoral Rolls for a Lindbeck.
Cheers
Don
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There are plenty where Alice or Amelia married. The Monaro area of NSW.
just one family
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/IndexSearch?form=IndexingSearch&cgiurl=%2Fcgi-bin%2FIndex%2FIndexingBirth.cgi&sname=Lindbeck&gname=&fname=&mname=alice&event=births&frange=1850&trange=1900&place=&SessionID=36065484&x=48&y=13.
I don't think young Lindhal? Knew anything much about his forebears for whatever reason. But presumably because of a possible union out of wedlock :o
I think you could confuse, Linbeck and Lindhal. Also Swanson with Swinburn. She seems to have varied her first names around reasonably well to possibly confuse things even more.
Only my thoughts though. But was she the same mother, she was certainly in those places around the right time?
Neil
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Hi Neil
Thanks for that - I also looked at "PapersPast" (NZs version of Trove) for Lindbeck and found only one entry and this realtes to a young Swedish lady who was seven months pregnant and hung herself in Plimlico (UK) leaving quite a sad note on her reasons for ending her life.
So it was in the NZ Papers but the event was elsewhere - so no Lindbeck news in nZ.
My grandfather seems to have arrived in NZ with a diferent name as there are no shipping records of a LINDALE arrival and there does not appear to be a LINDALE birth in Australia even though his first wedding announcement described him as the eldest son of Mr H LINDHAL of Newcastle - in fact the announcemnt in the Evening Post of 17th January 1908 had his name as LINDHAL - unlike the LINDALE which is on the marriage certificate. That announcement indicates he had other siblings.
I must say that information on wedding certificates can be misleading - for example Albert'dsecond wife put down her place of birth as Dunedin, whereas after a lot of digging aroung I found she was born in Oatlands, Tasmania - she did spend her early years in Dunedin living with her grandfather (who she said was her father on ther certificate)
Cheers
DonL
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Hi Don,
I have looked for your elusive chap on some of your earlier threads, and alas I have not knowingly found him in NSW. But, of course, I will keep trying. At the moment I am not near my paper copies of various NSW electoral rolls from the 19thC or pre WW1, so I am relying on online searchings only, ie none of those early NSW rolls are readily available.
BUT ..... have you considering the following NSW birth?
It was registering in the Manning River district, but earlier than I have previously looked.... (While not Newcastle or Armidale, it is 'up that general way, ie Taree and district')
1869, Albert C LINDMAN, son of Gustaf R and Mary AC (Lindman). The NSW BDM ref is #12651. Of course transcriptions are a better option if you do not already have that cert.
Cheers, JM PS, That's a good find Neil, there's Deceased Estates and Bankruptcy files under that spelling at NSW SR, sorry I cannot do live links as I am on my e reader. Perhaps Neil can rescue me please ;D
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Hi JM :)
here's the link to NSW state records http://srwww.records.nsw.gov.au/
regards,
Ros
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Any names for his siblings Don?
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Continuing Neil's possible scenario
James Alexander Newman was tragically killed by a train in Armidale in 1898
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article54522549
reg no 529/1898 NEWMAN James A Thomas Priscilla ARMIDALE
Amelia G Newman died in Armidale reg 3951/1925 NEWMAN AMELIA G 76 YRS ARMIDALE
I tracked their registered sons - Robert Thomas, Willie and Vivian and they are accounted for
regards,
Ros
adding : more details of James' death http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article71284746
Amelia G Swinburne b 1849 reg V1849576 50/1849 to Adam and Hellen
James A Newman b 1843 reg V184344 27A/1843 to Thomas and Priscilla
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Any names for his siblings Don?
No I am afraid the only knowlege I have of his siblings is the reference to being the eldest son of mr H LINDHAL which was in the wedding announcement in the Wellington "Evening Post" of 17th January 1908 - 1 day after his marriage. See the advert here:
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=EP19080117.2.2&srpos=1&e=-------10--1----0Lindhal--
Cheers
DonL
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Hi Don....This is a strange lot for sure. On NSW BDM there are two marriages same year 1871 for what appears to be two brothers. One marries Sydney John Newman-Oldman to Jane Riley. Same year James Newman-Oldman marries in Braidwood NSW.
John and Jane have 16 children :o :o :P variously scattered across the Monaro region near Canberra NSW. Quite a few die young, some survive a bit longer. Must have been interesting around the dinner table.
James and Amelia had 10 children one of which was a Priscilla ::) She died young along with two others who both died 1889.
I dont believe you will find a Lindahl/Lindhal/Lindbeck travelling to NZ. You might find a Newman or a Newman-Oldman though.
Neil
I meant to say that although these two married under the name of Newman-Oldman, they both dropped the Oldman for the registrations since.
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Just adding....James and Amelia were my great grandparents
through their daughter Edith. James descended from convicts Thomas Newman and Mary Beck. James’ father was Thomas Newman. This name Newmanoldman first appeared as one long word on the marriage certificate of James and Amelia. Love to know what prompted the change!