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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (East Riding & York) => Topic started by: romanby on Thursday 30 August 12 13:40 BST (UK)
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Could someone please help me find information about John Webster Bulmer born in Filey in 1856
I have information when he lived at home as a child
In 1881 he is 25, married to Sarah with son Luke, his occupation A fish curer, living in King Street Filey.
In 1911 I have him aged 55, still married to Sarah and son Luke - occupation a Lodging house keeper at Arndale the Beach Filey
Could someone please help me with the missing years 1891 and 1901
This would help me fill in some gaps
Thank you
Tina
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Tina,
I think that this may be John Webster Bulmer in 1891.
North Place, Filey, Yorkshire
John W Bulmer/ 35/ Mar/ Fish Buyer/ born Scarbro
Sarah Bulmer/ 29/ Wife/ born Filey
Luke Bulmer/ 10/ Son/ born Filey
Annie E Bulmer/ 9/ Dau/ born Filey
John W Bulmer/ 5/ Son/ born Filey
Dora Bulmer/ 2/ Dau/ born Filey
RG12/3962/38/17
I will take a look for John in the 1901 census and post the details for you.
Best Wishes
CJL
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Tina,
John W Bulmer is not with his family in 1901. I have posted below the details for the rest of his family, I will then try and find John and post any details which I find.
Arndale House, Foreshore Road, Filey
Sarah Bulmer/ Head/ Wife/ Mar/ 38/ Lodging House Keeper/ born Filey
Luke Bulmer/ Son/ 20/ Painter?/ born Filey
Annie Bulmer/ Dau/ 19/ born Filey
Dorothy Bulmer/ Dau/ 12/ born Filey
John Bulmer/ Son/ 15/ Grocer/ born Filey
Minnie Bulmer/ Dau/ 9/ born Filey
RG13/4528/67/28
Best Wishes
CJL
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Tina,
I am sorry but I have not had any luck in locating John Webster Bulmer on the 1901 census despite trying every variation of his name that I can think of, maybe someone else might be a bit more creative than me and find him for you. If I can be of any further help, please feel free to ask.
Best Wishes
CJL
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Many Thanks CJL for the information that you have found for me .
It has filled in some gaps in my Bulmer family tree.
I will keep trying to find John in 1901
Thanks once again
Regards
Tina
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Tina,
You are most welcome :) I am just sorry that I am unable to locate John on the 1901 census. If you have access to Ancestry's records it would appear that his son John died in the First World War. His service records are available to view on the Ancestry website.
Best Wishes
CJL
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Thanks again
I had just found the possible reference for his son and WW1 .
I was looking at all the family from the 1891 and 1901 information you gave me to see where they all were in 1911.
No I no longer have access to Ancestry but am thinking of subscribing again this winter
regards
Tina
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No I no longer have access to Ancestry but am thinking of subscribing again this winter
Assuming that you live in England, 'Ancestry' is likely to be available on the computers at your local library.
Bee
:)
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Thank you Bee
I do go to the local library to check ancestry records there sometimes but much prefer to do my research at home.
Regards
Tina
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Hi,
I too am researching the BULMER family.
I have discovered John Webster Bulmer, borm 1885 in Filey Yorkshire.
He was killed in WWI - May 29 1918, and is buried in the ESQUELBECQ Military Cemetery, Northern France. This link will take you to the Filey Military Memorial.
http://www.roll-of-honour.com/Yorkshire/Filey.html
Sergeant T4/044570, Royal Army Service Corps. Died of wounds 29th may 1918. Born
and resident Filey, enlisted Bridlington.
Regards,
Bob
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Many thanks for this reply.
I have actually walked past this memorial about 4 years ago when visiting Filey before I started looking for John Webster Bulmer. I will need to make a return trip.
John Webster Bulmer b. 1856 was my great grandmother Mary Ann Bulmer's brother. They were children of Luke Bulmer b. 1822 and Sarah Ann(nee Harwood)
Since rejoining Ancestry I have discovered there is a lot of information about the Bulmer family on the internet - if you just type in bulmerfamilies - the site opens with a village sign BULMER
There seem to be several generations with the name of John Webster Bulmer.
Are you descended from Luke and Sarah Ann ?
Regards
Tina
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dont know if you hve this but in the last census living at Arndale, On the Beach, Filey with Sarah & Luke married 32yrs 7 children. 5 children living 2 died.
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Thanks for that.
All information gratefully received.
Bob
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My wife is related to Jean, and she is a direct descendent from the marriage of George Watson and Dora Bulmer. They married in Scarborough in 1912. So the answer to your question is my wife is.
I wanted to include the Bulmers in my family tree because Jean passed on a magnificent photo from that 1912 wedding - which shows a number of Bulmers - and I wanted to use that pictorial information.
And I'm trying to collect as many photos as possible - which I think helps enrich the family history documentation.
Regards,
Bob
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Sorry I cannot help you with any Bulmer Photographs
Thank you for making contact
Regards
Tina
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Gogogadgetlegs
Since rejoining ancestry 2 weeks ago I had found the 1911 record
but thank you for taking the trouble to reply
Regards
Tina
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Could someone please help me find information about John Webster Bulmer born in Filey in 1856
I have information when he lived at home as a child
In 1881 he is 25, married to Sarah with son Luke, his occupation A fish curer, living in King Street Filey.
In 1911 I have him aged 55, still married to Sarah and son Luke - occupation a Lodging house keeper at Arndale the Beach Filey
Could someone please help me with the missing years 1891 and 1901
This would help me fill in some gaps
Thank you
Tina
Hi romanby,
I too have recently started researching my family tree & have accurately made it back to a Richard Bulmer (my great grandfather) b. 1875 in Scarborough, who is listed as living in Filey at age 6 with a John Webster Bulmer b. 1811, in the 1881 census, he is listed as John's nephew. Richard Bulmer must have been one of John's brother's children, either William b. 1817 or Luke b. 1822 (they must have had him late in life or is there a missing generation somewhere!?)
If your John Webster Bulmer b. 1856 & great grandmother Mary Ann Bulmer are John Webster Bulmer's nephew & niece, then my great grandfather & your great grandmother were cousins also. I guess that means we're distantly related! I'd also love to know what happened to William & Luke & why my great grandfather was living with his uncle. I have also been in contact with the owner of the Bulmer Families website & he has provided me with a few details about William & Luke's parents, William Bulmer d.abt 1832 & Mary Bulmer (nee Webster, the origin of "Webster Bulmer" perhaps?) b. 1775.
I'd love to pick your brains about this possible family connection & trade some info. Maybe you have more than me, I've only just started since the new year!
Regards
Lee Bulmer
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Hi Lee
From my Research Luke Bulmer (possible baptism 2nd Feb 1822 Filey) married Sarah Ann Harwood on 14th September 1851 at St Marys Church in Scarborough . Her sister Mary Harwood was one of the witnesses. My ancestor Mary Ann Bulmer was born 20 November 1853 at 1 Long Greece, Scarborough two years after her parents were married.
Luke Bulmer died 6th September 1862 age 39, a fisherman, cause of death Typhoid Fever at Nesfields Yard ,Quay Street, Scarborough.
Sarah Ann Bulmer died 11 November 1867 at 10 Tuthill, Scarborough. Her death was in suspicious circumstances ( her badly bruised body was found late at night in her house by her lodger a Dutch fisherman) and was the subject of an inquest . However no foul play could be proved and the inquest returned a verdict of death by natural causes.
All these addresses are in close proximity in the old town of Scarborough below the Castle ruins
After Sarah died the children Mary Ann Bulmer b. 1853, John Webster Bulmer b. 1856 and Jane Bulmer b. 1858 were in separate places in 1871.
Mary Ann age 17 was a general servant in a house in Scarborough.
John Webster Bulmer age 15 was with his uncle of the same name (Luke's brother)
and Jane age 13 was a servant with a Jane Harwood, Fisherman's widow.
Luke's mother was Mary Bulmer (nee Webster) born Staithes about 1777 she was in Filey in 1841 and 1851 census records and Luke was with her on these records. In 1861 Mary aged 84 is still living in Filey with her married daughter. By then Luke has married and is living in Scarborough with wife and 3 children in Nesfield's Yard.
I have tried to find Mary Bulmer's death certificate but without 100% success
A Mary Bulmer died in Filey in 1862 age 85 (correct age) but the death certificate says widow of John Bulmer fisherman , however Luke's marriage certificate says father William Bulmer occupation sailor.
I have yet to find a Richard Bulmer in my tree but will have a look at him and see if I can find a connection.
I hope that this is of use to you
Regards
Tina
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Hi Tina,
Thank you for the extra info, especially the causes of death.
Since I posted last I have been presented with an enigma regarding my great grandfather, Richard (b. 1875) He seems to just appear in the 1881 census living with John Webster Bulmer (b. 1811) who is your great grandmother's uncle. I have been sent scans of the original 1881 census & at this time, my grandfather lived with with John & an 18 year old Elizabeth Mason (b abt. 1863) both are listed as nephew & niece of John. I assume Elizabeth Mason is a descendant of one of John's sisters as she has a different last name, but is listed as unmarried on the census. Now after that census, Richard drops off the grid until 1897, when he marries my great grandmother, Edith. John died in 1890, when my great grandfather would have been 15, so I wonder if Elizabeth Mason, his cousin, cared for him & moved away with him somewhere else?
Now the enigma for me is, assuming Richard continued to live with John until his death in 1890, where was he between then & when he got married? Now, to further deepen the mystery, after obtaining a scan of Richard's marriage certificate, it lists his father's name as John Bulmer, but it doesn't say he is deceased at that time (does it normally include that info?) Who was John Bulmer? The only relatives in that family line around the time of his birth were the older John Webster Bulmer & your great grandmother's brother, John Webster Bulmer. If this John Bulmer was still alive, why couldn't he care for Richard as a child, why was he sent to live with his uncle/great uncle? I need to get hold of Richard's birth certificate, badly, that may clear up the mystery! How do I go about doing that? Any tips would be greatly appreciated!
Anyway, thanks again for sharing what you have. Do you use the Bulmer Genealogy website? The owner, Paul Bulmer has helped me so much with scans of all relevant censuses concerning this tree, perhaps I could send you the scans if you don't already have some? If you do want the scans just PM me & I'll be happy to email them to you.
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Hi Lee
Not sure if I can be of further help as you probably have this information
Richard Bulmer born July- Sept 1875 Scarborough BMD 9d347
Richard Bulmer marriage to Edith Timms Bramley Reg District July-Sept 1897 BMD 9b597
Richard Bulmer death Leeds April-June 1939 age 63 BMD 9b411
Richard in 1881 Census nephew age 6 with Elizabeth Mason niece age 18 and John W Bulmer aged 69
There is a Richard in 1891 age 15 occupation coachman nephew of Francis Hippey living in Leeds but it says born Leeds (this could be an error as all his own children are born Leeds ) Francis' wife Elizabeth was born Filey - could be a coincidence.
1901 census Richard age 25 is with wife Edith living in Armley occupation Beer Brewer 1911 census Richard aged 37 occupation Brewer living in Armley and Bramley with wife Edith and Children Dorothy and Florence
Sorry I don't know if it says father is deceased on a son/daughters marriage cerificate.
I think I have most of the records that I need and yes I have looked at the Bulmer Website
Birth Certificates are available from GRO at a cost
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Best of luck with your research
Regards
Tina