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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Dublin => Topic started by: topsey1953 on Sunday 09 September 12 20:10 BST (UK)
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Help needed please to find the birth of Michael Keenan born 1860/61 in Dublin City. thanks
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May I ask why did you post in Co. Down??
Michael KEENAN Births (http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/search.jsp?namefm=michael&namel=keenan&exact=&name2fm=&name2l=&location=&dd=&mm=&yy=&diocese=&parish=&type=B¢ury=1800&decade=1860&sort=&pageSize=100&ddB=&mmB=&yyB=&ddM=&mmM=&yyM=&ddD=&mmD=&yyD=&locationB=&locationM=&locationD=&member0=&member1=&member2=&member3=&member4=&member5=&member6=&member7=&member8=&member9=&namef0=&namef1=&namef2=&namef3=&namef4=&namef5=&namef6=&namef7=&namef8=&namef9=&namel0=&namel1=&namel2=&namel3=&namel4=&namel5=&namel6=&namel7=&namel8=&namel9=&keyword=&submit=Search) in the 1860s on Irish Genealogy
Ref to Michael KEENAN (https://www.familysearch.org/search/records/index#count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3Amichael%7E%20%2Bsurname%3Akeenan%7E%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1860-1863%7E&collection_id=1408347) on the civil register for 1860-63; there is no actual birth records.
You will need more information for an accurate search
Do you know where about Michael came from?
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hi,
the only info I have is from the 1901 cork city census where it shows he was 40 and was from Dublin, so born 1860,61,
thanks
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link to previous thread on the Keenan family on the Cork board for reference :
Michael keenan, Marriage look up please (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,507051.0.html)
S.
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Hi Topsey,
Census 1901 http://www.rootschat.com/links/0qzp/
Census 1911 http://www.rootschat.com/links/0qzq/
THere is an age problem as he states he is 45 in the 1911 census.
Brother in law O'connor gives possible name for Mary.
Only marriage on IFHF is a Michael Keenan to a Mary Lynch in 1892 in Roscommon, with no Keenan/O'connor marriage +/- 5years 1894.
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Brother-in-law could mean that Patrick O'Connor was married to a sister of either Michael or Mary, or even a half-brother of Mary's.
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Patrick O'Connor is shown as aged 13 so you can rule out being married (most likely!)
The writing is clear with no obvious changes
If the description is correct he is either Mary's brother or possibly misdescribed and a step-brother of either; many census returns have wrong relationships stated
From the Cork forum a suggestion was made to order a birth certificate for one of the children
Rodger 1903 (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FB2Z-DNG) is the possibly best one to start with as there is just one
Keenan Births (https://www.familysearch.org/search/records/index#count=20&query=%2Bsurname%3Akeenan~%20%2Bbirth_place%3Acork~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1893-1911~) in Cork from 1893 to 1911; names match census return closely
If there is a New York connection (in other forum) then passenger manifests may help
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I thought I had covered my back with the use of the word ''POSSIBLE''. All other possibilities are available.
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Hi all,
I now have birth cert for Roger Keenan showing his Mother as Mary O'Connor.
I am searching the USA for marriage entry, but no luck so far. Still hopeful a Dublin birth entry might be found. Thank to everyone for any help.
Topsey
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Is this the same Rodger/Roger aged 7 on the 1911 census?
His birth is shown as in Cork see link (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FB2Z-DNG)
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Hi,
yes its the same Roger Keenan, St Patricks Arch cork city, looking for his Father Michael Keenan's Dublin birth entry around 1860/61,
Topsey
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with no marriage record to show details of his father the problem is going to be confirming or ruling out any possible baptisms you find ... also not knowing where exactly exactly he meant by 'Dublin' - the city, the suburbs, the county...
(inconsistent place of birth on the census returns doesn't help either...)
Shane
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Hi Shane,
in the 1901 census Michael wrote birth place as Dublin,
topsey
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and 1911 has Cork City... although for some reason he says he cannot read and the enumerator filled in the return for him.
Unfortunately 'Dublin' is not very specific - quite a few parishes involved
S.
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Are you sure that the two census returns are the same family?
It seems strange that in 1901 Michael could read and write and sign his name but was unable to in 1911
They seem correct especially if you now have Roger's birth cert with the O'Connor connection
I would assume if he could write he would give the correct information and that the 1901 reference to Dublin is more accurate but this is not definitive
As Shane suggests locating their marriage certificate will be vital for you to get full clarification
Immigration records might also shed light on the family
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shane,
I don't know why birth place is Cork in 1911 census but family always said they believe the family came from Dublin.
I would like to look in the Dublin parish lists and tick them off as I go, where would i start?
Topsey
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Topsey1953
Without his parents names you will have nothing to rule in or rule out who is the correct Michael Keenan
baptisms (http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/search.jsp?namefm=Michael&namel=Keenan&exact=&name2fm=&name2l=&location=dublin&dd=&mm=&yy=&diocese=&parish=&type=B¢ury=&decade=&sort=&pageSize=100&ddB=&mmB=&yyB=&ddM=&mmM=&yyM=&ddD=&mmD=&yyD=&locationB=&locationM=&locationD=&member0=&member1=&member2=&member3=&member4=&member5=&member6=&member7=&member8=&member9=&namef0=&namef1=&namef2=&namef3=&namef4=&namef5=&namef6=&namef7=&namef8=&namef9=&namel0=&namel1=&namel2=&namel3=&namel4=&namel5=&namel6=&namel7=&namel8=&namel9=&keyword=&submit=Search) on line at www.genealogy.ie
but this site does not include all parishes in the city and county
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Hi myluck,
yes its the same family, st patricks arch is a small square of houses they moved across the square from no. 1 to no. 12, the first house was a shared house and no. 12 was a house only for their family, Topsey
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myluck,
looking at Irish Genealogy site shows a good match in Michael Keenan 32 New st Dublin born 11 July 1960 and its the only entry for that year, what are the odds its the one i am looking for.
topsey
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I couldn't state odds! ;D
You could be extremely lucky and have the correct entry first time but what you have to remember is that not all the records are firstly, available; secondly, on-line; thirdly, without primary information to confirm i.e. his father or mother's name to confirm; actual address/parish etc.; and exact year of birth.
Although the Michael shown in 1860 has a father named Daniel that ties in with the name of Michael's eldest son, I would not add this record to your family tree without a proviso that it is subject to proven confirmation.
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Hi All,
now searching for the Marriage record of Michael Keenan and Mary O'Connor am now told they could have married in New York, any advice on which databases to look up.
I have made a search in a few churches but no record to be found,
thanks to all helpers,
Topsey
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You can see some suggestions on one of your previous threads - http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,516114.msg3718773.html#msg3718773