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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Glamorganshire => Topic started by: Abiam2 on Thursday 20 September 12 16:15 BST (UK)
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I believe the census for Coombs Terrace, Llandaff, Cardiff is missing. There has been an exhaustive search for the family here on RC. So that has to be our conclusion. Now there is the thought that they may be in a Kelly's Directory of the time 1871 does anyone here know if one exists?
Thank you,
Abiam2
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you could ask the family history section of Cardiff Central Library. They have a large selection of directories, some of the late 19th century ones are kept behind the desk.
http://www.cardiff.gov.uk/content.asp?nav=2%2C2868%2C2970%2C4768
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Thanks Osprey. I have emailed them,
Abiam2
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Hello
I did go into the library this morning and made some enquiries for you.
They did not have Kellys 1871 Directory. The person I spoke to checked out
a Cardiff Directory for 1869 and it was not in that book.
Sylvia
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Thank you very much for thinking of me when you were there. I have just had a very nice email from them saying they have looked for Kellys and in other directories but my Coombes are not there.
Abiam2
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There are a number of other directories for this area around this time at
www.historicaldirectories.org
I have had a quick scan and can only find the briefest of records in Worrall's Directory of 1875 for
Brick and Tile Manufacture - Coombes,Charles - Canton
Regards
Roger
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Thanks for looking Roger. I don't think there can be any more to find out as the census pages seem to be missing for 1871.
This was found for me by another RC member. They were building the 5 houses between 1875 and 1880 because they were gone by 1881.
Coombs Terrace c1870-80s, no longer there. If you look at a map from the early to mid 1880s you can see a small terrace of homes, roughly where Avoca Place/Wedmore Rd stands today, standing on its own before the rest of the Saltmead area was built. The five homes were built by brickmaker Charles Coombs, four of which housed members of his family, and the terrace was given their name. Bristol-born Coombs had worked at a brickmaker in Newport before moving to Cardiff with his eight children. With two brickworks close by and the huge amount of building work, there was obviously a lot of demand in Cardiff. In 1881, Charles, 62, lived at No1 with wife Ann and son John, a fellow brickmaker, 34, and wife Annie, 37, and their daughter. Next door at No2, lived younger son Thomas, another brickmaker; Two other son Edward, 19, also in the trade and brother James, 16, lived at No3. Eldest son Charles, 38, lived with his wife and children in No 5. The terrace disappears off the map and by the 1890s, the families are living in Penarth Road and Eldon Rd (Ninian Park Road).
I believe it is called "getting the bit between your teeth" when one spends so much time and effort on one small part of a tree. But now I have resigned myself to the fact that I will not know exactly where they were in 1871
Thanks everyone,
Abiam2
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Just one more entry:-
1871 Post Office Directory Monmouthshire and South Wales
Brick and Tile Makers
Coombs,Charles Canton Common Cardiff
There are only two entries in the 1871 with this address and neither are him nor can I find him in nearby pages
Regards
Roger
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I don't know how near Llandaff and Canton are to each other perhaps they had a yard in Canton and were building in Canton. I don't think we'll ever know for sure.
Cheers,
Abiam2
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Abiam2,they are connecting districts.
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In case it wasn't covered in previous related threads:-
To see Coombs Terrace and nearby brickyard on a map go to:-
www.old-maps.co.uk
Use the search term "St.Donats Road"
Select No.1.When the current map loads,go to the historical drop down list on the right and choose 1880 1:2500.Use one off click magnification or Windows zoom facility(200%) to view.
Regards
Roger
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Thanks for that. Will have a look at the map.
have followed instructions but the map comes up as very faint and I can't read it. Have tried 3 times. Will have one more go then have to go out.
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Got it! I just the wrong 1800 on the right and I can see Coombs Terrace.
Thanks very much Roger.
Abiam2
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It looks like the Brick and Tile works associated with Charles Coombes is the one at the direct equivalent of his 1891 census address
Go again to www.old-maps.co.uk and use the search term"60 Penarth Road Cardiff".Select the only option,and when loaded,choose either of the 1880 map options.
I can't find this location in the 1871 census(under Penarth Road or Moors Road?).Perhaps it is amongst the missing pieces,but there must be a reasonable chance that this is where he was resident.
Interestingly,across the road is a "Ship School",and I think the eldest son Abraham is on board ship in Bideford Devon in 1871 - ref 2201 102 0
Regards
Roger
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Hi,
That's very interesting. I shall have to check up where the other children moved after their parents moved from Coombs Terrace to the Penarth Road. I wonder if Coombs Terrace was pulled down by 1891 for a new road. And yes you are right Abraham was in the navy for a short time. Now I can't find him in 1881 - the search goes on!
Thank you very much for your help and interest, Roger.
Cheers,
Abiam2
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Looking again at comparative maps I would say that Coombe Terrace was incorporated into another road,probably the end of North Clive Street,or possibly Wedmore Road in the rectangle formed by the junction of these with Avoca Place.Go back to www.old-maps.co.uk and use the search term "91 North Clive Street Cardiff"and select.Note that in the 1880 1:500 map only Coombe Terrace appears.If you then go to the 1901 1:2500 map you will see the rectangle referred to above and in the middle of the longer parallel sides,5 properties with orientation as in Coombe Terrace.
As for Abraham in 1881,perhaps he was at sea-it might be worthwhile looking for his wife and family.
Regards
Roger
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Thanks for that. Will investigate.
I cannot find Abraham anywhere in 1881. I have him in Wales in 1891 living with his wife and children in Windsor Terrace, Penarth Road and working as a labourer.
I wonder if anyone has advice on searching for a mariner?
Abiam2
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In 1881 it looks like the rest of Abraham's family,perhaps with an assumption of Elizabeth's father's name,is at 36 Alfred St,Bristol St Paul:-
Ref RG11 2472 15 24
Regards
Roger
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I can find a couple of reports where Abraham is charged with petty theft,the latter of which places him as a cook on the Steamship Devon in Avonmouth in late 1880(he stole a leg of pork from the kitchen).This ship was owned by the Great Western Steamship company from 1878 to 1886.It may be the same ship that is in Australian waters in March 1881 ,but Abraham is not amongst the crew.
Regards
Roger
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Wow that's great. What a naughty boy! The leg of pork wasn't for his wife and kids!
That is very helpful to know that he was at sea between approx. 1871- 1891.
Must have had some home leave as his wife Elizabeth Caroline was looking after their 5 children,
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And yes you found her in 1881 and Robert Coombs was her father. In 1871 living in Bristol she is alone with their two small children.
Cheers
Abiam2