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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (North Riding) => Topic started by: hookleg on Friday 28 September 12 08:52 BST (UK)
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Any info about brothers, sisters, children and parents, gratefully received.
I believe Edward may have been a butcher or assistant in Northallerton, but not sure. Born about 1872
Children as far as I know:- Annie 1918, John 1920, Lily 28 Dec 1922 - 2008(Married Dennis A E Lecore) all deceased Edna 1928-2008, living daughter (Married Walter Greive deceased in Canada)
I think there was a half brother Harold, who took the surname Blackburn and married a Phyllis (Maiden name not known). Both deceased
Edward Smith may have had parents John and Annie Born abt 1847 and siblings Annie Mary 1870, Harriet 1877, Thomas H 1879, Charles 1884, Elizabeth 1886, Henry S 1888. But due to the difficulty of trying to track Smiths, any of this may prove to be a 'red herring'.
I have no info as yet about Ethel Blackburn or her family.
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Hi
Are all these people deceased? We don't allow any details of living people to be posted on rootschat so you may need to edit your post.
Have you looked on freebmd.org.uk for a marriage for Ethel and Edward? Getting that certificate would seem to be an essential step when research the name Smith.
Andrea
PS - the marriage is there!
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Do you have any idea when Ethel or Edward died? That would help date them. We can't help with 1911 census but it is free on Ancestry at the moment so you could look there to see who pops up in the Northallerton area. Still need that certificate though.
Andrea
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Hi there,
Had a look for a birth of a Edward Smith for you. The Edward you mention
with parents John and Anne and he is a Butchers assistant. He is there on the 1891
census aged 19. This would make him about 49 years old before the children
you have mentioned were being born? So just wondered if it is a wrong Edward.
There are two Edwards born in Northallerton making them around 23-25 years
old when the children are born which sounds a little nearer the new Father age.
One was born in June 1895 and is called Edward Reginald Smith and the
other was born in December 1896 called Edward Smith.
The Edward Reginald lives in Market Place, Northallerton and his Dad is a
Ironmonger so they own a shop by the looks of it. His parents are
Edward H and Mary E. There is a sister called Dorothy A who is 8
Edward R is 5. This is on the 1901 census.
Finding the other Edward born 1896 on the 1901 is more difficult.
regards Sandymc
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Just seen your search for Smith Northallerton.
I have a family connection and have some details of Ethel Blackburn b 1888 in Norhallerton I think she was my G Grandfathers sister, I beleive she married a Smith, I had communication from her elderly son who at the last count lived in Northallerton.
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Thanks Dingoad. Sorry about slow contact but my computer has died and I have had to borrow a laptop. This definitely seems to br the correct relationship. I would be most grateful for any info you could provide, especially if the elderly relative was E*****.
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Right, just got your reply.... its a little late now but i will collate the details and let you know tomorrow.
Dave.
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Hi everyone and welcome to RootsChat, Dave.
I have a family connection and have some details of Ethel Blackburn b 1888 in Norhallerton
Just to say - could it be possible that Ethel was born in Darlington, not Northallerton :
Birth, Mar qtr 1888
Ethel Blackburn
Darlington, Vol 10a, page 22
It appears the child above was living in Northallerton from at least 1891 onwards.
Kind regards,
Pels.
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Hi, yes I have it as 1888 at Darlington,children of Christopher and his wife Mary.
Other children,Nathaniel, Mainner, Kate and Ethel.
Nathaniel was my great grandfather. I do know that Kate emigrated I think to Canada with her English husband.
I communicated with a man ( probably my half cousin) who was quite elderly but astute, he wrote me a letter in 2003 to say his mother was ETHEL and she had been a seamstress. I dont know if he would still be alive.
My interest would be the Blackburn family also from Northallerton, my grandfather being Percival Maynard Blackburn B 1900-1957
I have been curious as to Mainner Blackburn, there is no record of her death.
If i can give any more specific details I will be glad to help.
If you do get any further information yoiu think might interest me then pleaser contact me.
The reference re vol and page is of no relevance to me at the moment as i dont subscribe to any paying history sites
Good luck.
Dave.
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Please do not post details of living people. I have edited your post to remove a name and address. It is too easy for unscrupulous people to use such information for identity theft.
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I hope by me posting this you aren't missing the previous post, Dave.
The reference re vol and page is of no relevance to me at the moment as i dont subscribe to any paying history sites
The reference I gave you is free to search on the link below. :)
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
When you said you can't find what happened to Mainner, did you find her birth record which I'm assuming was registered in Guisborough. I can't even find that, but there's a Marion and a Martha.
Pels.
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I found the below on the 1881 census but other than that nothing. maybe she died early on, or even emigrated, the story seems to end abruptly.
Blackburn
Mainner
1877
Redcar
Darlington, Darlington
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there is a mariana blackburn born hartlepool 1875 dave
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there is a mariana blackburn born hartlepool 1875 dave
But there's also a Maryana Blackburn, born Hartlepool which claims she born in the workhouse on the 1881, Dave.
Pels. :(
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there is a mariana blackburn born hartlepool 1875 dave
But there's also a Maryana Blackburn, born Hartlepool which claims she born in the workhouse on the 1881, Dave.
Pels. :(hi pels it must be the same one the 1881 census has the workhouse in hartlepool mother margaret is this the one dave
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Here's the two Guisborough births I wondered about, both available from TeesValley Indexes :
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0roy/
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0roz/
The reason I say this, if you click on the given reference number where it says Guisborough, you can contact Tees Valley Registration Services free of charge to verify any queries - before they issue the certificate.
Please note: We are unable to give information from an entry other than in the issue of a certificate. You are welcome to supply us with further details for verification and we will advise you as to whether or not this is the correct certificate before you purchase.
You could ask them whether the father's name was recorded as Christopher.
If it isn't, you know these births aren't the ones you are searching for.
Hope this makes sense.
Pels.
Added : Hi to the second Dave ! :) :)
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HI, I am positive its MAINNER Blackburn. Re find my past site.
In the 1881 census, she is listed as the daughter of Christopher and Mary Blackburn & sister of Nathaniel 8 years. She is 4 years old. and was born in Bedale.
The address at the census is Villiage North Side Hurworth.
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HI, I am positive its MAINNER Blackburn. Re find my past site.
In the 1881 census, she is listed as the daughter of Christopher and Mary Blackburn & sister of Nathaniel 8 years. She is 4 years old. and was born in Bedale.
The address at the census is Villiage North Side Hurworth.
Hi again,
According to the actual image from the 1881 - she was definitely born in Redcar.
I'll try and post a snippet of the image.
I think you must have misread it ! :-\
Pels.
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Here it is :
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Did you send an email to TeesValley Indexes to try and determine whether one of those might be the right birth registration - per my reply on the 9th October ?
It would be worth it, otherwise the only place she exists is on the 1881 census.
Pels.
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Hi Pels.
Thankyou for your reply, you are correct, i did misread the census place of birth.
I didnt send the query thinking that the christian name was not Mainner, yours is Martha and Marion s, therefore i discounted it. However I have now done as you suggested and sent the query.
I will let you know.
Thanks
Dave.
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I don't think the ones I suggested are necessarily right - it's more a process of elimination. Dave's idea of Mariana sounds better but there was already a child fitting her birth description in 1881 - obviously she wasn't yours because your Mainner was with her parents.
Fingers crossed, if they aren't her at least we know.
Pels.
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Just had a reply from my enquiries Marion. S Blackburn. Confirmed parents are Christopher and Mary.
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I find that Marion Smith, BLACKBURN is correct, her mothers maiden name was SMITH so that ties in.
It also brings me back to the Smiths of Northallerton with our friend who first posted.
I dont understand though, how the name on the Census, giving the name MAINNER as christian name of Christopher Blackburns daughter, turns out to be later given as Marion?
Could it have been a nick name, or just a misinterpretation by the recorder of the document?
From this record on, i am unable to find anything else, except there is a Marion born on her birth year who travels to Quebec I think.
Thankyou to all who have helped me so far.
Dave.
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The 1891 census has her recorded as 'Mignon' - or that's what I read it as ?
Pels.
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Thanks Pels, I have looked for this listing but cant find it, can you tell me where to look please.
Thanks.
Dave.
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Sorry it's taken me so long to reply.
If you search for Mignon Blackburn, born 1877 in Darlington, you should find her, age 14 years and living with Christopher and Elizabeth.
Pels.
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Many thanks pels, i found that entry and it does look like Mignon.
Dont suppose Ill ever find out if its Mainner, Marion or Mignon?
After this I dont know where to go with it, or where to make progress, unless anyone has any further suggestions.
Thankyou very much for everything, you have all been a big help.
Dave.
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Hello Hookleg, i came across your post dated 28 Sept (i presume it was 2014 ) after typing in Ethel Blackburn.we were looking for information regarding my paternal grandfather.. The half brother you mention named Harold was my father, born Jan 18th 1913, my mother Phyliss (nee pearson) was born Dec 3rd 1919. He would never talk about his father, and as his birth certificate stated father unkown we assumed he was given his mothers surname, he talked of having a blood sister named Annie, wether she had the same surname as him we never found out as we did not know of her possible existance until a short time before he died. In addition to my fathers half brother John, and half sisters Lily and Edna,which you mention, there were two more half brothers Walter and Ernest, All had the surname Smith. I would be interested to know the reason for your enquiry into the family, and wether exchange of information would be beneficial to both parties.
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Hi Ramgin, I met Harold and Phyliss when they visited Haughley and stayed with Lily and Den. Lily and Den were my wife's mum and dad. I am trying to trace Lily's side of the family as I have Den's back to the 1700s. Haven't had much luck with help from Lily's sister (N*****) in Canada but she is elderly. Hope very much that you will be able to put some more pieces into my jigsaw. Regards from Suffolk.
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Hello Hookleg, i came across your post dated 28 Sept (i presume it was 2014 ) after typing in Ethel Blackburn.we were looking for information regarding my paternal grandfather.. The half brother you mention named Harold was my father, born Jan 18th 1913, my mother Phyliss (nee pearson) was born Dec 3rd 1919. He would never talk about his father, and as his birth certificate stated father unkown we assumed he was given his mothers surname, he talked of having a blood sister named Annie, wether she had the same surname as him we never found out as we did not know of her possible existance until a short time before he died. In addition to my fathers half brother John, and half sisters Lily and Edna,which you mention, there were two more half brothers Walter and Ernest, All had the surname Smith. I would be interested to know the reason for your enquiry into the family, and wether exchange of information would be beneficial to both parties.
. Hi there I am the youngest daughter of (N****e) and reside in Canada. My mom wasn’t aware of a sister Annie until after my Aunt Lily passed away. She knew Harold and Phylis as we visited with the in 1975. I have been doing some research on another site and found out that my great Grandma was Elizabeth Ann Swales, she married Christopher Blackburn. My mom had mentioned that Harold’s middle name was Swales? Just curious if that is correct? My mom also said she knew that one of her moms brothers moved to Ontario and worked for Algoma Steel. Maybe this will help all who are searching.