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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition => Topic started by: PhotoBob on Sunday 30 September 12 16:37 BST (UK)
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Hi,
Can anyone identify the women in this photo.
That's my father next to her.
The last we spoke about this he thought it was Marion Ryan - singer from the 1960's.
I'm not so sure.
Can anyone help?
Bob
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Hi Bob,
Could it be Jackie Trent ?
Maurice
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Not Marian Ryan or Jackie Trent.... Did she hit the big time?
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Hi,
I very sure it's not Jackie trent, and quite sure it's not Marion Ryan.
I've just found an on-line photo of Jackie so I know it's not her. She had a partnership(?) with song writer Tony Hatch.
I've tried to find web-site that list 1960's pop starts to see if a name fits?
No luck so far.
Bob
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Answer to Hepburn
Yes I'm told she was a well known pop singer.
Bob
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Ive been having a looksi at 1960's girl singers,quite a few names but no photo's on the site...Ive tried images and I can't see her yet.
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http://www.rootschat.com/links/0rfv/
This is the one I found.
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http://www.readysteadygirls.eu/#/british-girls/4520782524
Cant get help form this site
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Are you sure she is British?
Irene
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Hi,
What a great web-site - readysteadygirls.
I need to work through that list...
Bob
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When I first saw it, she reminded me of Petula Clark. Some of the photoies on Google from the early days does show bit of a resemblence.
Regards
Malky
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Yana ?
jim
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Hi Bob,
Just wondered if you could help with when you think this photo was taken?
You say the 1960's but having lived through the 60's thats 10 years.
Its def not Marion Ryan as I used to see her walk past the end of my street
when I was a child with her children Paul and Barry Ryan. It was unusual
to see twins in those days.
I know the womans face but am finding it hard to recall her. Could be a few
ladies from the 60's singers like Adrienne Poster
Julie Grant or even Dodie West
Not alot of photos of these ladies nowadays. To me she looks older than they
would have been looks more like someone born end of the 1930's or beginning
of the 1940's.
How old was your Dad on the photo, could help the search better
regards Sandymc
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She looks like someone who found fame pre-60s to me (remembering that "the Sixties" began about 1963). Of course she could well have been "doing the clubs" after that.
Not Adrienne Posta or Julie Grant.
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Do we know where it was taken: Was dad in the business or was this just a special event? Might help to get the date
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Hi,
No Dad wasn't in the business. He was a chauffeur driving the Chairman of Glaxo around. What he was doing giving lifts to celebrities I don't know. I have another photo of him driving Miss World (Miss India) around - and that was 1966.
Not entiring sure the date of this picture - I would guess 1960-65.
Hope that helps.
Bob
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uuhm.... looks like a homemade dress she is wearing, as the seams are not pressed out properly. !?
(well in my opinion ;))
could she be a startlet! she has a look of (I am sorry.....) Kylie Minoque........ but it is not her Mother, who was a DANCER ...as she had emigrated to Aus at the age of 12.....
Dont think its Yana Jim ... as her eyebrows are not severe enough.
but her name had run through my mind.
as with most suggestions... So I am drawing a blank... but still thinking.... ??? ::)
xin
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Elaine Paige???
Leanne
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I'm reminded of Lesley Gore ... apart from the hairstyle!
Adrian
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Another 2,
Peggy Lee,
Patti Page.
Regards
Malky
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She reminds me of a particular actress. I'll try and think of the name. Sylvia ...........?
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Here's an old photo of Sylvia Syms
http://photos.lucywho.com/sylvia-syms-photo-gallery-c13803706.html
whaddya reckon?
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and another
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0rh3/
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I don't think it's Sylvia Sims,her eyes are very bright and sparkly,this lady had sadder eyes.Looks like a great thinker :)
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She certainly looks familiar - but none of the names suggested so far sound right - the face says actress to me rather than singer, but who knows. Perhaps "starlet" is right - it also occurs to me she looks "European" in an Audrey Hepburn way, rather than English
Steve
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It does look rather like her, but I'm not sure how much of that is the hair, make-up and general sixties look.
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June Laverick, film starlet perhaps.
James
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Oh June Laverick, I remember her, gosh.... she was in a film with Tommy Steele, who I quiet like ;) :-[
what was it........... ?? uhm the Duke wore Jeans. I think, and I remember him singing a song called 'Princess' to her. will look it up....
xin
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Hi All,
I like the suggestions you all made but I'm afraid to say none yet are correct.
I know that cos I have a great image memory - so I know she is not Marion Ryan, Elaine Page, Jackie trent, Peggy Lee, Sylvia Sims, Petula Clark...
But I must check on
Julie Grant, Patti Page & June Laverick
My thanks to you all.
Keep suggesting please.
Best,
Bob
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Oh June Laverick, I remember her, gosh.... she was in a film with Tommy Steele, who I quiet like ;) :-[
what was it........... ?? uhm the Duke wore Jeans. I think, and I remember him singing a song called 'Princess' to her. will look it up....
xin
http://youtu.be/nRuTo7aGQyY
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thank you Young Tug, I enjoyed that.. :) ;D
xin
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Have managed to pause Young Tug's clip at a close up of the "Princess", and I must say June Laverick does look quite like the girl in Bob's picture.
If it is her, June Laverick retired from acting in her 30's (she was born 1931), and moved back to her home town of Redcar, where she married an ICI process worker, and took over the running of her parents' pub The Royal Hotel in Redcar.
Ring any bells?
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I'm going with Pattie Page. On some of the images for her, her fringe is very similar. :) :)
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Try this other view of June Laverick - she's on in the first few moments of the film clip itself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-N29pUhTC7Q
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June Laverick
Used to be DH's wife in the Dickie Henderson show.
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She reminds me of the singer Jackie Lee. ????
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She's really like Cheryl Baker of Buck's Fizz.......
but that's no help at all, I know.....
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Not been on for a few days. I think it looks like Syliva Syms. The actress.
She has the most unusual fringe and there are photos on the net with
the same kind of fringe. She appeared in Ice Cold in Alex with John Mills.
I think June Laverick is similar but has a more delicate nose if you look at
her closer.
regards Sandymc
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Not been on for a few days. I think it looks like Syliva Syms. The actress.
She has the most unusual fringe and there are photos on the net with
the same kind of fringe. She appeared in Ice Cold in Alex with John Mills.
I think June Laverick is similar but has a more delicate nose if you look at
her closer.
regards Sandymc
http://youtu.be/-HKmXYFMVPA
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Patti Page.
Maybe.
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Its finally come back to me whom I was thinking of: Jean Seberg the American actress. See the photo below
Steve
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Hi all,
Jean Seberg - now we're getting close, but still not sure.
I have re-checked images of Patti Page and I think we can rule her out.
Bob
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Did you rule out June Laverick, Bob?
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Hubbie says looks a bit like Beryl Marsdon
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My first thoughts on seeing the picture was... Glynis Johns... perhaps born too early for the 60's
Patricia
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Does your Dad still say she was a singer?
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Shani Wallis???? Nancy in Oliver
James
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No my Dad wasn't a singer - he was a chaffeur - driving 'special' people around London in the 1960s'.
I also think the Shani Wallis sugestion pretty good.
Regards
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Hair/head crown on the wrong side.
Regards
Malky
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The last we spoke about this he thought it was Marion Ryan - singer from the 1960's.
Hi Bob,
I would go with your dad - something tells me it is Marion Ryan and he's right. Could she have doing some publicity work for Paul and Barry rather than herself - therefore putting her age nearer to mid thirties, somewhere between 1965 - 1969 ?
Your pic isn't similar to a lot of her other images online, it's more natural and less theatrical looking.
But that's just my view anyway, so I'll have to be different. Why did you think it wasn't her ?
Pels.
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This certainly isn't conclusive, I could only find one image that was suitable and even that wasn't a match.
The top right shows one image of Marion Ryan placed on top of yours layered at 50% opacity, using the top left of her face as you look at it. The second is the right side. The bottom obviously looks odd because that's the whole pic I've used. In my picture her head was tilted downwards and she was smiling. The jawline appears to be a perfect match, as do her eyes and hairline.
One thing I've been told I'm completely wrong about is the date, by all accounts her makeup and clothing aren't right for the time scale I mentioned. See what you think anyway and as I said this isn't me saying I've proved anything by doing this.
Pels.
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One last attempt.
An image of her son, again layered at fifty percent opacity placed directly on top of your image with hardly any manipulation, it fits perfectly. What are the odds of being able to do this if they aren't related. I don't know the answer to that.
I do wish someone would either agree, or disagree ! ;D ;D
Pels.
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Well, you convinced me! I've never tried that technique though.
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I agree Pels :)
I did think that dad was right in the first place but didn't like to say as I wasnt' 100% and I couldn't find a closer match.
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I too agree with Pels.
This website has many pics of Marion Ryan in the late 50's early 60's - though on most of them she is smiling and showing her teeth, I'm pretty sure PhotoBob's picture is her.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0rvh/
Yorkslass
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Hi,
Does anyone else think that there is a liklihood that the date of the photo is probably not mid 60's.. the double breasted 'baggy' fit suit and the womans dress look to be more late 50's....
Marian Ryan was born Feb 4 1931, that would make her around 35 when this photo was taken if in fact it was a mid 60's photo... she looks to be too young, but if it is in fact a 50's photo then she would have been in her twenties.... which is more likely.....
Can I ask when the gentleman was born? that may help with the time-line...
Patricia
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I think you've cracked it Pels - I didn't think so until the photos you posted, but checking the site Yorkslass posted, there are a few photos where you can see the slightly "hooded" right eye that is quite clear in the original photo. I would date the photo 1958-61 by the styles
Steve
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Two reasons it's not Marion Ryan.
1. Cos I know what she looks like and her face is much rounder than this woman.
2. See comment by Sandmc.
I'm still looking...
Bob
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Dad was born in 1926.
I didn't say in previous post - I do like the photos - very good evidence.
Also reiterate these photos - there are others - were taken in early 19602.
Dad told me a short while ago he had some really good shots of Frank Sinartra - but someone nicked those.
Bob
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Two reasons it's not Marion Ryan.
1. Cos I know what she looks like and her face is much rounder than this woman.
I agree ... she was on TV 25-30 times a year from 1956 to 1963 ("Spot the Tune").
I don't remember her with hair like that.
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It's a julie christie,twiggy era type of haircut.
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Oh well - what a shame.
Thanks for coming to my rescue, Mike, Jenny, Yorkslass and Steve.
I would date the photo 1958-61 by the styles
My friend agreed with you about the dates being 1958-61, Steve.
Two reasons it's not Marion Ryan.
1. Cos I know what she looks like and her face is much rounder than this woman.
2. See comment by Sandmc.
I'm still looking...
Bob
I have to say I think you were a little ungracious with your first response, Bob.
Pels.
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I've been following this with fascination and comparing all the "possible" pictures that people have put up or pointed to. I do think the gallery of Marion Ryan pointed to by Yorkslass looks very, very likely -- especially the one at http://www.rootschat.com/links/0rw8/ in particular, with a not dissimilar hairstyle (and dated 1958).
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Hi
Apologises for any ungracious responses - no meant at all.
I know you have put a lot of effort into proving the Marion Ryan case - ... but my comment still stands - the women in the photo isn't her.
I'm looking at your photo of Marion along side this women and, as I said earlier, the shape of the face is different. Ms X's face if thinner. To me they are chalk and cheese...
Bob
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Bob & Geoff, I agree with you, Marion Ryan's face was always very rounded even in her younger days, I remember her well from TV and I don't think the lady in your photo looks like her.
Pat
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It looks as though she isn't that well known.. :(
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Dad told me a short while ago he had some really good shots of Frank Sinartra - but someone nicked those.
It looks as though she isn't that well known.. :(
All credit must go to the person who only nicked the Sinatra pics, hepburn.
They must have thought that too ! ::) ::)
;D ;D ;D ;D
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My goodness but this is addictive.....
Here's another; could it be Carole Lesley....... she has a more professional make up... remember what they did with Marylin Monroe...
She can't be a too well known artiste or someone would have named her by now....
Patricia
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Pels......You're right there ,mate...
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Hi Patricia
Carole Lesley certainly has the look of Ms X.
Worth a much closer look.
I also agree with earlier comments Ms X is certainly not on the A list of celebrities, and now not sure about the B list...
Bob
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Hello Bob,
The lady in the picture reminds me of Sylvia Syms.
Ruby.
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Hi Bob,
This is the picture I tried to attach to my lst message.
Ruby
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This might help you, Ruby :
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Thanks Pels, my 2nd message didn't show the pictures either, how did you do that?
Ruby
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I had to change your file into a jpeg image, then resize it before it would download, Ruby. :)
Pels.
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I can see what you mean - but surely the mouth & eyes are both the wrong shape?
Steve
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8 pages and we still dont know ;D
I still think it is Sylvia Sims.
regards Sandymc ???
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8 pages and I still stick with Petula Clark
Regards
Malky
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I can see what you mean - but surely the mouth & eyes are both the wrong shape?
Steve
And I'll stick with Steve, on all counts.
Pels.
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After much deliberation Ive come to the conclusion she is not a singer or a starlet,she is..........Miss Glaxo 1962.
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After much deliberation Ive come to the conclusion she is not a singer or a starlet,she is..........Miss Glaxo 1962.
;D ;D ;D ;D
I'll second you in that !!
Pels.
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I think you might be right....
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Just to introduce another image...
Who wants to see my Dad with Miss World 1966 (Miss India, Rita Faria)?
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We all do, Bob...at least you know who this one is and we can just enjoy!
Monica
PS: Playing chicken on the road here....how did you arrive at Miss Glaxo :P
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Bob's dad was the chauffeur for the Glaxo chairman.........
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:-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[
How many of us Googled 'Miss Glaxo 1962'..............
Patricia..
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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:-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[
How many of us Googled 'Miss Glaxo 1962'..............
Patricia..
Me :-[ :-[ :-[
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And me.
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This photo was taken in 1966...Dad is older in this photo so post dates the first image.
Seen here with early 1960's silver Daimler - she was a beauty..
Oh yes...and that's Miss Reita Faria (Miss India & Miss World 1966)
Bob
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did she marry bruce forsyth!?
xin
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I remember watching Miss World that year and said that Miss India would win.
She was outstanding on the show
So glad we have solved the other young lady. Not really a singer then ;D
regards Sandymc
p.s. Brucie married Miss Puerto Rico Wilnelia who was Miss World in 1980
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ooooh thnx for that ;) ;)
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I remember watching Miss World that year and said that Miss India would win.
She was outstanding on the show
So glad we have solved the other young lady. Not really a singer then ;D
regards Sandymc
p.s. Brucie married Miss Puerto Rico Wilnelia who was Miss World in 1980
Sorry Sandy,we haven't solved the first photo ...
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My chicken has been splatted on the road by traffic then ::) ;D
Monica
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This photo was taken in 1966...Dad is older in this photo so post dates the first image.
Seen here with early 1960's silver Daimler - she was a beauty..
Oh yes...and that's Miss Reita Faria (Miss India & Miss World 1966)
Bob
Another great photo Bob!
Jules
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Just to throw a spanner in the works; http://youtu.be/JrkwoCzrQzA
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Just to throw a spanner in the works; http://youtu.be/JrkwoCzrQzA
She does look similar - not sure about her singing though. ;D
Jules
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Looked at the youtube, they didnt do close ups in those days, did they
Thought we knew who it was sorry. Looked at Joyce but without a close
up it could or couldnt be her. Never thought she could sing laugh.
Back to the drawing board then. ???
regards Sandymc
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have to ask Lionel ;)
xin
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How about Susannah York?
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The one on the left is definitely Susannah York.
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I agree the one on the left is indeed Susanna York.
I would say the one of the right is not.
However they have a very similar face shape...
Bob
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We need the photographic experts to check the two photos. I think the faces are the same, but one is very made up for a professional photo and the other was just a snap - I assume.
I've looked at photos of all the other young singers and starlets I can think of. I did think of Janette Scott but it's not her. Whoever it is seemed very shy on the original photograph. The hair is late 1960s I'd say, but the dress she's wearing looks 1950s, you can just see a large net skirt.
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The hair is late 1960s I'd say, but the dress she's wearing looks 1950s, you can just see a large net skirt.
It looks nearer to the 50s to me. The hair may be deceptive - it looks short from the front, but it may be longer and worn in something like a French roll at the back.
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If it is a French roll at the back then that was about 1962/3. I remember my hairdresser trying to get me to try that style, but I don't suit having my hair pulled from my face like that.
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this was my 60's French Roll.............. A lovely Italian hairdresser lady from 'RAYMONDS' salon --- oh for those days again.... :)
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I just had to know if this one had been solved and I have to say that I think Susanna Yorke is the closest look alike yet.
Carol
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I did think for a long time that it must be Sylvia Sims.
I have done a face comparison on old photos of Sussanna York and I
do think it is Susanna. The reason I think so is her eyebrows.
Even on old photos in different films Susanna always seems to have
the right eyebrow shorter than the left one. If you measure it down
over her eye the left eyebrow matches up with the corner of her eye.
The right one is always slighty shorter and never matches the right
corner of the eye.
I notice as well her neck she has a really noticable vein in her neck on
both of these photos you have now shown side by side.
I have seen a photo of her in Yellowbeard and she has the shorter
eyebrow and the vein in her neck. I have looked at my neck and I
havent got a vein like that in mine. I do hope this is Susanna as I want
to know ;)
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Kathy Kirby before the curls.
Patricia
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Doris Day?
https://www.hindustantimes.com/hollywood/doris-day-iconic-hollywood-singer-actor-who-sang-que-sera-sera-dies-at-97/story-M1Hk2kw75WpQePgduf1nAN.html
Carol
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Definitely not Doris Day.
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So many good suggestions put forward, and still I don't think the question has been answered.
However not giving up.... Watch this space...
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My money is on Marion Ryan.
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Marion Ryan (Possibly), Here's another.
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I must admin Marion Ryan is close/good suggestion.
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Might help to see all the three photos side by side:
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Still think it may be a young Kathy Kirby...
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Still think it may be a young Kathy Kirby...
All contributers, Go onto YouTube, and type into the search window: The Shakedown 1960 Kathy Kirby
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Still think it may be a young Kathy Kirby...
All contributers, Go onto YouTube, and type into the search window: The Shakedown 1960 Kathy Kirby
ADD: The Film 'The Shakedown' was made in 1959, and the Song 'Shakedown', sung by Kathy Kirby, was released in 1960. She appears in the Film, pre Her 1960s makeover.
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Contrary to what some people think, it was Sheila Buxton who sang in the film 'The Shakedown'
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I should have taken note of the Film Credits, as "The Shakedown" was actually shown on Talking Pictures TV, a couple of Nights ago :(
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Not Kathy Kirby. She always had longish hair flicked up at the ends and was very well known, so we oldies would have recognised her photograph.
And it isn't Sheila Buxton either - although she's not been suggested so far. She was a Mancunian and was the singer with the BBC Northern Dance Orchestra. I knew the wife of the (at the time very famous) TV presenter she had an affair with, she having met him when he was the presenter of TV shows she was in. His wife threw a brick through the TV screen one day when she saw them together on TV. That was in 1959/60.
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Re Sheila Buxton...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eI1o6jyu4vI
I wasn't suggesting Sheila Buxton was the mystery girl, just that she played the singer in 'The Shakedown' not Kathy Kirby, or so the above seems to confirm.
You can find the credits for the film on the internet, Kathy not mentioned there
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edit: Odd - her name has vanished ???
This is Marianne Faithful - seems right age, occupation and location but who knows ...
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Marianne Faithfull always had long hair. She still has even now. Also she wasn't born until 1946, so was only 14 in 1960. She used to hang around with The Rolling Stones andshe released a record in 1964 that made her more famous. That and the drug busts with the Stones I suppose.
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This is Marianne Faithful - seems right age, occupation and location but who knows ...
I can't see any resemblance at all. The mystery lady has different shaped eyes, a longer nose, a wider mouth with lips not so full.
I still think the style of dress is closer to 50s. If this was taken in the 1960s, it was early in the decade.
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I agree with Sloe Gin...the hairstyles of the 60s was very different, the look reminds me of Audrey Hepburn in 1950s.
Carol
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Marianne Faithfull always had long hair. She still has even now. Also she wasn't born until 1946, so was only 14 in 1960. She used to hang around with The Rolling Stones andshe released a record in 1964 that made her more famous. That and the drug busts with the Stones I suppose.
I don't recall what date the OP's picture was but do recall Marianne Faithful having very short hair in the early years - checked the web and there's dozens of pic's of her with that "urchin look" or just very short hair.
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I colourised the photograph on My Heritage, does this help anyone
There have been some great suggestions to date. x
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Ok, there are a few photos of Marianne Faithfull with short hair, but mainly she has long hair. Here's a photo of her with short hair. It's definitely not the girl in the original photograph. As I said before, Marianne Faithful was born in 1946, so was only 14 in 1960 and only 19 in 1965 and I thought the OP said the photo was taken early 1960s.
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What a nice job you have done patval on the photo :)
For me, I think it is likely Marion Ryan. Found a photo of Marion Ryan with a more comparable angle of her face when close up to the image we have. I see very strong similarities in particular with the line of the eyebrows, eyes and width of nose.
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Is She wearing the same earrings, in the coloured photograph, and the one above ?
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Fascinating thread and I can offer a new name, at least, I don't think she's been mentioned.
Can't remember much about her but she burst into fame about that time and, I think, faded just as quickly. I'll leave it to the experienced searchers to try and find her. She was called Sabrina.
Colin
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Not Sabrina. I think she wanted to be another Diana Does, nothing like the mystery girl.
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From what I remember of Marion Ryan she had quite a rounded plump face - but then she would have been older than the original picture. There are definitely similarities, also Lita Roza.
I agree, not Sabrina, I seem to remember she was known for certain attributes not shown in the picture ;D
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I've kept it b & w but hopefully made it better to compare with the others as the original is a snapshot without the benefit of lighting ... I'm voting Marion Ryan, cheers, Ian
I'm still getting the ERROR, there is a picture with the same filename ... clearly I've substantially altered the photo AND renamed it.
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It seems odd that we can't immediately identify her. Are you sure she wasn't an old girlfriend of your Dad's ? ;D ;D ;D ;D.
I recognised Miss World immediately as I'm sure others did.
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I've been trawling the internet in desperation I came up with this old photo of... Joan Collins... hmmm not a singer but a starlet...
I did say in desperation ::)
Patricia
xx
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I can't stop looking at this, and every time I look at the photo I see a young Julie Andrews. I can hear you all from here saying "Its not Her" ;D
I have downloaded the image and tried a "Google image" match without success ::)
Carol
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I see what you mean Carol... found this early 60's photo of Julie
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Could it be Vicky Carr who sang " It must be him "
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She's American, I think the OP's father would have mentioned that.
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She's American, I think the OP's father would have mentioned that.
I did say that's who she reminded me of, Not that it was her...but I knew you would know Lizzie. So your response came as no surprise.
Carol
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I’m confused. (Easily done sometimes…) ::)
Treetotal mentioned (not suggested) Julie Andrews.
Then wee mammy suggested Vikki Carr.
Then LizzieW said “She’s American”. That was 20 minutes after wee mammy wrote, so I assume Lizzie was replying to w.m.
Then Treetotal quoted Lizzie, as if Lizzie had replied to Treetotal.
??? ??? ???
Julie Andrews is British, Vikki Carr American. I can’t see the wood for the trees here… ??? ;D ::)
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Oh Karen, I'm the one who caused the confusion, I never saw WM's response as it had gone over to the next page so it's my fault, apologies all round :-[
I'll get my coat ::) ;D
Carol
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I'll get my coat ::) ;D
Carol
No! Please stay. ;D
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Certainly looks a lot like the actress/singer Shirley Jones. She was in the film "The Music Man" around this time.
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I think you've cracked it, Fogmoose ;D
She was also in Carousel and Oklahoma!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shirley_Jones
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I don't think so, the eyes are wrong. Looking at the original photo, the lady has more almond shaped eyes. Shirley Jones has rounder eyes.
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I think its just the angle of the older photo, and the lighting. She may be squinting a bit. Also the photo K posted is ~ 10 years later. If you look at photos of her from the correct time frame it looks like her. Of course, she is not British, but nobodys perfect ;-)
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I'm almost certain thats her now...
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Nose, chin and facial contour are exact. We could always ask her...she's still going strong!
Sorry pic is so big....I can't figure out how to fix it... Help someone!
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Reduced it slightly for you :)
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Thanks Monica!