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Title: Looking for John
Post by: LFS on Saturday 28 May 05 23:32 BST (UK)

Can anyone help
I'm looking for John Barker's birth and marriage - in censuses from 1881 to 1901 (living in Birkenhead) he states he was born in Ince in Staffordshire.  Unfortunately Ince does not exist and I can't find him in Hints which seems to be the nearest likely.  However, although he should have married ca 1874 I can't find a suitable marriage either (to his wife Mary Ann Archer from Alcester in Warwickshire), though a possible one turned up in 1887 in Birmingham with John Barker noted as widower - and it does seem likely this is the right couple.  However, I don't know where to go from here.  Anyone any suggestions. please?

Title: Re: Looking for John
Post by: Bryan. on Saturday 28 May 05 23:57 BST (UK)

Hi

There is an Ince in Cheshire and it is 12 miles from Birkenhead.

Bryan

Title: Re: Looking for John
Post by: LFS on Sunday 29 May 05 22:44 BST (UK)

Thanks Bryan
Yes I know there's an Ince near Birkenhead, but he's known (according to his grand-daughters, now deceased) to have come from the Birmingham area, not the North-West.  All I know is he came from the midlands and was born ca 1846.
However, thanks for the suggestion
LFS

Title: Re: Looking for John
Post by: Keziahemm on Sunday 29 May 05 23:16 BST (UK)

Hi, 

This may be your family although John Barker's is given as born c 1857.

1881  RG11/3570  Folio 16  Page 1  Municipal Borough of Birkenhead
address:  15 Acton Road, Higher Bebington, Cheshire

John Barker   Head   Mar   24   Gardener    b:  Stafford. Ince
Mary Ann Barker   wife   Mar   28                 b:  Warwickshire Alcester
Charlotte A Barker   dtr   6                          b:  Cheshire Birkenhead
William Barker   son   4                                         ditto
Mary Ann Barker   dtr   2                                       ditto
Ethell Barker  dtr   11m                                         ditto
Joseph Washington  Lodger  unm  28   Gardener   b:  Cheshire   Eastham

Hope this helps

Susan  ;D

Title: Re: Looking for John
Post by: Keziahemm on Sunday 29 May 05 23:34 BST (UK)

1871  RG10/3196  Folio 100  page 3  Milverton  Warwickshire

Mary Ann Archer  19  unm   Servant      b: Warwickshire  Alcester

Susan  :)

Title: Re: Looking for John
Post by: LFS on Monday 30 May 05 00:06 BST (UK)

Thanks to Susan and Susan for your suggestions - the trouble is, it's only John's birth I can't find - he must have met Mary Ann somewhere - perhaps I should ask someone to look through the 1871 Milverton Census entry for him - he ws also in service as a gardener and they must have met somewhere.  Thanks again.
LFS

Title: Re: Looking for John
Post by: Keziahemm on Monday 30 May 05 20:09 BST (UK)

Hi,

Can't find him in Warwickshire in 1871.  On the 1881 census his year of birth is  1857 you say he was born c 1846, I know mistakes are made in census returns, but can you be more specific as to birth year?  There are a number of John Barker's on 1871 born in Staffs. (no "Ince" I think this is probably Hints specially as the enumerator would be local to Birkenhead and probably wouldn't know of Hints).


Susan  :)

Title: Re: Looking for John
Post by: zena 5 on Monday 30 May 05 20:56 BST (UK)

Hi
 Hints was very small village ,the nearest villiage  to that is Hopwas , which is about 2 mile from Tamworth, sorry i carn't help more,
 Zena

Title: Re: Looking for John
Post by: Keziahemm on Monday 30 May 05 21:10 BST (UK)

Hi LFS

Have found birth for a John Barker  1849 June qtr. Tamworth  Vol 16  page 76.

also 1847   Lichfield (sorry forgot to note details  ???)

Have a look at www.staffordshirebmd.org.uk

Susan  :)

Title: Re: Looking for John
Post by: LFS on Thursday 02 June 05 23:50 BST (UK)

Dear All
Thanks for all your help.  As far as I know he was born ca 1846, info supplied by the 1891 and 1901 Censuses - the 1881 seems to be incorrec t.  Yes, Hints is just S.W of Tamworth, but I can't find a suitable birth there and he isn't in the Tamworth area for the 1851 Census.  So far the Lichfield birth to William and Dorothy (nee Cope) in 1847 seems to be most likely, and is very interesting, not only because his birth is posthumous, but also because his departed papa was an out-pensioner of the Chelsea Hospital, among other things.  However I haven't succeeded in linking him to my John.  ObviouslyJohn must have met Mary Ann somewhere;  unfortunately though there are Barkers in Alcester I haven't managed to connect him to them, nor to the area where she was in service in 1871.  However, frustratingly enough I have found a John Barker, a gardener like our John, in Aston in 1871 married to Catherine, who apparently comes from Salop, but no place name supplied.  Could this be my John.  I just don't know, but he does seem to be very elusive.  John retired with Mary Ann to Carnarvon (1901 Census), but I haven't yet found his death.  I'm hoping the 1911 Census when it comes might shed some light, but there we are.  Frustrating isn't it ::)  But again, thanks for all your help - you've been very kind - I've only just joined Rootschat - hopefully eventually I will be able to help someone else.  Thanks