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I have a William Henry Ellis Born 8 June 1868 Greymouth New Zealand Died 1938 Brunswick Junction, Australia.
William Henry was stable hand for horses being shipped to India.
He jumped ship in Geraldton when 14 years old and walked to Nannine. Married Margaret Amelia FEWSTER 11 Nov 1877.
When older he started a cordial factory there and also had a mail run to Star of East banintha, Quinns, Barrambu.The run took 4 days.
After Nannine collapsed, he worked on the rabbit proof fence with camel and dray and lived on it.
Parents John ELLIS ?1832, Cornwall, England Mary Ann THOMAS Leith Scotland died 10 Aug 1880 Arahura New Zealand.
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Hi Nita,
I suspect you are looking to go back further.
However here is a death notice for a baby, Hazel, daughter of William and Margaret in 1902
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article25514349 Also a funeral notice
regards,
Ros
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And here is death notice for William Henry Ellis in 1940
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article46365793
ELLIS.--On March 30, 1940 (suddenly), at Brunswick, William Henry Ellis, dearly be-
loved husband of Margaret Amelia, fond father of James (Rose Bay, Sydney), John
(Brunswick), Kenneth (Harvey); aged 76 years. Interred in the Anglican portion of
the Harvey Cemetery on March 31, 1940.
regards,
Ros
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Oh thank you so very much. I was getting really bogged down and could not move forward on this line
Nita
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William Henry Ellis Born 8 June 1868... He jumped ship in Geraldton when 14 years old and walked to Nannine. Married Margaret Amelia FEWSTER 11 Nov 1877.
In 1877 he would have been aged only 9 so either birthdate or marriage date must be wrong. If he was born 1868 then he would have been 14 in 1882.
Newspaper death notice makes him born c1864.
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William Henry ELLIS married Margaret FEWSTER in 1899 in Nannine,Western Australia according to the Australia Marriage index.
I think Margaret may have been born in 1877?
Carol
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Hi Nita,
Margaret Amelia Ellis died in 1962 in Perth, aged 86 father James G and mother Maria
reg #1163
W.A. BDM is free to search (but down at the moment :( )
http://www.bdm.dotag.wa.gov.au/_apps/pioneersindex/default.aspx
Here is her burial record (date of death 17-4-1962)
http://www2.mcb.wa.gov.au/NameSearch/details.php?id=KB00119146
The grantee for the burial gives us some middle names for a son (probably)
Another useful W.A. link is the reverse marriage index http://www.wamarriage.info/
where we see he married in 1925 to Grace B Maloney
regards,
Ros
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Hi Nita,
James Henry Murchison Ellis died 5-12-1976 aged 76 and here is his burial
http://www2.mcb.wa.gov.au/NameSearch/details.php?id=KB00154786
and this is his wife's burial (Grace Bridgid Ellis)
http://www2.mcb.wa.gov.au/NameSearch/details.php?id=KB00159921
regards,
Ros
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Hi Nita,
WA BDM has been playing up for me :( but now I can find more directly
John Newell Ellis was born in 1902 in Nannine to William Henry and Margaret Amelia Fewster reg 3413
James Henry Murchison Ellis was born in 1900 in Porlell (?) to William Henry and Amelia Margaret Fewster reg 3011
Hazel Miriam Ellis was born in 1905 in Nannine to William Henry and Margaret Amelia Fewster reg 4085
There are a couple of possibilities for birth of Kenneth - WA BDM do not include parents names after 1905.
Burial of John Newell Ellis died 3/10/1985 http://www2.mcb.wa.gov.au/NameSearch/details.php?id=KC00082222
regards,
Ros
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On here http://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/
can see service record summary for John Newell Ellis and can request digitisation of full record (costs money)
ELLIS John Newell, his Service Number - 80240 his DOB 04 Oct 1902 in NANNINE WA Next of Kin is ELLIS Jocelyn
and also
ELLIS Kenneth, his Service Number - WX5503 his DOB 17 Nov 1910 in NANNINE WA : He enlisted at Northam, WA . Next of Kin is ELLIS Mavis
regards,
Ros
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Oh my thank you I am over whelmed. Rapt. :)
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You're welcome :)
And also service record for
ELLIS James Henry Murchison, his Service Number S85161 DOB 30 Apr 1900 his place of birth is STAR-OF-THE-EAST (?) WA, he enlisted at Port Adelaide SA his Next of Kin ELLIS Grace
regards,
Ros
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James Henry Murchison Ellis died 5-12-1976 aged 76 and here is his burial and this is his wife's burial (Grace Bridgid Ellis)
I have this James as son of William is this correct?
Nita
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Sadly Mavis Maria Ellis (wife of Kenneth) died in 1941. Death notice gives names of children
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article47156330
regards,
Ros
( Yes James Henry Murchison Ellis is son of William and Margaret - the WA BDM was down and so I was trying to find the info more circumspectly)
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Kenneth Ellis 17 Nov 1908 Nannine, Western Australia Died 14 May 1982 Hollywood Hospital is my husbands grand father I have a nice photo of him.
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I am trying to chase the link back from NZ as I have no idea what to do here. I did try and get details from NZ but the request paperwork was difficult from here. They would not transact via email as most places I have dealt with. I have no family or friends there to research for me. My tree basically comes to an end there. If it can be traced to the UK I can then obtain records to verify the family history. (common name not helping at all) So I thank everyone who has helped me in this search.
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will be looking to get this record thank you Jerry my hubby didn't know this bit
ELLIS Kenneth, his Service Number - WX5503 his DOB 17 Nov 1910 in NANNINE WA : He enlisted at Northam, WA . Next of Kin is ELLIS Mavis
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INFO ONLY on Nanine for interest.
The townsite of Nanine is located in the Murchison Goldfields region, 735 km north east of Perth and 30 km south south west of Meekatharra. Gold was discovered in the Nannine area in 1890, the area being rich with gold, and by 1891 was the site of feverish activity. In 1892 John Forrest, the Commissioner for Crown Lands decided to have lots surveyed and a town site declared, although Forrest referred to the place as "Annean", the name of a nearby pastoral station. When the local miners heard the auction of lots was to be in Perth 85 of them petitioned Forrest to have the auction in Geraldton. The lots were surveyed in 1892, and the town site named Nanine, as "it is situated 10 miles from Annean Station and 3 miles from Nanine Wells", and was also the name of the proposed electoral district and adjacent gold mining lease. The townsite was gazetted in April 1893. Nannine is an Aboriginal name, "Nanine Wells" being first recorded by a surveyor in 1889. The meaning of the name is not known.
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Hi Nita,
You probably should remove the marriage cert (or a moderator will do so).
But some of the details like professions are important to help in the search, so include these in future requests.
I did look on NZ BDM for marriage of parents https://www.bdmonline.dia.govt.nz/ without success. I also looked on familysearch where there are a few possibilities but nothing obvious.
Perhaps we should ask the moderator to move to NZ board? ?
regards,
Ros
(adding thank you -I hadn't heard of Nannine before :-[)
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Okay sorry have just requested service records thank you
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The NZ site https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/Home/ says they will e-mail printouts to you (new service).
regards,
Ros
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Hi Nita,
In my first post I did ask if you were wanting to go further back and you replied that you couldn't go forward. That is why I gave you info (as well as I could with WA BDM being shakey ) about descendants.
However it seems you did want to go further back to ancestors in NZ and UK.
It is exciting that you have ordered war service record - they are so fascinating with photos and family letters. Well worth the money.
I am hoping that some NZ gurus will come on board but I guess I have filled a couple of pages with info that you already knew :( and that makes it harder for others to plough through.
So I guess another hint for future requests is to make clear whether you want to go back further and find out more about the ancestors, or to go forwards and find out more about the descendants.
All the best with your research
regards,
Ros
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Hi Nita,
I have been browsing through NZ newspapers and I found this letter to the editor from
John Ellis publican of the Newmarket Hotel Arahura
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=WCT18800923.2.15&srpos=10&e=--1880---1899--10-WCT-1----2john+ellis--
And Mary's death notice
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=WCT18800811.2.6&srpos=1&e=--1880---1899--10-WCT-1----2john+ellis--
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I have applied for Birth record for William thank you, I have also applied for service records for Kenneth. I am hoping both of these will lead me back to the next line of ancestors you have assisted so much. The NZ BDM is great works well.
Are yes also I will be clearer but I didn't know how much I could unwind. What you have done though is help me to stay straight with correct information also with how to get records. I am still hoping others will assist as they see a flaw or a link in my chain of events
You have also helped with direction on what to post. New nothing of a hotel and only know of Marys death through others
Nanine does not exist any more I have been able to get the odd photo from archives.
I have a possible birth place of Leith Scotland for Mary Ann nee Thomas so with the death notice of age 37 I might have a further run with this.
As we currently have it :) :) :) :) :) ;D ;D
The NZ site https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/Home/ says they will e-mail printouts to you (new service).
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=WCT18800923.2.15&srpos=10&e=--1880---1899--10-WCT-1----2john+ellis--
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=WCT18800811.2.6&srpos=1&e=--1880---1899--10-WCT-1----2john+ellis--
ELLIS Kenneth, his Service Number - WX5503 his DOB 17 Nov 1910 in NANNINE WA : He enlisted at Northam, WA . Next of Kin is ELLIS Mavis
Kenneth Ellis 17 Nov 1908 Nannine, Western Australia Died 14 May 1982 Hollywood Hospital
Mavis Maria Ellis (wife of Kenneth) died in 1941. Death notice gives names of children
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article47156330
James Henry Murchison Ellis died 5-12-1976 aged 76 and here is his burial and this is his wife's burial (Grace Bridgid Ellis)
ELLIS John Newell, his Service Number - 80240 his DOB 04 Oct 1902 in NANNINE WA Next of Kin is ELLIS Jocelyn
http://www.bdm.dotag.wa.gov.au/_apps/pioneersindex/default.aspx
Here is her burial record (date of death 17-4-1962)
http://www2.mcb.wa.gov.au/NameSearch/details.php?id=KB00119146
The grantee for the burial gives us some middle names for a son (probably)
Another useful W.A. link is the reverse marriage index http://www.wamarriage.info/
where we see he married in 1925 to Grace B Maloney
William Henry Ellis Born 8 June 1868... He jumped ship in Geraldton when 14 years old and walked to Nannine. Married Margaret Amelia FEWSTER 11 Nov 1899.
I have a William Henry Ellis Born 8 June 1868 Greymouth New Zealand Died 1938 Brunswick Junction, Australia.
William Henry was stable hand for horses being shipped to India.
He jumped ship in Geraldton when 14 years old and walked to Nannine. Married Margaret Amelia FEWSTER 11 Nov 1877.
When older he started a cordial factory there and also had a mail run to Star of East banintha, Quinns, Barrambu.The run took 4 days.
After Nannine collapsed, he worked on the rabbit proof fence with camel and dray and lived on it.
Parents John ELLIS ?1832, Cornwall, England Mary Ann THOMAS Leith Scotland died 10 Aug 1880 Arahura New Zealand.
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Hi Nita,
didn't the marriage cert say that John Ellis was a publican? (or did I confuse the 2)
I was hoping to find an obit to John with lots of background but haven't done so yet. Any idea when he died?
If no-one else comes along then I suggest that you post on the NZ board focussing on the NZ aspects. Something like ...
John ELLIS and Mary Ann ELLIS (nee Thomas)
Mary Ann Ellis died 10 Aug 1880 at Arahua
They had a child William Henry Ellis in 1868 in Greymouth NZ (who lived and died in Australia).
John Ellis was a publican.
Looking for any information about their arrival, marriage, children. John was believed to have been born in Cornwall c 1832 and Mary Ann Thomas was from Leith in Scotland.
cheers,
Ros
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Hi, I stumbled across this post when searching for my great grandfather's war enlistment.
He was Kenneth Ellis W.A his eldest daughter is my grandmother. I'd love to connect with you NITA!
I know it was from 12 years ago. I hope you receive this