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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Carmarthenshire => Topic started by: strictlysnoopy on Thursday 15 November 12 10:54 GMT (UK)
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Annie Rowe was born in Devon, listed in the 1901 census as residing in Pontypridd Glamorgan. Her spouse was Charles Rowe, born in Bodmin Devon, they had 3 children,
Charles Rowe, Edwin John Rowe and William Joseph Rowe.
The family story is that she had connections with Burry Port and is found in the 1911 census as visiting Burry port, but I have failed to find any connections to relations living there.
Can any body help? Thanks
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Presumably this is them in 1901?
Reference RG13, Piece 5004, Folio 130, Page 19
14 Halswell Street, Llanwonno, Mountain Ash, Glamorgan
Rowe, Charles Head M 35 Coal MIne Labourer b Bodmin Cornwall
Rowe, Annie Wife F 29 b Braunton, Devon
Rowe, Charles Son M 7 b Pontypridd
Rowe, Edwin J Son M 4 b Abercynon
Rowe, Joseph W Son M 4 months b Matthewstown
+ 2 boarders
Row, Henry Brother M 28 Coal Miner Hewer b Bodmin, Cornwall
And in 1891:
Reference RG12, 4420, 49, 30
14 Tower Street, Llantwitfardre
Rowe, Charles Head M 25 Quarryman b Bodmin, Cornwall
Rowe, Annie Wife F 20 b Braunton, Devon
Rowe, Henry Brother M 18 Quarryman b Bodmin
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I can't find a marriage - for Annie's maiden name?
The 1911 census suggests a marriage c1899?
There is a Samuel Rowe living in Burry Port - maybe he is related to Charles & Harry?
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yes that's them. Annie Rowe is my great grandmother, Edwin John Rowe my grandfather. I only knew that she came from the Barnstable area and had connections to Burry Port. What I find so confusing is that I cannot find birth or marriage records for her.
To add further confusion my grandfather has two different birth places, one for Pontypridd and the other for Penshiwceiles in Carmarthen. Again his records are proving elusive, none of my living relatives have any more information or certificates.
Thanks for the replies much appreciated I will go and further research Charles Rowe, maybe the answer lies there.
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Births: March qtr 1897
Pontypridd district vol 11a, page 544
Rowe, Edwin John
Once you have that birth certificate, you will have Annie's maiden name.
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Thank you very much. Will apply tomorrow, hope all will by revealed.
Is it true that you cannot view birth certificates but you can purchase them?
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Correct!
£9.25 from the GRO using the information I gave you.
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp
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don't think that mistranscribed place of birth is in Carmarthenshire. Looks like it should start Penrhiw.... top of the hill, and the most likely place is Penrhiwceibr which would match the Pontypridd birth reg.
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/Llanwonno/Penrhiwceibr/
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Hello
Dont know if i`m barking up the wrong tree but found this Baptisum
Edwin John Rowe
15 Dec 1898 at Penrhiwceiber,which is Glamorganshire
Son of Charles & Alice.Alice may have been mistranscribed
Kind Regards
omega
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The origanal gives Mum`s name Annie ,which i also noticed on 1901 her name given is Annie :)
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transcription on Familysearch
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VFHV-TY6
also this baptism
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VFZF-J2W
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Wow! that's fabulous. Thanks a million. Coming from Pontypridd it all makes sense. Penrhiwceiber is not far from the family home in Mountain Ash and St Catherines is the main church for Pontypridd. I know the library keeps the church records so I shall be visiting tomorrow. Why didn't Ancestry pick this up???
I talked to Joseph William Rowe surviving son this morning. His answer to the Burryport "connection' was Charles and Edwin worked in the coal mine there before joining up for WW1. He hasn't any recollection of his grandmother and said his father never mentioned her and he never knew about Charles. Makes you wonder.
Anyway thanks again.
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Hello strictlysnoopy
Sorry,forgot to say Welcome to Rootschat :)
I found the info on FindMyPast.
I dont know Devon but found these marriages on freebmd
Annie Ellery possibly married Charles Rowe
Mar q 1896
Plymonth
5b 410
Annie Basset possibly to Charles Rowe
Sept q 1896
Stoke D
5b 640
Have a good time tomorrow & good luck :)
omega :)
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there isn't any one site that has all the info, so using a mixture of sources can get you further. Familysearch has reasonably good Glamorgan parish records, have a look at this link
https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1®ion=UNITED_KINGDOM_IRELAND
The ones which show that they have images lead you to the images on FindMyPast. It it's Pontypridd library you're visiiting, looks like they have Findmypast access as well as much else.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0s7h/
Think you'll need a birth cert for one of the children to be sure of Annie's maiden name. Funny thing is, there isn't a Rowe birth registration to match the baptism for Charles Henry, so he may be registered under Annie's maiden name.
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So much to learn. Glad I came aboard.
Regards
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Annie has been revealed :)
Her maiden name is Annie Williams. The registrar was fabulous yesterday, she was so intriged by the story that she did a research herself, but unfortunately could only find the same results as us all. No marriage and no trace of Charles and Henry Rowe. Charles was named as the father for Edwin.
Thought that was very kind of her.
Back to the search
Snoopy
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think the registrar would only have the marriages registered Pontypridd, so they may have married elsewhere or with different names. There is this possible marriage
Annie Williams sept qtr 1901 Pontypridd vol 11a pg 977 with Edwin Rowe on the same page
Now, I've managed to match the other couple on the page, so they did marry each other. Using the free index on the 1911, there isn't an Edwin Rowe in the area married to an Annie. It's a possibility so maybe worth another call to the helpful registrar?
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I have tried using all the different childrens names for Charles Rowe Snr. to no avail.
Charles Rowe, Edwin Charles, Charles Edwin, William Charles and so on.
The first son is Charles Henry, Charles from her father, Henry brother.
Edwin John, Edwin? John her fathers name.
Joseph William, Joseph? William perhaps Charles second name or Charles Father.
None of the above give me a Charles Rowe born 1867, 66 or68 with a brother Henry born 1872,73, or74. in bodmin.
Thinking I'll leave this branch of the family for another day. Coincidence on the marriage though thanks. :)
Snoopy
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I suspect the brothers were born in the Bodmin area, but not Bodmin itself. There's a tendency to give the name of the nearest place people may have heard of, if you're some distance from home. I do it myself, people won't have heard of the village I grew up in, but there's a chance they have a vague idea of where Swansea is.
There's a Henry born Braddock of the right age with parents Charles and Mary Emma. This Charles is W(illia)m Charles on the 1871 census and the couple have a son, also, William Charles born Lanivet at the right time. RG10/2247 folio 46 pg 77. William Charles born Lanivet in 1865 shows up as Charles in 1881. ::)
This baptism
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=baptisms&id=1235384
and Henry's
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=baptisms&id=1272055
and more
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=baptisms&id=1272077
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=baptisms&id=1315276
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=baptisms&id=1315275
Family names??
;)
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Wow, as I've mentioned before so much to learn. How do you get to know all these very useful websites? Can't thank you enough Osprey, if by chance you are a supporter of the Ospreys will buy you a drink in the bar ;D.
Will certainly follow this up looks promising.
Ole, Ole, Ole,
Snoopy
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thanks to a Cornish ggrandfather, I've spent time checking resources for the area and there are plenty. Love to take you up on the offer, but it's a rather long round trip from the central belt of Scotland!
;D
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this birth reg?
William Charles Rowe june qtr 1865 Bodmin vol 5c pg 109
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:-[ Perhaps an international?
This has to be the right family with all the right names and dates, especially so with the twins Edwin and Joseph, which ties in nicely with Charles 3 sons Charles Henry, Edwin and Joseph.
Thanks again
Snoopy
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I checked at the North Devon RO for you today - they hold transcripts of some local PRs. Under Braunton baptisms I found the following:
8 Sep 1872 Anne d of John & Mary Williams, labourer
Further children of this couple:
Lydia 21 May 1865
Thomas 16 Sep 1866
Frederick William 22 Dec 1867
Henrietta 4 Sep 1870.
Unfortunately the transcripts for marriages only goes up to 1837, but FreeBMD has a John Williams marrying Mary Rooke in the June quarter 1863 in Barnstaple district ( ref 5b 845). It might be worth following up. If you think this might be the correct family, I could check the microfiche marriage entry for you
Steve
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Thank you so much Steve. I did manage to trace back to the marriage of John and Mary, but didn't have the baptism of Annie.
My biggest moment of triumph was finding the marriage of Annie and William Charles in Redruth Cornwall 1887. ;D
For the moment I'm going to leave Annie and continue with Charles and his siblings.
Thanks again
Snoopy
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Hi everyone, I have now researched the tip Steve gave me, unfortunately it's not "my" Annie Williams.
Her great grandson contacted me through Ancestry and his known facts do not match mine.( he has the original birth, marriage and death certificates).
I've tried giving her different birth dates, Barnstaple instead of Braunton, Ann instead of Annie but other than the other "annie' no record at all.
What am I doing wrong? :-[
Regards
Snoopy
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have you followed up on the marriage that you found? Though Redruth would be an odd registration idstrict for someone further east in Cornwall marrying someone from Devon.
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Hi there Osprey.
I made the novices mistake I'm afraid. It was for a marriage of Annie Rowe to a Charles Rowe :-[
There is a Mary Ann Williams b1872 Braunton but she is still in Braunton on the 1891 census.
I'm really stumped, any suggestions greatly received.
Cheers
Snoopy