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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Ayrshire => Topic started by: Loquitur on Monday 26 November 12 01:33 GMT (UK)
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Found this site by chance. I'm pretty new to researching my family tree but the surnames of Hunter and Wilson from West Kilbride feature heavily in the papers I have found so far. Great grand parents Christina Wilson (father David Wilson and Margaret Harvey Law (Wilson) Hugh Hunter (father Thomas Hunter and mother Mary Kean (Hunter). There is a Quintin Wilson with the same parents as Christina Wilson. David Wilson's parents were William Wilson and Janet Richmond (Wilson) both married in West Kilbride. Janet Richmond (Wilson) mother was Agnes Craig and father Thomas Richmond. Interestingly William Wilson's father was William Wilson and Agnes Craig Wilson. I'm wondering how this can be other than some form of change in relationship. William Wilson's father was Quentin Wilson and his mother was Hannah McGee.
Can anyone help with the siblings of Christina Wilson and Hugh Hunter? There is some thought she was orphaned around the age 9 and siblings killed in a house fire but can find no evidence of this?
Also interested in the Barbour, Craig, Law, Stalker, Hunter, Wilson, Kean and Richmond families in West Kilbride 1740 - 1900.
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Hi Loquitur
I am going to add the link to your other similar post on the Lanarkshire board so that do not duplicate on searches and information.
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,440610.msg4734950.html#msg4734950
Normally best to just add just one post for any particular request although I can see why you have also added this post info on the Lanarkshire board in this case.
Monica :)
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Hello Loquitur,
Here is a 1881 census of David Wilson, and his wife Margaret Harvey Law.
161 Stirling Road, Glasgow, Lanark.
David Wilson, Head, Journeyman Joiner, M. age 30 years, M. born West Kilbride, Ayr,
Margaret Wilson, Wife, M. age 27 years, F. born West Kilbride, Ayr,
William Wilson, Son Scholar, age 6 years, M. born Glasgow, Lanark,
David Wilson, son age 3 years, born Glasgow, Lanark,
Alexander Wilson, Son age 2 years, born Glasgow, Lanark,
Thomas Wilson, Son, age 4 Months, born Glasgow, Lanark.
Only birth of the sons is William Wilson, born 02/July/1874. High Church, Glasgow, to parents David Wilson, and Margaret Harvey Law.
Did you also know that Thomas Hunter, and Mary Kean's, parents were born in Ireland.
Regards,
Jonn.
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Thanks John, extremely helpful.
I find lts all quite confusing. I have David Wilson's death certificate from what you told me. Died 56yrs father william wilson and mother jane or janet wilson maiden name richmond. Wiliam was a molecatcher. David wilson died of cardiac weakness and odema of the lower limbs.
Born 11 February 1851 West kilbride
Married 31 December 1873 West Kilbride
Died 19 July 1908 West Kilbride
His daughter Christina Wilson was born 1895 in West Kilbride married 1913 In West Kilbride after her father's death. At the time of her marriage her usual residence was Dalry.
I wonder what happened prior to her marriage.
Can the 1881 and 1891 census be compared?
I can't find a death certificate for Margaret Harvey Wilson unless she remarried.
Thomas Hunter and Mary Kean appear to have married in West Kilbride 23.11.88 with parents Thomas and Martha Hunter.
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This strand links to the same family line.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?action=printpage;topic=494756.0
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From the 1881 census that Jonn posted earlier, this looks to be the family in 1891:
David Wilson 40, fireman joiner
Margaret Wilson 37
William Wilson 16
Robert Wilson 15
David Wilson 13
Alexander Wilson 12
Thomas Wilson 10
Catherine Wilson 8
Janet Wilson 6
Margaret Wilson 3
Agnes Wilson 3 Months
Address: 214 Garngad Rd, Dennistoun Glasgow
I assume you have the 1901 census, after the birth of Christina, with the family living back in Ayrshire?
What did Christina's marriage cert say regarding her mother, Margaret Law? Was she still showing as alive then in 1913?
Regarding the years before Christina got married, have you searched for the family's 1911 census entry?
Monica :)
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Hello Loquitur,
Thomas Hunter's, parents were in fact Thomas Hunter, and Martha Mcinnie, both Irish, the name Mcinnie on the birth of their children in West Kilbride, comes up with lots of variations.
Martha Hunter Mcinnie, died 1876, aged 48 years, in West Kilbride.
Regards,
Jonn.
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John/Monica - Thanks.
Christina Wilson's birth certificate shows she was born 30.11.1895 at West Kilbride; her marriage certificate shows she married 6.10.1913 at West Kilbride. Her death certificate cant be viewed as yet on SP but was around 1972. The birth and marriage certificates show David Wilson journeyman joiner as her father and Margaret Harvey law.
On the marriage certificate at 1913 its shows she was usually resident in Dalry.
I can not find her on the census records.
I cant find the family having moved to Glasgow in 1901 and I cant see a Christina Wilson listed on the 1901 census information. her father David died on 19 July 1908 at West Kilbride so he wouldnt be on the 1911 census for Glasgow or West Kilbride. David wilson's birth certificate shows he was born 11 Feb 1851 at West Kilbride with parents William Wilson and Janet Richmond at West Kilbride. Christina Wilson's mother Margaret Harvey Law (Wilson) - I havent been able to trace a death certificate and the only SP death certificates with the same name introduces Mitchell which doesnt seem right. Margaret Harvey Law's marriage certificate shows her parents are Robert law and Catharine Law at West Kilbride. Robert law and Catharine Law married on 18 May 1846. I cant trace them beyond that.
On the Hunter side of the marriage his birth certificate shows Hugh Hunter was born July 1889 at West Kilbride to parents Thomas Hunter and Mary Kean and is consistent with the marriage certificate. His parents Thomas Hunter appears to have been born on 29 september 1867 at West Kilbride and his wife wife mary kean I have no information. Mary kean and Thomas Hunter were married in November 1888 year before his birth. Thomas Hunter's parents are listed on as Thomas Hunter and Martha Hunter. Mary Kean's parents are listed on the marriage certificate as John Kean and Mary reynolds at West Kilbride (assumed living there). I have no information on John Kean. Mary Reynolds could have parents James and Jean barbour; James barbour being related to Ephraim and Mary Barbour.
Thats as far as I have got.
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This is the Wilson family in the next census, from 1901, with everything found so far:
David Wilson 50, joiner
Margaret Wilson 47
Alexander Wilson 22
Janet Wilson 16
Margaret Wilson 13
Agnes Wilson 10
Christina Wilson 6
Address: Main Street, West Kilbride
Monica
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On the marriage cert that you have for Christina in 1913, father David would have shown as deceased, what about mother Margaret? Was the word deceased after her name?
Monica
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Christina Wilson's mother Margaret Harvey Law (Wilson) - I havent been able to trace a death certificate and the only SP death certificates with the same name introduces Mitchell which doesnt seem right. Margaret Harvey Law's marriage certificate shows her parents are Robert law and Catharine Law at West Kilbride. Robert law and Catharine Law married on 18 May 1846. I cant trace them beyond that.
Margaret's mother, Catherine, her maiden name was Taylor? At least one birth showing here https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XYYT-T26 Nothing showing before the start of official registration in Scotland from 1855.
With a birth showing in 1856, assuming parents remained in Scotland, you should be able to find their death certs hopefully on SP.
Added: Possible census entries:
1851
Robert Law 31, Hand Loom Weaver (cotton)
Catherine Law 26
David Law 4
Catherine Law 2
Christina Mclachlan 23, lodger, labourer's wife
Address: Overton Row, West Kilbride
1861:
Cathrine Law 37, Emp Cotton Winder
David Law 14
Christina Law 12
Alexander Law 9
Margaret Law 7
Robert Law 4
Address: Ritchie Street, West Kilbride
You would need to check the original image for 1861 to confirm Catherine's marital status, but there is a death showing on SP for a Robert Law in West Kilbride in 1858 (just from general searches). Possible also for Catherine, much later in 1903.
Monica
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That's great - could not find Christina on FS facility.
Father was deceased on the marriage cert but Margaret Harvey Wilson wasn't.
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I am struggling too with the death of Margaret Law. Always possible she didn't die in Scotland. She may have left Scotland to join any one of her children who may have left with their families.
On Margaret's father Robert's line, just found this:
Robert Law (or Harvey), 37, June 3, 1858 at Miller's Row, West Kilbride,
Married, Weaver,
Parents: David Harvey, Dyke Builder, and Margaret Law
Catherine Law (or Harvey) Wife, (X)
Someone has kindly transcribed 1858 deaths here www.ayrshireroots.com/Genealogy/Records/Post%201855/Ayrshire%201858%20Deaths.htm This gives you the explanation behind the use of the middle name Harvey. It looks like father Robert was illegitimate and went by either the reputed surname of father (Harvey) or mother's maiden name (Law).
Monica
Added: As you can see from this old post connected with Margaret's eldest sister, the middle name of Harvey was used with a number of the children. http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/AYRSHIRE/2000-11/0973725752
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Hello Loquitur,
The Kean's on the 1881. census, Address, Overton Rd. Big Well, West Kilbride,
John Kean, Head, Ag Lab, M. age 48 years, born Ireland,
Mary Kean, Wife, M. age 43 years, born Ireland,
Mary Kean, Daur, Field Worker, age 16 years, F. born West Kilbride,
Alice Kean, daur, Scholar, age 8 years, F. born West Kilbride,
Jane Kean, Daur, age 5 years, F. born West Kilbride,
Alexander Kean, Son, age 2 years, M. born West Kilbride.
Mary Kean, daur, was born 31/Jan/1865. West Kilbride, to John Kean, and Mary Reynolds.
As in the wife of Thomas Hunter, ie Martha Mcinnie, Mary Reynolds, surname on some of the childrens births has several variations, ie Ronalds.
They are all there on the IGI. up to 1874.
Regards,
Jonn.
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Hello Loquitur,
The 1881 census, for the Hunter's.
Address, Halfway Street, West Kilbride,
Thomas Hunter, Head, Ag lab, W, age 52 years, M. born Ireland,
Hugh Hunter, Son, Stone Mason, age 15 years, M. born West Kilbride,
Thomas Hunter, Son, Scholar, age 12 years, M. born West Kilbride,
Margaret Hunter, Daur, age 10 years, F. born West Kilbride.
As i stated on a earlier post Thomas Hunter's, wife Martha Mcinnie, died 1876. west Kilbride.
The son Hugh Hunter, was born 08/May/1865. to parents Thomas Hunter, and Martha Mcinnie, in West Kilbride.
Regards,
Jonn.
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Hello loquitur,
There are eight births for Thomas Hunter, and his wife Martha Mcinnie, on the IGI. for West Kilbride, one in particular is for a daughter Elizabeth Hunter, born in 1855. this would be a excellent purchase from Scotlandspeople, as there are normally a lot of extra information on that year for births, should include where Thomas, and Martha, were married and year of marriage some time prior to 1855. may even be in Ireland.
Regards,
Jonn.
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I found the parish church marriage record for the marriage of Robert and Christine Law but doesn't list the parents in the book.
I've got a few updates to make now :-)
In terms of search census records: how do I go about this on familysearch?
Also findmypast.co.uk and ancestry.co.uk seem a better deal financially in terms of census record search - is this the case then using SP to obtain specific bmds etc?
Kind regards
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Each source of info and records does diffent things really. Depends on what you are trying to do and where you are with your research.
Family search is simply an index of mostly birth and marriage entries. As an index, it has in most cases little info apart from dates and basic details. Scotlands People is the only source for original full records (images from the parish and statutory registers). Family Search indexes also stop early for Scotland, normally around 1875, although with the revamp that has gone on, you do find the occasional later birth or marriage index entry.
Findmypast and Ancestry only have really the census transcripts up to 1901 (1911 only available on SP). Useful when trying to find households/people. Original images though are only available on SP.
Monica
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Hello Loquitur and John, I may be a long way behind you, but will list my information for you.
My father was Hector McKenna Hunter (1900-1987) of Hughenden Qld Australia. He had three brothers, Charles (1989-1908), Hugh (1896- 1967) & Ian Benn (1903-1983). They were sons of Hugh Hunter, born 1865 in West Kilbride and died in Hughenden, Australia. He married Lilly May Sarah Christison in Charters Towers Australia on 21/6/1894.
Hugh's parents were Thomas Hunter and Martha McKenna off West Kilbride. I have also seen variation of Martha's maiden name, but my father was given the second name of McKenna for her family. I hope this is of interest. I may have more information hidden away, but this is it for now. I am interested to know if you have found out any more information.
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Hi John
I'm not clear of the connection that you are trying to establish from the information you have.
I'd like help if I can. The connection I have is Hugh Hunter born 1889 to parents Thomas Hunter and Mary Kean. Thomas Hunter father was Thomas Hunter and mother was Martha. Mary Kean father was john Kean and Mary Reynolds whose parents were James Barbour and Jean Barbour; James Barbour's parents where Ephraim Barbour and Mary Barbour.
Do you know the name of Hugh Hunter's siblings?
Look forward to your news.
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Hugh Hunter brith certificate shows he was born 5 jun 1889 Meadowfoot West Kilbride Father Thomas Hunter railway surfaceman Mother Mary Kean (maiden name) married 23.11.1888 West kilbride
I'm wondering if the Hugh below is an uncle ?
Hello Loquitur,
The 1881 census, for the Hunter's.
Address, Halfway Street, West Kilbride,
Thomas Hunter, Head, Ag lab, W, age 52 years, M. born Ireland,
Hugh Hunter, Son, Stone Mason, age 15 years, M. born West Kilbride,
Thomas Hunter, Son, Scholar, age 12 years, M. born West Kilbride,
Margaret Hunter, Daur, age 10 years, F. born West Kilbride.
As i stated on a earlier post Thomas Hunter's, wife Martha Mcinnie, died 1876. west Kilbride.
The son Hugh Hunter, was born 08/May/1865. to parents Thomas Hunter, and Martha Mcinnie, in West Kilbride.
Regards,
Jonn.
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Margaret Law was dead in 1913 when Christina and Hugh married.
From the 1881 census that Jonn posted earlier, this looks to be the family in 1891:
David Wilson 40, fireman joiner
Margaret Wilson 37
William Wilson 16
Robert Wilson 15
David Wilson 13
Alexander Wilson 12
Thomas Wilson 10
Catherine Wilson 8
Janet Wilson 6
Margaret Wilson 3
Agnes Wilson 3 Months
Address: 214 Garngad Rd, Dennistoun Glasgow
I assume you have the 1901 census, after the birth of Christina, with the family living back in Ayrshire?
What did Christina's marriage cert say regarding her mother, Margaret Law? Was she still showing as alive then in 1913?
Regarding the years before Christina got married, have you searched for the family's 1911 census entry?
Monica :)
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Monica
I've now managed to rework my complete tree. Did you happen to note in the 1891 census for David Wilson's children where they were actually born?
Thanks
Margaret Law was dead in 1913 when Christina and Hugh married.
From the 1881 census that Jonn posted earlier, this looks to be the family in 1891:
David Wilson 40, fireman joiner
Margaret Wilson 37
William Wilson 16
Robert Wilson 15
David Wilson 13
Alexander Wilson 12
Thomas Wilson 10
Catherine Wilson 8
Janet Wilson 6
Margaret Wilson 3
Agnes Wilson 3 Months
Address: 214 Garngad Rd, Dennistoun Glasgow
I assume you have the 1901 census, after the birth of Christina, with the family living back in Ayrshire?
What did Christina's marriage cert say regarding her mother, Margaret Law? Was she still showing as alive then in 1913?
Regarding the years before Christina got married, have you searched for the family's 1911 census entry?
Monica :)
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Could not find Elizabeth Hunter on SP for 1855, or before
Hello loquitur,
There are eight births for Thomas Hunter, and his wife Martha Mcinnie, on the IGI. for West Kilbride, one in particular is for a daughter Elizabeth Hunter, born in 1855. this would be a excellent purchase from Scotlandspeople, as there are normally a lot of extra information on that year for births, should include where Thomas, and Martha, were married and year of marriage some time prior to 1855. may even be in Ireland.
Regards,
Jonn.
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At long last I think your grandfather Hugh hunter born 1865 was a cousin of my great grandfather Hugh hunter.
Just to be clear you are saying
You
Your father Hector McKenna Hunter born in Australia 1900
Your father had three brothers Charles 1908, Hugh 1896, Ian Benn 1903 where were they born?
Their father was Hugh hunter born in west Kilbride 1865 died hughenden
When did Hugh hunter born 1965 move to Australia? Where did he meet and then marry Lilly?
Have you discovered anything else out?
Hello Loquitur and John, I may be a long way behind you, but will list my information for you.
My father was Hector McKenna Hunter (1900-1987) of Hughenden Qld Australia. He had three brothers, Charles (1989-1908), Hugh (1896- 1967) & Ian Benn (1903-1983). They were sons of Hugh Hunter, born 1865 in West Kilbride and died in Hughenden, Australia. He married Lilly May Sarah Christison in Charters Towers Australia on 21/6/1894.
Hugh's parents were Thomas Hunter and Martha McKenna off West Kilbride. I have also seen variation of Martha's maiden name, but my father was given the second name of McKenna for her family. I hope this is of interest. I may have more information hidden away, but this is it for now. I am interested to know if you have found out any more information.
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The 1891 census with more detail - all their children show as born in Glasgow:
David Wilson 40, fireman joiner b. West Kilbridge, Ayr Shire
Margaret Wilson 37 b. West Kilbridge, Ayr Shire
William Wilson 16
Robert Wilson 15
David Wilson 13
Alexander Wilson 12
Thomas Wilson 10
Catherine Wilson 8
Janet Wilson 6
Margaret Wilson 3
Agnes Wilson 3 Months
Address: 214 Garngad Rd, Dennistoun Glasgow
A member submitted entry here https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/MP5X-SYZ which might fit with this 1851 entry:
William Wilson 24 Molecatcher b. West Kilbride
Janet Wilson 24 b. Dalry, Ayrshire
Thomas Wilson 4 b. West Kilbride
William Wilson 2 b. West Kilbride
David Wilson 2 Months b. West Kilbride
Address: Seamill, West Kilbride Ayrshire
Monica
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Monica
Thank you
That's a really big help.
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Hi Loquitur,
All four sons of my grandfather Hugh Hunter were born in Hughenden, Qld. Charles, the second son, drowned in the Flinders River in Hughenden and is buried there. Hugh lived in Hughenden and on a property outside of Hughenden, but died in Brisbane. He is buried in Hughenden. Hector lived all his life in Hughenden and is buried there. Ian Benn lived in Hughenden as an adult but spent time in Cloncurry, Halifax and other Queensland towns. He is buried in Hughenden.
Hugh Hunter (born in West Kilbride 1865) married Lilly May Sarah Christison on 21/6/1894 at the Presbyterian Church in Charters Towers Queensland Australia. Hugh travelled to Cairo from Scotland with Adam Black before coming to Charters Towers. I do not know what year they arrived. Lilly was born in 1869/or 66 (there are varying records) in Lochlee Forfar and came to Townsville in Australia in 1885 when she was 16/19, depending on the date of birth used. She worked for a Mrs Langtry of Charters Towers, so this would be where she met Hugh. Hope this helps.
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Thank you for getting in touch.
That's really fascinating stuff. It looks like the Hunters did manage to get to most continents.
Very kind of you.