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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Derry (Londonderry) => Topic started by: Belfast beau on Wednesday 19 November 08 00:34 GMT (UK)
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Hello .
I'm a two year old researcher new to genealogy and RootsChat, trying to find a wedding date for my 2G Grandfather John Irwin and wife Jane surname unknown. Jane died 17th July 1873 aged 63yrs, John died 15 Feb 1883 aged 77yrs, both had been living in Tircorran, Aghanloo, N'limavady. The ages at the time of death suggest birth dates of John 1806 and Jane 1810, any help or suggestions would be very much appreciated. Belfast Beau. :)
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Hi
Checked Emerald Ans no births for a John Irwin no marriages either.
J
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Hi Jcass.
Thanks anyway it was a two horse race, and as usual I pick the wrong one. Could I ask you try Tircorran Agahanloo. I have a John Irwin Married to Jane no maiden name, Sons Daniel, William,Alexander who died 1875, I have dates for the weddings and Alexander's death but two others Thomas and Martha are proving elusive. Any help greatly appreciated. Belfast Beau.
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Civil registration of Catholic marriages in Ireland started in 1864 (from 1845 for other marriages). There will be no marriage certificates before these dates. For earlier records you need to search for church records (if they exist). Going by the estimated birth years of John and Jane Irwin it's more than likely they were married before 1845.
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At the time of Griffiths valuation [1858-1859], John Irwin was residing in the townland
of Rathfad in Aghanloo parish residing in a house valued at 10 shillings, which he rented
from a William Fleming. His name is also listed in Tircorran but he did not reside there - he appears to have been looking after or in charge of a Limestone quarry of 16 perches[disused]. There was no valuation associated with the quarry, which suggests again that it was not in use. It was on the estate of the Marquis of Waterford.
The 1831 census [head of households only] lists only 2 Irwin families in the parish of Aghanloo:
Widow Irwin in Ballyhenry and Jervais Irwin in Dirtagh.
Church records are sparce for the parish of Aghanloo but the parish was close enough to Limavady it is always possible that the family may have had church links to the town
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1871 sale catalogue of The estate of John H. De La Poer. Marquis of Waterford
Lot No. 109
The Townland of Tircorran
Thomas Boreland 58 acres 3 rods 26 perches
Representatives of James Oliver 62 acres 2 rods 23 perches
Representatives of John Douglass 50 acres 3 rods 35 perches
Rev. George Craig 14 acres 2 rods 26 perches
Total 187 acres 0 rods 30 perches
Lot No. 119
The Townlands of Spanvey, Rathfad, Part of the Townland of Drumbane, and the Townland of Ballybrissell
Sarah Martin and Michael King 203 acres 3 rods 24 perches
executors of John Martin 166 acres 1 rod 16 perches
183 acres 2 rods 34 perches
265 acres 3 rods 16 perches
Total 819 acres 3 rods 10 perches
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Hi
Record Type Civil Birth
Date of Birth 21 Jan 1874
Name Martha IRWIN
Gender F
Fathers Name John IRWIN
Mothers Forenames Jane
Mothers Maiden Name HUTTON
Civil District Newtown Limavady
Sub District Dungiven
County Londonderry
This is all I could find of the names you have given
J
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Hi jcass.
I have a problem with this finding, My Gx3 grandmother Jane died Tircorran 17th July 1873 aged 63 Yrs. So the Martha daughter of John Irwin and Jane Hutton would have been born the year after her mother died. The death details for both John and Jane are registered, in Ireland register of deaths, Newtownlimavady, Bellarena. Is Bellarena a different townland?
Regards Belfast Beau. :)
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Hi jcass.
I have a problem with this finding, My Gx3 grandmother Jane died Tircorran 17th July 1873 aged 63 Yrs. So the Martha daughter of John Irwin and Jane Hutton would have been born the year after her mother died. The death details for both John and Jane are registered, in Ireland register of deaths, Newtownlimavady, Bellarena. Is Bellarena a different townland?
Regards Belfast Beau. :)
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Bellarena townland is in Magilligan Parish and Tircorran in Aghanloo parish- both in Newtown Limavady Poor Law Union.
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Hi Aghadowey.
Thanks for that little tit bit I'll try searching Magilligan churches.
Regards Belfast beau. :)
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Bellarena is an electoral district which covers some of the townlands in the parish of Aghanloo as well as the parish of Tamlaghtard (Magilligan)
Regards
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Hi
Sorry my info didnt help you at all, must be a different one. Just keep digging you will get there.
J
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HI Gortinanima.
I don't suppose you know if Jervais Irwin or the widow Irwin had any children in 1931 John would have been 31yrs. Dirtagh where and what is it townland or other? I think that the family belonged to Drumachose presbyterian church,Daniel married Jane XXXX there in 19XX, but that could have been the brides church.
All suggestions welcome regards. Belfast beau. :)
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Dirtagh is a townland about a mile SE of Tircorran but seperated from it by a shoulder of the Binevenagh Mountain. I also think that Drumachose would have been the bride's church as there is a nearer Presbyterian church to Dirtagh at Derramore.
Regards
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hi there Belfast Beau and co,
Though I have done a lot of social history research over the years, I am new to researching my own family history so still have a lot to uncover.
But I believe that my great grandfather is one of the Irwin's you refer to later in the posts as one of the sons of John Irwin.
William Irwin married Elizabeth Irwin (yes this is her maiden name) in Granagh, Aughanloo (this is the spelling on their sons birth certificate of 5th March 1884 but obviously an error and should be Aghanloo). It states that William is a farm labourer. I dont have any more information after this and so am hoping that yourself or someone could assist filling in any more of the gaps?
Many thanks! - John
ack! sorry - reading your post carefully this time I see that your John and Jane died before Williams birth in 1884... unless your William is the father of my William (makes him my 2G grandfather) and ... which would make John my (3G) grandfather....
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Hi John
I'm not so sure I can help, my William Irwin of Tircorran Aghanloo was married on 15th march 1876 to Hannah Reid of Drumbane. William was 26 years old and Hannah was 30, Hannah was a domestic servant and William a labourer. William's parents John Irwin and Jane MC. Allister and Hannah's father was William Reid a labourer. I'm not positive but I seem to remember having the same sort of problem over Aghanloo and Aughanloo, Aghanloo is just outside limavady, and there is a townland in Tyrone called Aghaloo. As I said I'm not sure if this helps or not but if you have anymore questions please feel free to ask. Good luck with your search. Belfast beau :)
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John,
I think that I may have found your family.
26 Nov 1887 William Irwin of Grannagh Aghanloo married Elizabeth Irwin of Ballycastle Aghanloo.
They were married in Dungiven.
Known children were
12 May 1876 Margaret
15 Jun 1878 Elizabeth died 1878
1 Jul 1879 Mary
12 Nov 1881 Anne
5 Mar 1884 Thomas Charles
29 May 1886 William
The children were all born in Ballycastle Aghanloo
Regards
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In my family tree of McGill/McCorriston there are several references to Irwin being sponsors to the children born to William McGill and Catherine Nee McCorriston
I shall list names and townlands given etc if that is of any help:
born 01 12 1871 in Carbullion
Sponser at Baptism William Irwin, Derrybeg and Eleanor McCorriston Myroe
born 11 03 1874 Sponsor William Irwin,Granagh and Ann McCorriston Largey
born 17 06 1876 Sponsors Charles Irwin Granagh and Mary Irwin Granagh
born 09 12 1879 Sponsors Charles Irwin and Eliza McNicholl
born 04 08 1884 Sponsors Henry william Irwin and Eliza McGill
this may give you some help of names dates and townlands
I have not included the childrens's names but will give them if yhou think it may help
Regards Gerald
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Hi John Irwin, I believe that there is a link between the above named Irwins and the McGill/ McCorriston families
only because they appear as sponsors who were generally family cousins etc Gerald
if you think there might be I would be delighted to compare notes
Gerald
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Hi Edenreaghbeg.
You may have some connections to John Irwin but I don't think my Irwin's would have been in a position to sponser anyone, if it meant the same thing then that sponsor means now.
Belfast beau.
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Oh Sorry belfast beau What I meant was that they were God parents to my Great Grandparents children when they were christened and not sponsors financially as in todays meaning
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No Worries Edenreaghbeg. If you don't ask you'll never find out but I don't recognize the place names. Happy Easter. Belfast beau.
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kingskerswell,
many many thanks for providing that information, please accept my apologies for not posting sooner.
I do believe that you are 100% spot on with that family listing! They are my ancestors, and Elizabeth Irwin is my great grandmother, and William is my great grandfather through marriage (though I am thinking he is probably the brother or relation of Elizabeth's dead 1st husband? jumping to conclusions here)
I am still in the very early stages of researching my Irish family links - and was mostly concentrating on the Scottish- but now I have just discovered that my grandmother, (Catherine McDonald, who married Thomas Charles Irwin) - her father, James McDonald & mother, Matilda Gallacher, both emigrated from Ireland too ??? ! So that will be a seperate posting soon :)
Edenreaghbeg I will definately be in touch soon to see if there are links - or I can just send you the information that I have?
thanks again!
John Irwin
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Thanks John the info on the above Irwins is a the information I have on them
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I got Irwins married Harkins and Irwin married Forsythe Aghanaloo, Limavady. Irwin Drumachose (they are RC and Presp) Irwin McVeigh etc. If any good contact me.
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Hi All. Can anyone shed any info or help on John Irwin and Jane Mc Alister married early 1830's. Date and place of marriage would be great, birth places would would make Christmas very very happy. Belfast beau.
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Is this the same couple you asked about previously?
Hello .
I'm a two year old researcher new to genealogy and RootsChat, trying to find a wedding date for my 2G Grandfather John Irwin and wife Jane surname unknown. Jane died 17th July 1873 aged 63yrs, John died 15 Feb 1883 aged 77yrs, both had been living in Tircorran, Aghanloo, N'limavady. The ages at the time of death suggest birth dates of John 1806 and Jane 1810, any help or suggestions would be very much appreciated. Belfast Beau. :)
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Hi Aghadowey.
Yes its the same couple I think I have covered all the churches in the Limavady area at PRONI and visits to the local churches. Their children all have been recorded as Births marriages and deaths but can't prove wether they originated in this place or moved in from somewhere else. I keep bumping
into the old brick wall and was hoping someone might have some idea where I might try next. Belfast beau.
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There's no reason to start another topic looking for the same information so I've merged the new one with the existing thread.
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Is this the same couple you asked about previously?
Hello .
I'm a two year old researcher new to genealogy and RootsChat, trying to find a wedding date for my 2G Grandfather John Irwin and wife Jane surname unknown. Jane died 17th July 1873 aged 63yrs, John died 15 Feb 1883 aged 77yrs, both had been living in Tircorran, Aghanloo, N'limavady. The ages at the time of death suggest birth dates of John 1806 and Jane 1810, any help or suggestions would be very much appreciated. Belfast Beau. :)
27 June 1847 Long Tower, Co. Derry (Roman Catholic)
James Irwin
Jane Alexander
Witnesses: Philip Collins & Ann J. Scott
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Hi Shieldslad.
Thanks for your input but unfortunately the names don't ring any Bells. I have all their children accounted for Married, Buried and emigrated. I guess I'm going to have to spread the net wider. Again thanks for your offering Belfast beau.
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Hi Aghadowey. I didn't realise I could refresh a dated post, thanks for pointing that out. Belfast beau.
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Londonderry Sentinel Death
Thompson, John 08-Apr-43
On Tuesday evening, the 4th inst.,at the residence of his brother in law, William Irvine, Rathfad, John Thompson, Esq., formerly of Strabane.
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Coleraine Chronicle Marriages
02-Jan-47
On the 28th ult., in the Presbyterian Meeting House, Magilligan, Alexander Wark, Esq., M.D., Newtownlimavady, to Margaret Eliza, only daughter of Mr. William Irwin, of Rathfad.
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Coleraine Chronicle Marriages
02-Jan-47
On the 28th ult., in the Presbyterian Meeting House, Magilligan, Alexander Wark, Esq., M.D., Newtownlimavady, to Margaret Eliza, only daughter of Mr. William Irwin, of Rathfad.
Hi Gortinanima. Thanks for these two suggestions I'll have to make a journey to Oxford house to check these and other backlogs Thanks for your continued help Belfast beau.
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The following was extracted from the Vaccination register for Bellarena. It may add to the information you have about your family.
No120 Vaccinated Jane Irwin 5 mths Dec 9th 1865 Rathfad Catherine Irwin
No 604 Vaccinated Matilda Irwin 9 mths Dec 31st 1870 Rathfad James Irwin
No 673 Vaccinated Eliza Jane Erwin [sic] 6 mths 15 July 1871 Rathfad Matilda Erwin
No 812 Vaccinated Robert Irwin 8 mths 7th Jan 1875 Rathfad James Irwin
No 833 Vaccinated Margaret Irwin 7 mths 12th June 1873 Rathfad Daniel Irwin
No 948 Vaccinated John Irwin 5 mths 15th Sept 1874 Rathfad Daniel Irwin
No 1030 Vaccinated Catherine Irwin 6 mths 9th July 1875 Ballycastle James Irwin
Vaccinated Jane Irwin 3 mths 25th July 1877 Rathfad Daniel Irwin
No 1287 Vaccinated Samuel J Irwin 6mths 13th April 1878 Ballycastle Anne Irwin
No 1289 Vaccinated Joseph Irwin 6 mths 17th April 1878 Rathfad William Irwin
No 1497 Vaccinated Alexander Irwin 3 mths 24th Dec 1879 Ballycastle James Irwin
No 1578 Vaccinated Robert Irwin 11th Sept 1880 Rathfad Daniel Irwin
The names after the townlands were in a column headed ‘ Name and Residence of Father, Mother or person in charge of child’.
There also seems to have been Irwins living in Ballymaglin and Granagh townlands.
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Hi Cyclamen.
Magic, the vaccinations in Bellarena register are spot on I can recognise all but two. These two will need further research but at least they are new possibilities. I wasn't aware this sort of information was available, so thank you very much for your help. Best wishes Belfast beau
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Hi Cyclamen. Too eager to say thank you and I forgot to ask what were the vaccinations for in the 1800's. I cant believe that my Irwin's would have had the funds for private medicine, was this an all Ireland government scheme, or local councils? again Thanks, Belfast beau.
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Hi,
About 1852 the London government set up dispensaries in each Poor Law Union to provide medical care for the poor. The Limavady ones were Dungiven, Feeny, Ballykelly, Bellarena and Limavady itself. They also made vaccination compulsary and free and each dispensary had to make returns to the Poor Law Union Guardians who in turn has to make returns to the Poor Law Commissioners in Dublin. The Bellarena Dispensary building still stands but is unused.
Regards
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Hi Kingskerwell.
Thanks for the info have you any idea what the inoculations were for, did they cover all children's ailments. I forgot to ask was the Reid street photo ok? Belfast beau.
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Smallpox-
http://www.genguide.co.uk/source/Vaccination-Registers-amp-Certificates/51/
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Hi,
Yes, Reid Street photo was excellent. My apologies for not thanking you earlier.
Regards
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Kingskerwell,
a few years back at the start of this thread you gave me some amazing info on my family which I am still extremely grateful for :
Now that I have began concentrating on my Irish heritage I was wondering if you could advise me as to where that info came from? what online research or database should I be using? I have my Irwins, on the 1901 census living in Methodist Lane in Limavardy then moving to Scotland (at least some of them) which can be seen on my Ancestry tree. http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree/55888951/family?fpid=32203666755
John,
I think that I may have found your family.
26 Nov 1887 William Irwin of Grannagh Aghanloo married Elizabeth Irwin of Ballycastle Aghanloo.
They were married in Dungiven.
Known children were
12 May 1876 Margaret
15 Jun 1878 Elizabeth died 1878
1 Jul 1879 Mary
12 Nov 1881 Anne
5 Mar 1884 Thomas Charles
29 May 1886 William
The children were all born in Ballycastle Aghanloo
Any info would be great - just to add more info - both William's and Elizabeth's mothers were McCluskeys and were probably at least cousins.
thanks
John
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Hi John,
Sorry, but I cannot remember the source of that information. At the time I was searching for information on an Elizabeth Irwin whose death was registered in Limavady in 1884 and who died in Dumbane Aghanloo. a townland beside Ballycastle. I was using local church registers, and microfilm of church registers in Coleraine Library and at PRONI in Belfast but at the time I did not note sources (a big mistake). My Elizabeth Irwin was the mother of at least two illegitimate children and my great grandmother's brother was the father.
Regards
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Thanks for getting back to me so quickly. Hopefully someone will pick up on this thread and may shed some light on it too. I do find it a real challenge trying to get my head around the complexities and lack of the Irish records.
I hope you have a great time over the festive period.
Best wishes
John