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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Topic started by: Mairigunn on Saturday 08 December 12 21:11 GMT (UK)
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I am building my father [George Gunn]'s family tree.
George Gunn
b, 1917 Methill Fife
His father Alexander Gunn [had several siblings George, Thomas b. 1896, William b, 1898, Robert b.1900, Elizabeth b. 1891 and poss Janet
b. 1885 Edinburgh
m Jean Peden Herd b.Wemyss 1890 [or 92]
His father George Gunn
b. 1857 Canongate Edinburgh
m Elizabeth Burt b. 1865 Canongate
His father Alexander Gunn
b. 1812 [?] Dalkeith
m Christina Campbell b. 1817 St Cuthberts Midlothian
His father George Gunn m Elizabeth [Elesebeth] Gunn b. 1788 Latheron
I need more information about George and Elizabeth Gunn.
Someone thought that Alexander [b. 1812]'s parents were Robert Gunn m Ann Campbell, so that is something else I need to look at.
I wonder what was going on around 1800 in Latheron and wonder how/why they went to Dalkeith.
And why they spent so many years in St Cuthberts Poorhouse.
Hope someone has some clues for me or a handy hint or two...
Thanks
Mairi Gunn
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You could look for the St Cuthbert Poorhouse records which should give you info on the family
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You could look for the St Cuthbert Poorhouse records which should give you info on the family
.... but I fear you might have trouble finding them. If I recall correctly, the surviving St Cuthbert's parochial board records are very incomplete. Generally the minute books survive, but not the registers of applications or the registers of poor, which are the ones that contain all the interesting personal details.
To see what is available go to http://www.scan.org.uk/catalogue/ and search for St Cuthbert's Parochial Board. The surviving records are held by Edinburgh City Archives http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/cityarchives
As for what was going on in Latheron around 1800, you could do worse than take a look at the Statistical Account written in the 1790s. Go to http://edina.ac.uk/stat-acc-scot/ - click on 'Browse scanned pages' to view it free of charge.
As George Gunn was born in 1857, after the start of civil registration in 1855, there should be a death certificate for his father Alexander, assuming that he died in Scotland. This should tell you the names of Alexander's parents. You can get this from www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk at modest cost.
I can see why someone might have assumed that Alexander was the son of Robert Gunn and Ann Campbell. Imagine that this person has found a census record, perhaps the 1881 saying that he was aged 69, or the 1851 saying he was 39, and that he was born in Dalkeith. If that someone then looked for a baptism of an Alexander Gunn, in 1812 in Dalkeith, the nearest one to come up in the search is the son of Robert G and Ann Campbell, born in Edinburgh in 1811. They might then have assumed that because this one is the only one in the index, he must be the right one. This is very common, but unfortunately it is never safe to assume. It has been estimated that something like a quarter of all baptisms were never recorded.
There are two children of George Gunn and Elizabeth/Betty Gunn in the index at FamilySearch: Kathrine, baptised 1810 in Corstorphine, and Elizabeth, baptised 1820 in Edinburgh. You can view their baptism records at Scotland's People.
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Alexander died 12/11/1887 St. Giles, Midlothian - alas, he died in the Royal Infirmary and the the informant was from hospital and clearly had no knowledge of who A's parents were as this section is left blank.
Annette
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In that case you need to try to find a death certificate for the other Alexander Gunn so that he can be eliminated.
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Thank you so much for taking the time to reply. I have some homework to do...
I know that sometimes there is just a brick wall but I will continue this search following your kind instruction.
Thanks!
Mairi
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1861 census has this entry
Christina Campbell 44 Head born St Cuthberts occ shirt maker
Jessie Campbell 42 sister born St Cuthberts occ shirt maker
Elizabeth Campbell 39 sister born St Cuthberts occ shirt maker
Alexander Gunn 48 Lodger born Dalkeith occ Tailor
George Gunn 4 Lodger born Canongate
Address 5 Coopers Entry, Canongate
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1871 shows Alexander as Christina's brother-in-law and George her nephew
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Also by 1871 Christina is shown as Christina C. Gunn and not Campbell although odd that Alexander is shown as brother in law.
However, in 1891 she is living with George Gunn and shown as his mother (as indeed she is shown on his birth certificate) and it was he who notified her death and states she was widow of Alexander Gunn, tailor.
It looks like there wasn't an actual marriage between Alexander Gunn and Christina Campbell - she was unmarried and still a Campbell in 1851 and 1861, however:
1851 Census - 85 Grass Market, Edinburgh
Elesebeth Gunn widow 63 b. Latheron, Caithness
Alexr. Gunn son marr. 37 Tailor Journeyman b. Dalkeith
John Orr grandson 8 b. Edinburgh
Robert Murry grandson 2 ditto
(Spellings are as transcribed)
So in 1851 Alexander Gunn was already married although to whom is not known- Christina Campbell was unmarried as she still was in 1861 although as already mentioned, Alexander and George Gunn are living with her as lodgers!!
So, the 1851 census shows that Alexander's mother was an Elizabeth Gunn which does indeed prove that the Alexander Gunn born Dalkeith to a Robert and Ann is not the right person.
We just seem able to prove who he wasn't rather than who he was.
Annette
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Just a thought - if Elizabeth lived just four more years, there would be a death certificate. Have you looked for that?
It might also be worth looking for John Orr and Robert Murray in later censuses. They are likely to be the illegitimate children of Alexander's sister(s), and if you could find (a) marriage(s) and/or death(s) of John and/or Robert it would tell you the name(s) of the sister(s) and whether or not they were still living, and/or whom they married. Then their death certificates would tell you about their, and therefore Alexander's, parents.
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No I haven't looked for that. I am new to all of this and it makes my head hurt! Like navigating a maze in the dark. I think I should build an online tree to see whether it fits with anyone else's.
It's the first time I have come across some of these names and still wanted to confirm Alexander's parents name, which we seem to have now done.
I am so grateful for all this help. I must put aside a week to write it all out and research more links...
Mairi
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I think I should build an online tree to see whether it fits with anyone else's.
You may find that building your tree online, and viewing the data, is agonisingly slow, depending on which of the many web sites you decide to use. It is usually much quicker and easier to build and correct your tree offline using a genealogy program, of which there are several available. You can export from your offline tree to an online tree using the GEDCOM system for exchanging date. All decent genealogy programs are GEDCOM-compatible, and if you come across an online place that doesn't accept GEDCOMs, just go somewhere else.
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Hi.
Am trying to find info re the following
William Gunn
International Genealogical Index (IGI) birth: 6 September 1800 Capetown,Cape Of Good Hope,South Africa (Rep.)
• parents:William Gunn, Margaret Wilson
John Gunn
International Genealogical Index (IGI) birth: 1812 Barbados, Antigua, West Indies
death: 1812
• parents:William Gunn, Margaret Wilson
John Gunn
International Genealogical Index (IGI) birth: 1801 Newby, , Ireland
• parents:William Gunn, Margaret Wilson
Robert Alexander Gunn
International Genealogical Index (IGI) birth: 1806 Capetown, , South Africa
death: 1860
• parents:William Gunn, Margaret Wilson
Ronald Campbell Gunn
International Genealogical Index (IGI) birth: 1808 Capetown, , South Africa
• parents:William Gunn, Margaret Wilson
Male Gunn
International Genealogical Index (IGI) birth: 1803 of Newby, , Ireland
• parents:William Gunn, Margaret Wilson
Robert Alexander Gunn
International Genealogical Index (IGI) birth: 1806 Capetown, South Africa
• parents:William Gunn, Margaret Wilson
birth: 1776 Scotland
• parents:William Gunn, Anne Campbell •
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William Gunn
International Genealogical Index (IGI) birth: 1774 of Angus, Scotland
• parents:William Gunn, Anne Campbell
Elizabeth Gunn
International Genealogical Index (IGI) birth: about 1781 , , Scotland
• parents:William Gunn, Anne Campbell
George Gunn
International Genealogical Index (IGI) birth: 1776 Scotland
• parents:William Gunn, Anne Campbell
Robert Gunn
International Genealogical Index (IGI) birth: 1778 Scotland
• parents:William Gunn, Anne Campbell
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William Gunn
International Genealogical Index (IGI) marriage: about 1771 of Christ Church, Barbados, Antigua, West Indies
• spouse:Anne Campbell
The William Gunn who m. Ann Campbell was in the Military as was the William b. 1800 to Margaret Wilson.
#WILLIAM GUNN (1) (b. Thurso) m. 1771 #ANNE CAMPBELL (b. 1746 at Ayr, Ayr). Ann 2nd daughter of Ronald Campbell of Wick. Married in Barbados.
Children:
#William
John
George
There is also a record of a William Gunn marrying Katharine Campbell in 1771 at Wick & another in the same year & also at Wick marrying an Elizabeth Taylor.
#WILLIAM GUNN (2) (b. 1774 Thurso) m #MARGARET WILSON at Ayr, Ayr. 24/8/1799. Died in Barbados in childbirth. No other details although they did live, as part of a posting, on Reunion Island. William was in the Military & it is not known whether he was posted to Northern Island or went there to live.
Any help would be fantastic.
Regards,
Gary.
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Hi Gary,
I am also searching for info on William Gunn and Margaret Wilson who were married in Ayr on 24.8.1799.
(I have lots of info on descendants of William Gunn 1800-1868 in Tasmania, Australia)
I am very new to this searching so am still trying to work it all out!!
Cheers, Josie
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Hi Josie.
Thanks for the contact. My email is (*)
Cheers,
Gary.
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Hi Josie.
As I said previously I have found a lot of info re my line of Gunns. My phone number is 0247587298. I am in NSW.
Cheers,
Gary.
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Hi Josie.
Trust all is well.
#(William Gunn1728 - Unknown)
#William Gunn
Born in Thurso, Caithness, Scotland on 12 Dec 1728 to #Donald Gunn and #Katherine Water. b.c. 1695 Thurso.
1695
Mother's first name(s) -
First name(s) #Katharine
Mother's last name -
Last name #Water
Place Thurso
Gender Female
County Caithness
Birth year 1695
Country Scotland
Birth place -
Record set Scotland, Parish Births & Baptisms 1564-1929
Baptism date 14 Jul 1695
Category Life Events (BDMs)
Baptism place THURSO,CAITHNESS,SCOTLAND
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Father's first name(s) #John
Collections from Great Britain, Scotland
Father's last name #Water
#Jon.
County Caithness
Last name #Water
Country Scotland
Marriage year 1691
Record set Scotland, Parish Marriages & Banns 1561-1893
Marriage date 24 Oct
1691
Category Life Events (BDMs)
Spouse's first name(s) #Helen
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Spouse's last name #Bain
Collections from Great Britain, Scotland
Place Thurso
1661
Mother's first name(s) -
First name(s) #Jon.
Mother's last name -
Last name #Water
Place Thurso
Gender Male
County Caithness
Birth year 1661
Country Scotland
Birth place -
Record set Scotland, Parish Births & Baptisms 1564-1929
Baptism date 17 Oct 1661
Category Life Events (BDMs)
Baptism place THURSO,CAITHNESS,SCOTLAND
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Father's first name(s) #Jon.
Collections from Great Britain, Scotland
Father's last name #Water
Jon. Water
Sex Male
Father's Name Jon. Water
Father's Sex Male
Event Type Christening
Event Date 17 Oct 1661
Event Place Thurso, Caithness, Scotland
Donald Gunn
Birth21 Aug 1689 - Thurso, Caithness, Scotland
DeathUnavailable - Unavailable
MotherMargaret St. Claire (Sinclar)
FatherDonald Gunn
Born in Thurso, Caithness, Scotland on 21 Aug 1689 to Donald Gunn and Margaret St. Claire (Sinclar). Donald Gunn married Katherine Water and had 10 children.
Margaret St. Claire (Sinclar)
1666 – Unknown
Katherine Water
1695 - Unknown
Re: George Gunn Sinclair
« Reply #6 on: Monday 12 July 21 08:07 BST (UK) »
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Hi.
Thanks very much for that . It only confuses more. Found this.
Gary Allison
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Re: George Gunn Sinclair
« Reply #6 on: Monday 12 July 21 08:07 BST (UK) »
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Hi.
Thanks very much for that . It only confuses more. Found this.
Cheers,
Gary.