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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (East Riding & York) => Topic started by: trumpet on Tuesday 15 January 13 15:13 GMT (UK)
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Hi I am trying to find out about a Stanley Marshall who was born in North Shields in 1898 but lived most of his life in Goole from about 1918. Do not know the name of his wife have been told he had thirteen children all born around the Goole area.
Regards Trumpet.
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Hi and welcome
Did he marry in Goole as there are no marriages for his name in the Goole Registration district until 1941
Freebmd has some entries in Yorkshire but you need some more info to determine the right bride. If you know the name of at least one of his children - you can look the birth up on freebmd to get the mothers maiden name. That info will find you the right marriage - also using freebmd
www.freebmd.org.uk
This is his death registration
Stanley Marshall born 22 Sept 1897 died aged 81 December qtr 1978 Goole Vol 7 Pge 0310
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Hi trumpet
I do lookups at Goole library, if he married within the local area they may well have his marriage on fische. Also they have baptism's too. I may also be able to locate his burial place in the cemetery, they have Memorial Inscription records too.
If you send me as much info as you know of, his occupation, names of any children, if not in Goole itself then which of the villages, did Stanley have any brothers/sisters etc., there could be more than one Stanley Marshall and without a wife's name could be difficult, but I will go to the library and look for you.
There are still Marshall living in Goole too, who may well be related to your Marshall.
Regards
bendywendy
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hi bendywendy I am bit of novice at the computer but I will send what information as I can. Stanley Marshall died aged 81years December qtr 1978 in Goole vol 7 page 310. His mother was Margaret and father Robert Marshall of North Shields, Stanley was born in 1898 in north shields. His brothers were john robert,albert edward. henry brand.norman,william and a sister margaret laidler brand all of north shields. I am sure he had a daughter called Margaret she used to come and visit my auntie in the 70s 8os. The only memory I have of Stanley was he lived in Goole and had 13 children always told by my father.
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Hi trumpet
Just got in from being out all day, was at the library this morning, but wait... not for looking up, had to take the grandson to his music club for his mummy, geesh I was peeved that I could not go across the room to do the little deed for you, will be Friday at the earliest now :(
I have had a look and the only M******t M is to a mother with maiden name Sugden, but I cannot find 13 of them likewise, maybe some were born outside of the Goole registration district or maybe he married more than once, so other mothers maiden names will be different.
Because of data protection issues we cannot put any names etc publicly on RC because they could still be living.
I love challenges and this could be one of them, simply because there is no marriage in Goole until 1941. I am hoping to find a memorial inscription, by 1989 it is hoped he was buried and therefore had a headstone and his wife and children named upon it and if there is I will go and photograph it for you.
I will be back in touch asap.
b.
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Hi
I am hoping to find a memorial inscription, by 1989 it is hoped he was buried and therefore had a headstone
He died in 1978
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Hi Carole W
Blimey got all my 9 n 8's mixed up and missed the 7 ::)
I have got the correct date written down, too much time spent with the grandson.
b.
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Hi Bendy Wendy Thanks for the reply and also Carol W who I did not get back to, computers are still new to me. I have some new information that was sent to me might confuse you more.
Stanley married a lady call Cowling had son John F 1918 Stanley 1922 Richard 1936 I think there were a few Stanley Marshall in the area at the time.
Regards
Trumpet
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Hi trumpet
Now that maiden surname Cowling does come up on some births for Marshall children.
Cowling is also a well known name to parts of Rawcliffe nr Goole. Rawcliffe registration came under Goole, maybe that is where they may have lived. I know that Rawcliffe records are held at Goole library uptil a certain date, lets hope they go into the early 1900's.
Off to the library on Saturday, was going tomorrow, but I have to await a delivery, but if it arrives early enough I will trot to the library for you tomorrow.
Do you know if Stanley had another forename ???
I cannot find a marriage for a Stanley Marshall to a ?? Cowling, this could be possible that they didn't marry or that their names have not been transcribed correctly etc.. Will have a better look on sites later.
There are 3 births listed for children born to a Marshall father and Cowling mother Annie, John F & Stanley. Hopefully if they were baptised there will be records, just hope the fische covers these dates and gives us the mothers forename.
You are doing well with the comp, at least the messages are being posted and readable, if you get stuck just ask for help.
bendywendy
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There is no marriage between a Stanley Marshall and a spouse Cowling - anywhere in the time scale
In Goole - there is a marriage on freebmd between Richard Marshall and Kate E Cowling but your Stanley was only b 1897
There are only 5 Marshall/Cowling births in Goole
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Hi CaroleW
5 births, that would make Stanley only 16 yrs at the time of the first birth ??? when was the age reduced to 16 yrs for someone to marry without parental consent ???
I wonder if Stanley served in WW1, there is sufficient gaps in the first 3 births that could
suggest this, albeit any miscarriages/stillbirths.
I have had a look for WW1 Service Records but cannot find his.
And that other marriage for a Stanley Marshall to Jessie Abson Sep 1941 Goole could well be him. I cannot find any births to this marriage either.
bendywendy
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I think the 1941 marriage could be Stanley Marshall b 1922 mentioned in the earlier reply.
In Goole - there is a marriage on freebmd between Richard Marshall and Kate E Cowling but your Stanley was only b 1897
I was discounting this marriage in view of Stanley's age at that time, but mentioning it was the only Marshall/Cowling marriage in Goole which would account for the births.
I suspect that if the 1941 marriage cert was available for Stanley - it would show his father as Richard
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I wonder if we are making assumptions that Stanley married in Goole and that all children were born Goole?
He could have married anywhere and then just settled in Goole at a later date
I am sure he had a daughter called Margaret she used to come and visit my auntie in the 70s 8os
There is only one Margaret Marshall b in Goole mmn Sugden which does not link to a marriage to Stanley Marshall
Perhaps a copy of his death cert may throw up a clue re: address or possibly reported by one of his children
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It could well be the son.
Abson is also a name in Goole too, although not many.
Very possible he could have married anywhere and children also born anywhere.
Fingers crossed the fische's go into the early to mid 1900's and I can glean some info, hopefully some baptism records would be nice too and a MI, will look for that first.
b.
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Hi Bendy Wendy Thanks for the reply and also Carol W who I did not get back to, computers are still new to me. I have some new information that was sent to me might confuse you more.
Stanley married a lady call Cowling had son John F 1918 Stanley 1922 Richard 1936 I think there were a few Stanley Marshall in the area at the time.
Regards
Trumpet
Hi Trumpet,
The baptisms for Annie, John F and Stanley Marshall are available online
The parents for the 3 children were Richard and Kate Elizabeth Marshall.
Kelly.
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Hi Kelly
Thanks for that info, narrows down the list somewhat (unless Stanley became Richard, something to bear in mind when I am searching the marriage fische's tomorrow)
George W Marshall Jun 1913 Goole
and a much later one for Richard 1936 which I cannot think will be a sibling.
Is either of these online Kelly ???
Thanks
bendywendy
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Hi Wendy,
Looking on Freebmd there is a Richard Marshall born 1911 which says see Dec 1936. I think this Richard may be Richard and Kate's son.
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Hi Wendy,
George William Marshall is also the son of Richard and Kate, his baptism is FindMyPast.
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Hi Kelly
If trumpet was told he married a Cowling and had these same children's names then I think Stanley became Richard ??? and if he is the same person then he was only 14 yrs when this son Richard was born 1911 ???
Birth:
Richard M Cowling MMN Cowling Dec Q 1911 Goole then re-reg Marshall 1936
Found this marriage:
Richard Marshall to Kate E Cowling @ Goole Mar Q 1912 - if this is Stanley he would be 15 yrs !!!
Thanks Kelly for this valuable info for the baptism's, can you tell me where the baptism's took place for these children please.
b.
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Hi Wendy,
On the 1911 there is a Richard Marshall born 1877 York who is living in Goole. I think this Richard is more likely the one who married Kate.
This Richard is the son of Richard and Sarah Ann.
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Hi Wendy,
The baptisms took place at Goole Snaith.
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Confusion abounds ::)
I will keep all this in mind when searching tomorrow, but it does seem strange dosen't it.
Baptism's, thanks I know some of Snaith baptism's are held at Goole.
We need more info from trumpet.
b.
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Kelly
Is there a baptism for Margaret Marshall MMN Cowling born Sep 1951 Barkston Ash, this is in the area of Selby / West Yorks Reg dist.
Then there is another for an Audrey Marshall MMN Cowling born June 1955 Barkston Ash.
Their parents could be Reginal Marshall & Miriam Cowling Mar 1949 Barkston Ash.
trumpet said it was a Margaret that visited rellies, I am wondering if someone has got the story a little mixed up and missed a generation out ???
b.
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Hi Wendy,
Unfortunately, their baptisms are not on FindMyPast.
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Thanks Kelly
b.
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Visit to the library has been undertaken:
Entry in Monumental Inscriptions
Plot H No 747
In loving memory of a dear mother Jessie MARSHALL died 10th Jan 1955 aged 58 years
And a dear father Stanley MARSHALL died 22nd Nov 1978 aged 81 years.
I believe this is Jessie Abson whom a Stanley Marshall married @ Goole 1941
I have searched the fische's and there is no marriage in the church at Goole, I think this could well be a Civil Registry Marriage and those are not on fische, one has to apply for a copy of the marriage cert, which I think would be preferable to determine if either had been married before, thus knowning if Jessie's surname is her maiden name or a previous married name.
I have a copy of the plan of the sited grave and the graveyard along with a copy of the printed words for the MI.
I have been to visit the grave and there are 2 bunches of fresh flowers, so someone is visiting and maintaining this grave. I have also taken some photographs, but on my mobile, my husband forgot to bring my camera when he came to collect me at the library, will see if I can manage to fathom out how to upload to the comp :-\ I will then see what the quality is like.
trumpet, I will contact you by PM about my email address, for the photographs.
trumpet, you can place a letter on the Readers Page of the Goole Times asking for information regarding these names and if this Stanley had links to North Shields area etc.. I will put the contact details up after I have had my lunch for you. I am certain you will have a response due to fresh flowers being placed on the grave.
bendywendy
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trumpet
Details for having an open letter published in the Goole Times, Times Talkback feature -
Your letter MUST have your name & surname, address & postcode, email address (if you have one) and a telephone number - you can send you letter by email or post to:
editorial@gooletimes.info
The Editor, Goole Times, 102 Boothferry Road, Goole, East Yorkshire DN14 6AE
This feature is free. I will let you know if and when it is published.
bendywendy
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After much searching I now think I have answers to Stanley and Jessie, because the children may well still be living I cannot make any comments about them, although these are in the public domain by way of births and re-registrations.
I believe Jessie was Jessie Hirst, c1897 Goole
marrying 1st to John William Sykes 1915 he died 31 May 1916 in HMS Invincible, Battle of Jutland
then marrying 2nd George H Abson 1919 no certain death found
then marrying Stanley Marshall 1941
Re-registrations 1949
I will go back to the library to check out any baptism's to these marriages now that I have dates.
b.
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I am in contact with a distant rellie of the HIRST family, he has told me he has a contact for
the family of MARSHALL, but he is having difficult contacting this person, awaiting to see how things develop.
JESSIE MARSHALL & STANLEY MARSHALL PHOTOGRAPH OF GRAVE
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=pv&GRid=82278270&PIpi=53342320
Goole Cemetery
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=pv&GRid=82278270&PIpi=25689681
bendywendy
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My contact has now made contact with his Hirst/Marshall contact. This contact wants to speak with the remaining living children of Jessie & Stanley before saying anything else. It is very important that the feelings and privacy of these children are upmost, albeit they are now adults and elderly, but the facts are very personal to them and may not be known within their families.
trumpet, please do not go ahead with putting a notice in the Goole Times, lets wait and see how things go this way first.
bendywendy
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Hi Wendy
Many thanks for all the work you have put in,it is much appreaciated the photo was a added bonus it is brilliant. It would be interesting to know some history about Stanley Marshall after he left North Shields I am not to bothered about any dates and would not put any information on the internet but it is only for personel use Stanly being my uncle any my late dads brother.
many thanks Trumpet
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just doing a PM to you trumpet
bendywendy
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I have now made contact with 1 of the remaining 4 surviving children of Jessie & Stanley Marshall, she has just celebrated her 90th birthday and remembers many things relating to the Sykes/Abson/Marshall families.
I have PM trumpet, awaiting further details from trumpet before I can pass on any contact details.
bendywendy
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trumpet has now been given the contact details for her long lost cousin.
It is a pleasure to have helped reconnect these two families back together and I do believe they will have many happy times talking about each others families ;D
bendywendy
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Hi,
I’ve just stumbled across this post during some family research. I am the great granddaughter of Jessie and Stanley. I’ve been recently putting together a family tree. Any information you may have would be greatly apprenticed.
TIA
Ashleigh