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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Dunbartonshire => Topic started by: MissMacCallum on Monday 18 February 13 19:47 GMT (UK)
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Hi. I first posted this in the "Beginners" category, but this might be the right place?
I'm a Norwegian girl doing a little research on my Scottish family. I don't have much to go on, and can't seem to get the hang of the ScotlandsPeople site..
I'm looking for my grandmother Mary Mac Callum Cameron's family. She was born in Glasgow in 1927, and her parents names are John and Margaret Cameron (born Adam.)
I want to find out more about Margaret. I think the following information about her parents is correct:
(Area: Most of the results I have found on Margarets family comes from the Cumbernauld, Dunbartonshire area.)
James Adam - b. ca. 1875
Annie Adam (born Gilfillan) - b. ca. 1875 (could also be Anne/Anna.)
I have heard the name Leishman mentioned a couple of times, and that's why I think the following names is Annie Gilfillans parents:
James Gilfillan - b. ca. 1845
Margaret Gilfillan (born Leishman) - b. ca. 1844 (her fathers name was William Gilfillan, b. ca. 1804)
Does any of you have any way of doing some quick research to confirm or cancel any of these names? And if confirmed - the wife of William Leishman?
Any help is much appreciated, and I apologize for my English
Kine Marie.
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Hi. Welcome to Rootschat.
I have done a free search on scotlandspeople and have found a Margaret Adam born 1899, Cumbernauld. This is possibly your Margaret and on another website the 1901 census shows a Margaret Adam b c 1900 with parents James and Annie living at Auchinstarry Road, Starks Land, Cumbernauld. James was born c 1875 Falkirk and he was an Ironstone Miner. Annie was born 1875 Cumbernauld; George Gilfillan, 7, born Edinburgh was James's stepson and Margaret aged 1 was daughter born Cumbernauld.
I will continue to look for you.
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I have found the death of a Margaret Cameron, other name Adam in the county of Lanark [but I haven't searched for the district within Lanark] in 1952; born 1899 +/- 1year. This should give you the names of her parents which would be your confirmation. You will need to buy credits to view this death certificate.
You say that you are having problems with the scotlandspeople site. Can you tell us what you are finding difficult and perhaps we can help.
Rae
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Hi , and welcome :)
No need to apologize for your English , which is a million times better than my Norwegian :P
SP has Mary McCallum Cameron birth 1927 Anderston Lanark.
Also - John Cameron / Margaret Adam marriage 1920 Kilsyth Stirling
Would that be her parents ?
ev
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Thank you! :)
I managed to do some light searching on ScotlandsPeople with the information you found, and it confirmed that it most likely is my family. I had already purchased some credits, I just didn't know how to use them.. ;)
And the match for John Cameron / Margaret Adams marriage sounds right, as the first child in the family that I have information about is born ca. 1921. So I think that's my great grandparents :)
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I would have replied earlier but my internet connection has not been good tonight.
To view the record using your credits:
once you have searched and it says that there is a match, look to the right of 'do the search' and there is a green button which says 'view [1 credit]'. Click on this and the brief details of the birth, marriage or death will come up. You then have the chance to view and save the image by clicking on another button. This time I think it says 'view page [5 credits]. If you click on this button the certificate should come up on your screen.
This page will in future be in 'Your viewed images' which is at the top of the scotlandspeople page.
I hope this is helpful.
Rae
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Just to add to Rae's information............
James Adam / Annie Gilfillan marriage 1899 Cumbernauld Dunbarton(SP)
James Gilfillan / Margaret Leishman marriage 11th June 1868 Cumbernauld Dunbarton
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XTG4-Z5B
In 1881 William Leishman age 77 and his grandson James Gilfillan age 10 are in Cumbernauld.
Going by the 1841/1851 Census it would seem William Leishman's wife was Elizabeth.
Think Willam died 1884 in Cumbernauld , widower of Elizabeth McIntosh
ev
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There are limits to what you can view online at Scotlandspeople.
Births up to 1911 , marriages up to 1936 , and deaths up to 1961.
ev
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Thank you everybody :)
All the information is much appreciated. I'm even getting the hang of SP!
But it seems that this Elizabeth McIntosh person will slow down the progress..
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Yes , from what I can see Elizabeth died before the start of the offical records(1855)
She gives her age as 43 and birthplace as Kilsyth Stirlingshire on the 1851 Census.
This could be her but nothing to back that up :-\
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XT2Z-Y7P
ev
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OK. So, there has been some time since I've been working on this particular branch of the family, but when I today found the death certificate of Margaret Leishman (mentioned earlier in this post), her mothers name is given as someone other than the one on her marriage license..
To sum Margaret up: b. 1844 (Cumbernauld, Dunbartonshire), d. 1919 (Kilsyth, Stirlingshire.) Until now believed to be the daughter of William Leishman and Elizabeth McIntosh. Married James Gilfillan in 1868. Elizabeth stated as the mother on the marriage license.
The mothers name given on the death certificate on the other hand, is Jean Boyd. Never heard of this lady before. Williams wife Elizabeth dies in 1853, and he doesn't die until 1884, so of course there is a possibility that he remarried, but I haven't found any record of a marriage between William and Jean Boyd. And certainly she wouldn't be named as the mother on her possible stepdaughters certificate?
All other info on the marriage and death certificates matches up. Father, husband, age, place ++
And to make matters worse I can't seem to find a birth certificate for Margaret with either of the possible mothers' names. So confused!
Help?
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Hello again. It's always good to leave a difficult search for a while and return to it later. You seem to have made progress which has then thrown up another puzzle!
I had a look at the census returns this morning and found this in the 1861 census:
William Leishman b c 1805 New Monkland, Cotton Weaver
Jean Jack, wife, b c 1806 Cumbernauld
children: William 21; John 19; Alex 15; Ann 23; Margaret 17;
Boarder: Thomas From 8.
Jean Jack wasn't with him in 1871. Another puzzle! Haven't found her death so far.
When Margaret died in 1919 that was quite some time since her mother's death. Perhaps, James, her son and informant, only remembered a Jean being spoken about. That seems strange I know but it is the only reason I can come up with at the moment. Perhaps someone else will find out more.
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Ahh, yes, I remember stumbling upon a Jean Jack earlier with that census! Didn't think anymore of it as she didn't "belong to the family", but maybe she did become a part of the family later on.
If it's the same William Leishman she marries, then they married 14.10.1853 (so that would be just after Elizabeth's' death that occurred sometime between 1851-1853.) Jean dies 02.10.1864, so that would be why she doesn't show up in the next census with William.
Could absolutely be a possible answer to the mystery.. I have no idea why her surname would be given as Boyd on the death certificate of Margaret, though. I have a lot of Boyd's in the family, but they belong on Margaret's husbands side. So, for the witness, her son - could he be mixing the family names? Haha. He remembers the name Jean as his "step grandmother" on his mothers side, and then gives her surname as Boyd, which was his grandmothers name on his fathers side. Margaret died of/with senility, so there might be some time since he has been given any information on the family at all.
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It seems that the pieces are beginning to fit together. It did happen that the wrong names were given by informants. I've had that in my research too.
Is there anything else at the moment?
Good luck with your search.
Rae
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Yes, I think I have decided to go with the conclusion that William married twice, and that his grandson mixed the two (or three) grandmothers. It's seems the most likely answer at the moment.
Thank you for your input! Always helpful to get another persons thoughts on these mysteries :)