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I have a couple of mysteries I'm trying to solve and the answers may lie within the Hunstanworth 1861 census.
First of all there was a Sydney Ernest DENT living in Blackhill between 1891 and 1957 who named a daughter Amelia TURNBULL. My gt.gt.grandfather was George DENT who married Isabella TURNBULL in 1832 so would like to know if there is a connection. Sydney's father was Edward DENT who was born in Hunstanworth in the Apr/Jun quarter of 1858. Family Search do have Edward in the 1861 census shown as grandson of the Head of Family, but this doesn't tell us who his father or grandfather were. Hence my need for further info from the census.
Secondly when George married Isabella in 1832 the witnesses were Thomas MAKEPEACE and Jane TURNBULL. There is an excellent page in Blanchland History on the net with a great deal of information on the Makepeace family, but it doesn't tell us who Thomas Makepeace married. This same history tells us that Thomas had a brother called Michael Hudson MAKEPEACE. When George made out his will in 1863 the witnesses were Thomas and Michael Hudson Makepeace and two months later Thomas executed the Will. Again I can see from Family Search that Thomas is in the 1861 census but cannot link him to anyone else. I am hoping that the Census will show his wife as 'Jane', since an executor of a will is usually a family relation.
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1861 RG9/3726/42/25
Hunstanworth
George Dent 49 lead miner Yorkshire
Isabella Dent 46 wife
James Dent 26 son lead miner
Thomas Dent 19 son lead miner
Georg Dent 17 son Lead ore washer
John Dent 14 son
Jane Dent 12 dau
Elenor Dent 9 dau
William Dent 7 son
Joseph Dent 4 son
Edward Dent 2 grandson
William Snaith 26 son in law
Mary Snaith 22 Dau
Wife and children born Hunstanworth
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1861 RG9/3726/34/9
Michael Hudson Makepeace 41 farmer
Hannah Makepeace 29 Hexham Northumberland
Ann Makepeace 8
Frances Makepeace 6
John Makepeace 4
George Makepeace 6 months
Hannah French 15
Joseph Stephenson 45
RG9 3726/33/7
Thomas Makepeace 48 farmer 136 acres
Margret Makepeace 55 Foxham Northumberland
Thomas Makepeace 21
Frances Makepeace 19
John Makepeace 17
Whitfield Makepeace 17
Jane Makepeace 15
Margret Makepeace 2 niece
All other than wives born Hunstanworth. Both wives born Northumberland
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1861 RG9/3726/42/25
Hunstanworth
George Dent 49 lead miner Yorkshire
Isabella Dent 46 wife
James Dent 26 son lead miner
Thomas Dent 19 son lead miner
Georg Dent 17 son Lead ore washer
John Dent 14 son
Jane Dent 12 dau
Elenor Dent 9 dau
William Dent 7 son
Joseph Dent 4 son
Edward Dent 2 grandson
William Snaith 26 son in law
Mary Snaith 22 Dau
Wife and children born Hunstanworth
Many many thanks for this and the Makepeace finds. So Edward and Sidney really were relatives, though the connection with Thomas is still a puzzle. Nevertheless this is confirmation that he didn't marry Jane Turnbull. Again Thanks, Malcolm
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On same page FreeBMD
Marriages
Sydney Ernest Dent and Dora Turnbull
Dec 1/4 1907 vol 10a page 343
So the Turnbull may have come from Amelia's mother who could be related to Isabella Turnbull.
Births Dec 1/4 1912
Amelia T Dent, mother's maiden name Turnbull, Lanchester vol 10a page 697
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This looks like Dora in 1891
RG12/4074/109/9
Hunwick of Helmington
John Turnbull 35 Engine fitter North Beechburn
Margaret Turnbull 32 Howden and Wear
Margaret J Turnbull 13
Annie E Turnbull 11
Mary E Turnbull 9
John W Turnbull 7
Dora Turnbull 5 North Beechburn, Durham
All children born North Beechburn. Living in the District of Hunwick which is where Dora says she was born after her marriage to Sydney.
The next household down is
Matthew Turnbull 70 born Fatfield Durham
Margaret A dau 29 North Beechburn
George Gravett son in law bricklayer Hove sussex
Jane Gravett dau 40 North Beechburn
Louisa Gravett 15 granddaughter North Beechburn
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1881 RG11 4925/47/16
North Beechburn
John Turnbull 25 brakesman Hunwick Durham
Margaret Turnbull 22 North Bedburn
Margaret Jane Turnbull 3 Hunwick
Annie Turnbull 1 Hunwick
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1881 RG11 4925/47/16
North Beechburn
John Turnbull 25 brakesman Hunwick Durham
Margaret Turnbull 22 North Bedburn
Margaret Jane Turnbull 3 Hunwick
Annie Turnbull 1 Hunwick
Great Thanks again. I have wondered about Hunwick before since my grandfather's sister Martha Draffan was born in 1881 (I did find the census entry for the Draffans some years ago when Family Search gave much more info than they do now.)
Just a little sidetracking but an interesting mystery - I came across this http://www.hunstanworthhistory.org.uk/happened/belmount/ this morning. Just the job for Psychic Private Eye Tony Stockwell whom we saw on Wednesday evening at a dinner and demonstration at the Clover Cottage in Berwick, Melbourne.
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I think this is the Matthew Turnbull and dau Margaret A who were living next door to John in 1891 so Matthew is John's father.
1871 RG10/4934/91/61
Mathew Turnbull 50 engineer at colliery Chester le Street
Jane Turnbull 44 Witton le Wear
William Turnbull 17 joiner apprentice Hunwick
John Turnbull 14 joiner apprentice Hunwick
Margaret Ann Turnbull 9 Hunwick
Robert Turnbull 2 months Hunwick
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On same page FreeBMD
Marriages
Sydney Ernest Dent and Dora Turnbull
Dec 1/4 1907 vol 10a page 343
So the Turnbull may have come from Amelia's mother who could be related to Isabella Turnbull.
Births Dec 1/4 1912
Amelia T Dent, mother's maiden name Turnbull, Lanchester vol 10a page 697
This is quite a surprise although perhaps not what with so many Turnbull's popping up everywhere. My maternal line, haplogroup T2b, goes back to a Mary Trumble in Tanfield, who was gt.grandmother of Elizabeth Oliver born in Fatfield. It is all beginning to look more like a spider web than a family tree:-)
However there is a sad note:
13876 13849 13849 DENT Dent Amelia Turnbull daughter of Sidney 2 19
John Street, Blackhill Blackhill Cemetery 21 September 1915 Ma 464 Benfieldside
Again much thanks for your continued interest. Malcolm
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No problem Malcom, I like the hunt :)
After you have digested the info is there any particular thing you would like help in finding?
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No problem Malcom, I like the hunt :)
After you have digested the info is there any particular thing you would like help in finding?
That is such a kind offer. Alas, I feel that my brickwalls are a bit beyond solving. But then you never know. Years ago, in the early 1980's I was helping someone in Yorkshire who wanted to find her Willis gt.gt.uncles who came to Australia. We had no Internet in those days, just the IGI on microfiches and had to go to the Genealogical Society in Melbourne to read that. But I was able to uncover a heap of information from the Victorian State Library in their newspapers and directories etc. One of the Willis brothers though seemed to just disappear about 1870 and only reappeared in 1879 for his funeral in Melbourne. I tracked Benjamin down to Kew cemetery and then could only stand by his grave and whisper, "I've come to a dead end, you'll have to help me now, Benjamin". At that time working in a travel agency we were able to help people fill in their passport applications. Within the week one client told me her maiden name was 'Willis' so I told her how I had been looking for this Willis called Benjamin. "My Grandfather", she replied. Then I had the whole story of how he had gone to Dunedin in NZ and became a Chef there. Two months later my client visited Pam in Yorkshire.
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No problem Malcom, I like the hunt :)
After you have digested the info is there any particular thing you would like help in finding?
As it happens there is something else now, provided it isn't too much trouble and you have access to the 1871 census. I am following the search for an Isabella Dent on behalf of Ann in New Zealand. We think that she was born about 1867 in Hunstanworth though the only likely Isabella in UKCensus online is shown as being born in Lanchester. (1911 UKcensus online gives age as 44).
To confuse matters my own grandmother was another Isabella Dent who was 4 in 1881 and I have that census extract already.
This search stems from Ann's discovery that her grandfather John Thomas Walker married an Isabella Dent in 1913 when he was aged 50. John then died in 1916. Whether this is the same Isabella or not it would be interesting to find out who the Isabella Dent's aged 2 (b.Lanchester) and aged 3 (b.Stanhope) were. I suspect that either one of them may have been the daughter of John and Jane Dent who were in Delves Lane Consett in 1871 (from burial records), or possibly Thomas Dent the father of Edward whom you found in 1861.
Again Thanks for all your help so far, Malcolm
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No worries. I will take a look and get back to you. :) May not be asap as am trying to locate son's luggage which went missing 5 days ago between NZ, Sydney, Abu Dahbi and Paris!!
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Removed what I had written as you had already given the info
I am just working my way around it. be patient ;)
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No worries. I will take a look and get back to you. :) May not be asap as am trying to locate son's luggage which went missing 5 days ago between NZ, Sydney, Abu Dahbi and Paris!!
Fully understand, just very grateful for your help. I know too what missing luggage is like. I've had airlines leave it in Paris, Hong Kong(on arrival in Zurich in February without any warm clothing), Honolulu (they put it with outgoing luggage in the hotel), and in Turkey when we arrived in Istanbul on the Tauern Express and it had been taken off the train at Edirne -took a week to find it and get it to Izmir.)
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You said " I am following the search for an Isabella Dent on behalf of Ann in New Zealand. We think that she was born about 1867 in Hunstanworth though the only likely Isabella in UKCensus online is shown as being born in Lanchester. (1911 UKcensus online gives age as 44)."
This Isabella was nee Hardy and married John Dent in Lanchester March 1/4 1893 vol 10a page 349. He born Hunstanworth c1868.
I can't find a death of a John Dent 1911 - 1913 of suitable age which would allow this Isabella Dent to marry John T Walker.
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This Isabella was nee Hardy and married John Dent in Lanchester March 1/4 1893 vol 10a page 349. He born Hunstanworth c1868.
I can't find a death of a John Dent 1911 - 1913 of suitable age which would allow this Isabella Dent to marry John T Walker.
Wow. Feels like one step forward one step back. :-\
I've spent all day today on one of my own Dents, i.e. James Dent son of George and Isabella. I was really thrown off the scent by wrong transcription shown in a number of census records. For example James married a Mary and in 1881 there is John Treworth who was born in the same Yorkshire village as Mary. Turns out her name was Toward and the village varies from Lanesend to Langsdale to Langisdl to Lunedale in various census. Lunedale is correct and it was way up in Teesdale, once Yorkshire now Durham.
Lanchester was the registration district for Consett and Blackhill, so I suspect that John and Isabella Dent nee Hardy moved from Hunstanworth to Consett as did so many others from the defunct Lead Mines of Hunstanworth.
How sure are we of John's birth year as 1868? Just a thought that he may have been a bit older and so one of the other many John Dent's in the 1911 census. I think Ann in New Zealand is going ahead and ordering the marriage cert for Isabella and John T Walker which of course should solve this mystery.
Again thanks for all of your help. Malcolm
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This is the one age 2 you mention?
RG10/4958/74/34
Delves lane Consett Lanchester
John Dent 41 born Hunstanworth
Jane Dent 43 Northumberlan
Ann Dent 15 Hunstanworth
Jane Dent 14 Lanchester
Elizabeth Dent 8 lanchester
John M Dent 6 lanchester
Isabella Dent 2 Lanchester
And the one age 3?
Barhill Junction Preston Durham
John Dent 39 born Kelton Yorkshire
Isabella Dent 36 Seal House Yorkshire
Thomas Scott Dent 12 Kelton
John James Dent 10 Garnint Yorkshire
Margaret Elizth Dent 8 Wellington Durham
Joseph Lawrence Dent 6 Wellington
Miles Scott Dent 5 Barrhill Durham
Isabella Dent 3 Barhill
Mary Ann Dent 8 months Barhill
James Faraday 51 Lodger
Ordering the marriage cert is the best bet. :)
I got the age of John Dent who married Isabella Hardy from the 1911 census.
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And another one! This page is practically all Dent families
Sarah Dent head single 36 farmer of 2 acres Stanhope
Thomas Dent 44 sead? miner farmer 13 1/2 acres
Mary A Dent 41 wife
John Dent 19
Sarah Dent 11
Stephen Dent 9
Jane Dent 7
Hannah Dent 5
Isabella Dent 3
Mary A Dent 14
Frances E Dent 1
All born Stanhope
Also
John Dent 42 sead? miner Single
Sarah Dent sister32
both born Sanhope
Also
Joseph 34 sead?miner farmer of 47 1/2 acres
Elizabeth 34
mary A 6
Anna 4
John J 2
All born Stanhope
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This is the one age 2 you mention?
RG10/4958/74/34
Delves lane Consett Lanchester
John Dent 41 born Hunstanworth
Jane Dent 43 Northumberlan
Ann Dent 15 Hunstanworth
Jane Dent 14 Lanchester
Elizabeth Dent 8 lanchester
John M Dent 6 lanchester
Isabella Dent 2 Lanchester
Ordering the marriage cert is the best bet. :)
I got the age of John Dent who married Isabella Hardy from the 1911 census.
It has taken me a while to digest all of this, but first of all thanks once more. The John Dent aged 41 is the nephew of my gt.gt.grandfather George Dent, but he is also the gt.gt.grandfather of Linda Goddard in Florida who really kicked this present search off after I spotted her letter in Blanchland History ...see http://www.blanchlandhistory.org.uk/letters.php
Sarah, daughter of John and Jane above is missing from this census but I found her in UK census online where she is listed as a domestic servant aged 20 living in Durham and I would guess that would have to be Consett, though could be Sunderland since we know that she married William Grey (should be Gray) in 1875 and they then turn up in Sunderland in the 1881 census along with her sister Isabella.
One thing that puzzles, is why did she call herself 'Mary Isabella' in her marriage bond in 1889 just before she married James Henry Gray Dixon. She reverted to Isabella Dixon for subsequent census'. I note too that there was a Mary Isabella Dent in the 1871 census who was 10 years older than Isabella.
I'm keeping a separate file on the Stanhope Dent's who seem to have gone to that area before our Hunstanworth Dent's. But I have no idea who the Barhill Dent's might be.
More importantly, has the missing luggage arrived yet?
All the best, Malcolm
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Hi Malcolm
Good luck with sorting out all these Dents. Can't decide whether I have been a hindrance
or a help :)
I finally found a real life person in Sydney who said the bag was listed as loaded for Abu Dhabi but that is it. The only good thing is son decided not to take his own bike, which is worth more than our car, so only bike gear, advertising gear, and clothes. Luckily he had spare clothes and his job related stuff in his carry on bag.
Now the airline wants a description of the bag to help in a physical search. I have a description of my son but can't get at him :)
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Hi Malcolm
Good luck with sorting out all these Dents. Can't decide whether I have been a hindrance
or a help :)
I finally found a real life person in Sydney who said the bag was listed as loaded for Abu Dhabi but that is it. The only good thing is son decided not to take his own bike, which is worth more than our car, so only bike gear, advertising gear, and clothes. Luckily he had spare clothes and his job related stuff in his carry on bag.
Now the airline wants a description of the bag to help in a physical search. I have a description of my son but can't get at him :)
You have been a huge help and cannot thank you enough. But what a shame that scientists never discovered how to decode dna hundreds of years ago. We could have out haplogroups taken with every census.
You really are getting the run around with your son's luggage. I would have expected a lot more from the airlines. If the Turks could track down our missing baggage in the early 1960's without the aid of any computers then it shouldn't be that hard today - unless, and this is what I fear, they know that it is being pilfered on route. This has just given me an idea. Somebody should come up with suitcases that have built in gps detection devices. Good Luck Malcolm