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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Cork => Topic started by: carole daniel on Sunday 24 March 13 04:32 GMT (UK)
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KIDNEY Family - John Kidney born in 1790, wife, Mary (Clark) Kidney born in 1793, they lived in County Cork, with their son John Kidney born in 1821. I know they came from a place in Middleton and a place called Carrig twohill in County Cork, according to the Census of Canada. I believe the are either Methodist or Anglican by faith, they arrived Grosse Isle in 1845. They lived near Montreal Canada. What I want to know is their old life, who else they could be related to in Ireland. About the towns over there, as much as I can learn. I know about the life in Canada and about the younger John Kidney, (born in 1821), his grandson, Robert is father to my mother.
This is so important to me as I have researching the family since 1982. Please could you help me.
thank you,
Carole Lynn
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Hi can you let me know which Surname originated where i.e Midleton & Carrigtwohill.
I live in Midleton and may be able to do some research here locally for you :)
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The surname is "KIDNEY" ! All the information I have put on line on this web site is all I know. I am so excited I finally have made contact to someone in their area, my stars! I am so happy! I am having trouble getting around this web site but I am learning. I want to learn more about the Kidney family if possible. The rest of the family, the area, some proof they were there.
I have so much trouble reading the crazy verification letters and numbers
Please get back with me,
thank you so much,
Carole Lynn
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I think what ballydw was asking is which of the two locations you mentioned the Kidney and Clarke surnames were from ?
Midleton is to the east of Cork city, near the coast, Carrigtwohill/Carrigtohill is a separate town (although quite close) and between Midleton and Cork city.
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You can see some details on the town of Midleton in Lewis Topagraphical directory of 1837 on the Library Ireland website - see Midleton (http://www.libraryireland.com/topog/M/Midleton-Imokilly-Cork.php). Midleton/Middleton is also the name of the civil parish for the area.
The town of Carricktohill is about 8 km (c 5 miles), east of the town of Middleton and in the civil parish also called Carricktohill. (civil parishes usually equate to Church of Ireland parishes)
Entry for the town & parish on Lewis '37 - Carrigtohill (http://www.libraryireland.com/topog/C/Carrigtohill-Barrymore-Cork.php)
S.
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Kidney is the only surname I feel I could get much, as Clark, well all I know is her first name, I don't have much luck finding females, without having a lot more information on her, such as parents. But I do believe in miracles.
carole lynn
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sorry - I was thinking Clark was Mary's maiden surname.
Church of Ireland (i.e. Anglican) records for the two parishes (i.e. Midleton & Carrigtohill) seem to go back far enough to possibly include a baptism for John, and maybe a marriage for his parents - assuming of course the family were Church of Ireland.
Unfortunately CofI records for these parishes do not appear to be included on RootsIreland (pay-website)
Shane
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MY stars yes, Sometimes my mind doesn't work right! Yes John's wife is Mary Clark. Call me slow, I am sorry. If you could use CLARK and find something, mercy yes, please. Truly I would be so tickled if you could find something on either John Kidney, his wife, Mary and or son John. Please keep in contact.
thank you sweetly,
Carole Lynn
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I am not sure what family name goes to which town or city.
Carole lynn
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Carole lynn take a look at www.askaboutireland.ie these are records of landholders - for Cork it shows 1 record in Middleton for a Michael Kidney. There are a few for Carrigtwohill also. While these are not your direct Kidney family they may be relations. This survey was carried out in Mid 1800's. Regards :) Should have added the survey was called Griffith Valuation
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I will try to find this on the web site. Would it be possible could you email the copies to me so I can see them?
thank you,
Carole Lynn
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www.nationalarchives.ie/census
1901 & 1911 census Ireland. For County Cork all the Kidney surname listed are of Roman Catholic denomination. Entries for Middleton/Carrigtwohill/Queenstown(now Cobh) and other areas of co cork.
It could be possible the CLARK name may be of another denomination that you mention. :)
Most of the CLARK surname listed on the 1901/1911 censuses are of mostly other denominations i.e Church of England/Presbyterian etc.
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I think the Kidneys probably were Catholics, who knows? Maybe between the misery caused by the famine, they endured, he nevered practiced his faith. Then let his wife take over in hers, the Clarks. Will we ever know? I hope I learn, by you researching if any living relatives show up in their line.
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My grandfather is John Kidney born in Blarney, 1892, to Michael Kidney and McNamara. My line is Roman Catholic. Michael's father was Jeremiah.....common names in family John, Denis, Michael, Daniel, William, Jeremiah.
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I am so frustrated now just don't know what to say or where to look at this point. The records for me are not easy to get to or into in Ireland. John Kidney could have been catholic then and got discouraged due to the famine. I am at a loss. If they had family trees to research on line as I live in the USA. Please let me know something if you hear or find something new or different.
thank you sweetly,
Carole Lynn
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Carole have a look at www.ireland.anglican.org On this site you will find email address for a person who is indexing the church of ireland registers for county cork. It is Cobh genealogical project .
If you have any problems I will pm you the email address. Regards :)
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Hi Carole Lynn,
I’m a descendent of the kidney family ballyannon midleton,
I’ve attached my family tree ,
Hopefully this helps you on your search,
Regards Will
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Welcome to RootsChat :)
I’m a descendent of the kidney family ballyannon midleton,
Carole hasn't been on-line since March 2013 but hopefully she will receive a notification.
Is it Ballyannan you're talking about?
https://www.townlands.ie/cork/barrymore/mogeesha/midleton-rural/ballyannan/
KG
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Hi KG,
Yes ballyannan can be spelt a few ways, also ballyannin & ballyannon,
Hopefully Carole Lynn will see the notification
Will
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Reading the pages of your tree, here’s some updated information:
Cornelius Kidney (b. c1861) married Johannah O’Leary on 28th November 1895 in Carrigtwohill RC Church.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1895/10547/5842206.pdf
Six children born 1899 to 1907.
https://tinyurl.com/13o0va8g
Catherine born 17th June 1898.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1898/02081/1794138.pdf
Cornelius Kidney died in 1933, aged 61 years (born c1872). The informant was his son Timothy.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1933/04864/4314917.pdf
Johannah (Hannah) Kidney died in 1941, aged 67 years. Again, the informant was her son, Timothy.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1941/04709/4257501.pdf
KG
Edited to add:
1911 census
Residents of a house 12 in Ballyannan (Middleton Rural, Cork)
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cork/Middleton_Rural/Ballyannan/434096/
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Hi KG,
Thank you for taking the time to look into our family tree,
There seems to be discrepancies from what you have found then what my tree says,
I must look into it a bit more
Will
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You're very welcome ;D
If there are any issues that you need solving by us, please post back with your queries.
Good hunting! 8)
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Hi Will,
I am one of Philip Kidney's grandchildren.
Thank you for taking the time to post Timothy Kidney's family tree.
It is much appreciated.
Regards,
Tim
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I am sure i have a kidney in a baptism record as a witness just need to check it out either wade or foote
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Thank you for your post.
I look forward to hearing from you.
Merry Christmas!