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Independent Islands => Isle of Man => Topic started by: Boy Scout on Sunday 14 April 13 10:38 BST (UK)
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Does anyone have a Jeanie Quayle of the Sefton Hotel, Douglas on their tree.
I do not have a birth date but she married a James Clegg of Rochdale in 1899.
People I am researching are on the wedding list and I would like to establish their relationships to the Quayle family.
A quick look at the surnames list on RootsChat shows that the Quayle name is not uncommon in the I. O. M.
Thanks
Boy Scout
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Is this the marriage?
14th June 1899 at ST George, Douglas
Clegg, James to Quayle, Jane Moughtin
Fathers: James Clegg and James Quayle
1901 census has the couple in Bowden, Cheshire
RG13, 3323, 99, 1
Jane M Clegg is 32 years old; so born c1869
This looks like her baptism?
21st June 1868
Braddan Parish, abode Douglas
Jane Morton Quayle
Daughter of James Quayle (Saddler) and Elizabeth Quayle
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1891 census:
Reference RG12, Piece 4688, Folio 123, Page 4
27 Loch Promenade, Douglas, Isle of Man
Quayle, James Head M 52 Retired Saddler b Ballaugh
Quayle, Elizabeth Wife F 48 b Douglas
Quayle, Jane M Daughter F 21 b Douglas
Quayle, Robert M Son M 20 Grocer's Assistant b Douglas
Quayle, Lily M Daughter F 19 b Liverpool
Quayle, Annie J Daughter F 13 b Douglas
Quayle, Florence M Daughter F 11 b Douglas
Quayle, Thomas M Son M 9 b Douglas
+ Lodger and 2 servants
On that census (1891) there were 1242 people with the surname Quayle on the Isle of Man!
27 Loch Promenade is now The Windsor Hotel, and Paparazzi Restaurant ;D
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To add another family to the scene:
Marriage, 20th September 1866
Braddan parish
James Quayle to Elizabeth Moughtin
Fathers: James Quayle and Thomas Moughtin
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KGarrad,
Thank you for that. This is the family.
I have a newspaper article about the marriage and it all fits in except that the bride is Jeanie. It seems likely that she is known buy that christian name. Her sister Florence is a bridesmaid but referred to as Florrie, there is even a J J Moughtin present. The church is the same and the newspaper is dated 17th June 1899. It does say that the father is "from" the Sefton Hotel I suppose that could mean anything.
I was hoping to find someone researching this family to try to link in why people I am researching are presnet.
Thanks again lets hope that there are some Moughtin's out there.
Boy Scout
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I was trying to work out when the Sefton Hotel was built?
Must look at the facade next time I walk that way - maybe there's a date?
The Sefton is still a hotel - and now has a bar "Sir Norman's" named after Sir Norman Wisdom!
The Gaiety Theatre next door seems to have been built around 1899/1900?
What other names were on the guest list?
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I have attempted to attach the copy newpaper but I'm not sure I'm doing it correctly but here goes
Boy Scout
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Much to my surprise it seems to have worked.
The people I am intersted in are Mrs. Fynney and Miss Fynney of Blackpool.
They are in fact Mrs. Susan Fynney (Nee Jones 1847) and her daughter Maude Louise born 1880
Boy Scout
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I was trying to work out when the Sefton Hotel was built?
look at www.manxnotebook.com under towns/douglas
James Quayle was noted as proprietor 1893 + also against name in earlier directory 1881 - by ww1 hotel had reverted to having a manager + was a limited company, tho Quayle was still there with 150 bedrooms in 1904 visitors accomodation directory
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According to the 1891 and 1901 census, Maude Louise Fynney was born in Douglas?
1911 census says she was born Blackpool?! ;D
Presumably they were family friends?
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According to the 1891 and 1901 census, Maude Louise Fynney was born in Douglas?
There was a Maud Loise born in Douglas in 1880 - father Alfred Dixon + mother Susanna K[not readable but in database as Kyay?] maybe iMuseum has a better reading birth reg Douglas 18800421 + Maul L Dixon is found boarding in Onchan in 1881 - maybe later adopted ?
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iMuseum just says:
Maud Dixon, daughter of Alfred & Susan Dixon, 6th May 1880
Maud has a brother, Augustus F Fynney, born 1870 Douglas?
Got him!
6th October 1870. Augustus Frederic Fynney Dixon
(no parents named)
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if you have a sub to iMuseum newspapers then only 6 refs to fynney in 1870 to 1890 including one under licencing court
and for 'alfred dixon' a ref to a mysterious drowning case in 1889
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Augustus is indexed as Linney - Empfield House Ludworth Derby RG11 3461 103 21 age 10 born 'Doglas'
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As usual the RootsChaters are on to the nub of the problem.
The Miss Fynney at the wedding is in fact born Maude Louisa Dixon on 1st April 1880, I have a copy birth extract, her mother is shown as Susan Dixon formerly Fyney (sic) of Hawfield Cottage, Ludworth Derbyshire. The birth took place at 5 Goldie Terrace, Douglas. The father is shown as a agent name of Alfred Dixon.
Maude Louisa lives with her mother, Susan until she dies but does not marry herself.
The boy Augustus Frederick born 1871 referred to in these post is recorded as Dixon but due to his earlier birth date there is no birth certificate. He is shown in the index as Dixon. He goes on to marry and shows his father as Augustus Caesar Fynney. Both children are shown on subsequent census as Fynney.
There are other children born Dixon in the IOM and are obviously brothers and sister to these two they are buried at Brandon but the grave is unmarked.
The nub is that Augustus Caesar Fynney was married to a Jane Morris and on the census of 1871 they are in Manchester with a "visitor" Susan Jones born Bristol aged 21. The boy Augustus Frederick born 1871, was at this census in the IOM with the Kelly family and he is shown as Dixon.
Similarly in the 1881 census Maude Louisa is shown as Dixon with the Cowin family in the IOM. Augustus Caesar and his son together with visitor Susan Jones are at Empfield House, Ludworth where she is a "visitor". Jane his wife having died in Hayfield in 1878.
I have not been able to find a record of a marriage between Augustus Caesar Fynney and Susan Jones. Augustus Caesar dies on 6th March 1884. Susan reamins on subsequent census as Fynney with her children, her will is in the name of Fynney and the Fynney family leave bequest to her in their wills where she is referred to as Fynney.
By creating this post I was attempting to establish the connection of the "Fynney's" and the IOM.
A look at the wedding list shows a Mrs. T. Cowin giving a butter dish, could this person be the same Mrs Cowin who looked after the baby Maude?. Also there was a photographer at the wedding who took them all.
This is a bit of a Saga so I didn't put it all down at the start as it is so confusing.
Now of course you are all on to it!!
Boy Scout
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Dear boy scout - obviously you must be a lawyer in never ask a question to which you don't know the answer - if you had posted a similar question + reply on a computing tech site you would have been flamed beyond belief - you could easily have posted what you are really after and a brief summary of what you had already - people do enjoy helping each other but not to see it thrown back at them.