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Trying to pinpoint a death if possible. Thomas David is on 1851 Census living at Swansea Old Road in Village of Cwmburla. 1861 Census says wife Anne is a Widow. Am I right in thinking the death would be registered at Swansea. The Census says Swansea Higher but family also lived at Neath Higher on 1841 Census. Ages are not given at this time but Thomas was baptised 1802 at Llandarrog Carmarthenshire and married Anne Rees 1821 at Llanelly. Any help out there to pinpoint his death or anyone researching family? Many thanks, Syljun
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Hi,
The death would registered where Thomas died, not necessarily Swansea.
Nanny Jan
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Hi, Makes things more difficult. 1861 Census Anne is living in Neath - Age 68 Proprietor of Houses.
Cannot make out address but living on her own. Thomas could have died there. He was a Farm Labourer.
I wonder what "Proprietor of Houses" means. Landlord, but living on her own. Do not like the sound of it from what I have learned it could be "Houses of Ill repute". Anyone have an answer?
Would be interested in any suggestions.
Syljun
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See this helpful link:
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ukwales2/HelpPagepearls2.html#CensusDirections2
"Persons following no Profession, Trade or calling and holding no public office, but deriving the incomes chiefly from land, houses, mines, or other real property, from dividends, interest or money annuities, &c. may designate themselves "Landed Proprietor," "Proprietor of Iron Mines," "Proprietor of Houses," "Fund-holder," "Annuitant," &c..."
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Thank you morganllan, Sets my mind at rest. Still wondering where she got the money if husband was a Farm Labourer. Syljun
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Would sks look on 1871 Census to see if Anne/Ann David is still living in Neath please. Her age on 1861 Census is 68. She gives her birthplace as Cadoxton and is a Widow. Thanks, Syljun
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Hello slyjun
Ann is still at the Lodging House,aged 76,with Step Daughter,Ann Thomas aged 22
Kind regards
omega
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Many thanks Omega 1
Regards, Syljun
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Your welcome Slyjun
Hope you find your Thomas`s Death.
omega
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Hello :)
I think that Thomas David on 1851 at Old Road with wife Anne are still on 1861 and 1871 in the same area, although Thomas's occupation has changed.
1851
Thomas David Head age 47 born Llanddarog Farm Labourer
Anne David Wife age 57 born Llanddarog
Betty David Dau age 18 born Llanddarog Shoe Winder
John Evans Nephew age 20 born Llanddarog Journeyman Smith
RG8 Piece 2465 Folio 557 Page 34
Could be them at 1861 Weig Road
Thomas Davies Head age 55 born Carmarthenshire Haulier
Ann Davies Wife age 69 born Carmarthenshire
William Evans Lodger age 23 born Carmarthenshire Smith
RG9 Piece 4100 Folio 40 Page 44
and 1871 at Middle Road
Thomas David Head age 70 born Llanddarog Labourer in Tinworks
Ann David Wife age 80 born Llanarthney (next Parish to Llanddarog)
RG10 Piece 5449 Folio 29 Page 55
Occupations did change at this time due to the move away from rural to industrial society.
What do you think?
Best Wishes
Morgan
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On 1861, Anne David, Widow, age 68, Proprietor of Houses, was born Cadoxton so is a different person to the Anne David in Cwmbwrla on 1851, who was born Carmarthenshire.
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Many thanks morganllan, Yes no doubt that is Thomas and Anne. His brother William was classed as Haulier and also Blacksmith. No doubt worked in Tinworks. Brother William stayed in Llanelly.
As ever you have been most helpful and agree Anne David - Proprietor of Houses is someone else.
So easy to be misled with names and ages. Good work spotting born Cadoxton although cannot always rely on Census info. Surname David also changed to Davies at times -most confusing.
Hopefully can do a little more digging on family. Once again many thanks. Syljun
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You're welcome Syljun :)
Not sure whether these are connected because of the David/Davies/Dafydd thing, but may be worth checking via death certificates from Swansea register office. Dafydd is Welsh for David (as well as Dewi)
Death of Ann Davies age 83 in 1874 (Sep Q) Swansea vol 11a page 426
Burial at Babell Calvinistic Methodist Church, Cwmbwrla, Swansea, on 14th July 1874 of Ann Dafydd, age 83.
Death of Thomas Davies age 78 in 1878 (Q) Swansea vol 11a page 422
Burial at Babell Calvinistic Methodist Church, Cwmbwrla, Swansea, on 27 March 1878 of Thomas Dafydd, age 78.
If you decide to send for the certificates, email them with as much information as you can so that they can confirm whether it is the right family.
Babell site is very close to the locations of Thomas and Anne in the census, so it's a good possibility. See this thread which has some photographs of the graveyard, which is very dangerous.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=555483.0
Best Wishes
Morgan
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Forgot to mention that Babell was a Welsh Methodist Chuch :)
another interesting link about the area:
http://fforestfachhistory.freeforums.org/cwmbwrla-t34.html
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Thanks again morganllan, help invaluable. Have looked at photo of Babell Churchyard, what a pity it is in such a mess. Regards, Syljun
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It is a shame that so many grave yards are neglected, and can be very dangerous. Visitors could easily twist or break an ankle or leg, or even fall into a hole, or have a monument fall on them. :o
If you decide to send for the death certificates, remember to specify all known information, and please let us know how you get on.
Best Wishes
Morgan
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Babell graveyard is being restored.
www.babell-chapel.com