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Title: A bottle with strange contents
Post by: Maggie. on Sunday 21 April 13 18:08 BST (UK)
My Grandmother gave me this pretty little bottle just before she died in the 1950s. It is 2.5 inches high with a hall marked silver screw cap with blue inlay, which when removed reveals a tiny glass stopper in the bottle neck. 

I have always assumed it was for scent or smelling salts, but inside the bottle are 32 little glass balls, 31 are 5mm diameter and one is twice the size.  They were inside the bottle when I was given it and they look like they belong, although perhaps they had another purpose and belong elsewhere.  I've been trawling around the internet looking but although I can see lots of similar bottles I'm not finding any containing balls. Anyone have any idea what's going on here?

Regards,
Maggie  :)
Title: Re: A bottle with strange contents
Post by: Maggie. on Sunday 21 April 13 18:11 BST (UK)
Top and stopper removed, balls taken out.
Title: Re: A bottle with strange contents
Post by: msr on Sunday 21 April 13 18:18 BST (UK)
That is lovely Maggie, and hallmarked too.

It really could be for perfume just as you thought.   The balls may possibly to help slow distribution of liquid.
You wouldn't need much perfume in there and as such there would be less likelihood of spillage.
Tipping the bottle would allow drops to be applied rather than a flood.

Of course I am just theorising here.

Su
Title: Re: A bottle with strange contents
Post by: msr on Sunday 21 April 13 18:20 BST (UK)
I expect the same could be said of smelling salts.

A quick swish of the bottle under the nose, or a drop onto handkerchief would work wonders I imagine.

You should give it a try.
Title: Re: A bottle with strange contents
Post by: Treetotal on Sunday 21 April 13 18:39 BST (UK)
Hi Maggie...How lovely  :o

I think it's a scent bottle...there's one here like it:

http://www.ebay.ie/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=271191358734&clk_rvr_id=470626036489

Carol
Title: Re: A bottle with strange contents
Post by: weste on Sunday 21 April 13 18:47 BST (UK)
Also the glass balls could be to help mix contents before use.
Title: Re: A bottle with strange contents
Post by: Maggie. on Sunday 21 April 13 18:48 BST (UK)
Good heavens Carol - almost identical apart from a slight difference in shape. Well done you, and I really did think I'd looked before posted. I must try harder. :-[

Did they add small balls to diffuse the perfume then, as msr suggests? There is no hint of perfume on them now, but then after 60+ years I would imagine any whiff would have faded. I do remember my mum commenting that she had no idea what the purpose of the balls was.
Title: Re: A bottle with strange contents
Post by: Maggie. on Sunday 21 April 13 18:50 BST (UK)
Also the glass balls could be to help mix contents before use.

You probably wouldn't need as much perfume would you weste?
Title: Re: A bottle with strange contents
Post by: Treetotal on Sunday 21 April 13 18:51 BST (UK)
To weigh it down and stop it from being knocked over when the perfume level was low..the top looks quite solid and heavy..just a guess.
Carol
Title: Re: A bottle with strange contents
Post by: msr on Sunday 21 April 13 18:56 BST (UK)
Great find Carol, and the suggestion of weights could be heading in the right direction.

Have you worked out the hallmarks on yours Maggie?

I can't quite see the one on the bottle Carol found, but it would be interesting to see if they are the same place.
Title: Re: A bottle with strange contents
Post by: Maggie. on Sunday 21 April 13 19:20 BST (UK)
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Have you worked out the hallmarks on yours Maggie?

They are very worn msr. There is a lion and an anchor, which is Birmingham isn't it? And an 'A', which is 1875.
Title: Re: A bottle with strange contents
Post by: Maggie. on Sunday 21 April 13 19:30 BST (UK)
Interesting. Looking at the pictures attached to Carol's eBay find, that top is hinged whereas mine screws onto the bottle. It is also 12cm tall whereas mine in only 6cm (2.5") tall.
Title: Re: A bottle with strange contents
Post by: Treetotal on Sunday 21 April 13 19:40 BST (UK)
Yours might be the baby Sister Maggie  ;D...my sister has collected them for years and I know some of hers came as a pair...unless...with you having a bowl it was part of a dressing table set.
Carol
Title: Re: A bottle with strange contents
Post by: Maggie. on Sunday 21 April 13 19:51 BST (UK)
Well both pieces used to live on my dressing table - not that the bottle ever contained my perfume. The little lidded bowl was usually filled with my hair clips, badges, pins and sundry rubbish. Nowadays they are both on display in a cabinet.

I haven't mentioned the matching bowl on the thread - just in a PM exchange with Carol. I'll post a pic of it in a bit.
Title: Re: A bottle with strange contents
Post by: Treetotal on Sunday 21 April 13 19:57 BST (UK)
Oh yes Maggie...I would love to see it.
Carol
Title: Re: A bottle with strange contents
Post by: Maggie. on Sunday 21 April 13 20:14 BST (UK)
Coming up Carol.  :)
Title: Re: A bottle with strange contents
Post by: Maggie. on Sunday 21 April 13 20:22 BST (UK)
This little thing matches the scent bottle.  It's 4.5cm tall and 5cm wide.  I'm sure the lid is silver but unfortunately the rim is so dented that it looks like grandma has been throwing it at grandpa and any suggestion of a hallmark has been obliterated.

Maggie  :)
Title: Re: A bottle with strange contents
Post by: youngtug on Sunday 21 April 13 20:50 BST (UK)
I don't think that they are a match, the original "scent" bottle looks to have an enameled top and the cutting of the glass is a different pattern, it also looks to be finer.
Title: Re: A bottle with strange contents
Post by: alpinecottage on Sunday 21 April 13 21:02 BST (UK)
I wonder if the 32 glass marbles are the marbles from a peg solitaire game - the game where you have holes in the shape of a cross and have to jump one over the other to leave just one peg in the central hole.  The English version of the game has 32 pegs.
Title: Re: A bottle with strange contents
Post by: weste on Sunday 21 April 13 21:20 BST (UK)
Must admit I can't see any bottles  with beads on ebay or elsewhere. What intrigues me is the amount and the fact one's bigger. Although as was suggested would n't need as much perfume. Could it be something which can decant into something even smaller? They do look as they belong but could be a red herring. We'll probably kick ourselves when we find out!
Title: Re: A bottle with strange contents
Post by: youngtug on Sunday 21 April 13 21:26 BST (UK)
As others have already said, they may not belong to the bottle, if  not it is leading everyone astray. It makes a very secure container for something that would be easy to lose if left laying around loose.
Title: Re: A bottle with strange contents
Post by: Maggie. on Sunday 21 April 13 21:29 BST (UK)
I don't think that they are a match, the original "scent" bottle looks to have an enameled top and the cutting of the glass is a different pattern, it also looks to be finer.

OK, not a match. They were given to me as a pair. I wouldn't say that one is finer than the other though, quality-wise they seem the same.
Title: Re: A bottle with strange contents
Post by: youngtug on Sunday 21 April 13 21:33 BST (UK)
I don't think that they are a match, the original "scent" bottle looks to have an enameled top and the cutting of the glass is a different pattern, it also looks to be finer.

OK, not a match. They were given to me as a pair. I wouldn't say that one is finer than the other though, quality-wise they seem the same.
Sorry, I meant the glass cutting, not so deep and bold
Title: Re: A bottle with strange contents
Post by: Maggie. on Sunday 21 April 13 21:35 BST (UK)
I wonder if the 32 glass marbles are the marbles from a peg solitaire game - the game where you have holes in the shape of a cross and have to jump one over the other to leave just one peg in the central hole.  The English version of the game has 32 pegs.

They are very tiny - only 5mm diameter so very fiddly to use to play solitaire. Also there is the one larger one, which is 10mm.

As I mentioned the balls have always been in the bottle as far as I have known, but they could well have a separate purpose.
Title: Re: A bottle with strange contents
Post by: Maggie. on Sunday 21 April 13 21:47 BST (UK)
The glass cutting on the bottle is certainly more delicate and in panels alternating with uncut glass.
Title: Re: A bottle with strange contents
Post by: Treetotal on Sunday 21 April 13 22:27 BST (UK)
I think the scent bottle is much earlier and may have belonged to her mother.
Carol
Title: Re: A bottle with strange contents
Post by: Gardener on Sunday 21 April 13 22:47 BST (UK)
Here is one with glass balls in it too  http://www.rootschat.com/links/0tma/

And here  http://www.rootschat.com/links/0tmb/  is a recipe for smelling salts where it says the bottle could be filled with various things, including glass beads, so as to reduce spillage problems (if you click on the text it expands so you can scroll up and down).
Title: Re: A bottle with strange contents
Post by: Greensleeves on Sunday 21 April 13 22:52 BST (UK)
I believe the glass balls were inserted to stop the contents evaporating.
Title: Re: A bottle with strange contents
Post by: Maggie. on Sunday 21 April 13 22:58 BST (UK)
Thank you Gardener and well done - you have succeeded in finding the answer and the glass beads/balls DO belong and I'm pleased about that because they look like they belong.

The evaporation explanation makes sense GS, thank-you.
Title: Re: A bottle with strange contents
Post by: Maggie. on Sunday 21 April 13 23:00 BST (UK)
I think the scent bottle is much earlier and may have belonged to her mother.
Carol

The hallmark suggests a date of 1875 and this would suggest that originally it belonged to my great grandmother. She was born in 1852 ........... perhaps it was a wedding present.
Title: Re: A bottle with strange contents
Post by: groom on Sunday 21 April 13 23:04 BST (UK)
I dont suppose that many have survived with all the glass balls.
Title: Re: A bottle with strange contents
Post by: msr on Sunday 21 April 13 23:06 BST (UK)
So, my theorising at #2 wasn't far from the mark after all.

So pleased you have some answers Maggie.

Red post.....     I expect you are correct Groom.    Glass balls may been 'rescued' by children for playing marbles. ;D
Title: Re: A bottle with strange contents
Post by: Maggie. on Sunday 21 April 13 23:09 BST (UK)
That's a very interesting link to the perfumes and their preparation article, Gardener. I have two ancient notebooks containing hand written old pharmacy recipes. There are recipes for smelling salts there and it will be interesting to compare them.
Title: Re: A bottle with strange contents
Post by: Maggie. on Sunday 21 April 13 23:15 BST (UK)


Red post.....     I expect you are correct Groom.    Glass balls may been 'rescued' by children for playing marbles. ;D

I suspect they are far too tiny msr - even for tiny hands. I think more likely that they'd be mistaken for sweets and eaten.  :o

And you were indeed close to the mark at #2.  ;D
Title: Re: A bottle with strange contents
Post by: Greensleeves on Sunday 21 April 13 23:18 BST (UK)
I can remember ancient female relatives wielding bottles of smelling salts filled with little glass balls.....
Title: Re: A bottle with strange contents
Post by: Lydart on Monday 22 April 13 08:32 BST (UK)
My grandmother had one virtually identical, except that it was more of a fat flattened shaped bottle.   It had the glass balls in too.    She was a great sniffer of smelling salts !   What was sniffing them supposed to do ?   And if they were efficacious, then why don't people still use them ?



(I've always wanted to use the word 'efficacious' !!)
Title: Re: A bottle with strange contents
Post by: Maggie. on Monday 22 April 13 08:47 BST (UK)
Short answer - I believe in the days of tight corsetry one could frequently become faint due to the pressure put on the lower ribs and diaphragm due to the corest lacing. A quick whiff of the smelling salts would revive the poor woman.

Most efficacious indeed.  :)
Title: Re: A bottle with strange contents
Post by: Maggie. on Monday 22 April 13 08:51 BST (UK)
And a long answer:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smelling_salts

They are still used today.
Title: Re: A bottle with strange contents
Post by: Sinann on Tuesday 23 April 13 19:19 BST (UK)
You have it solved but my first thought was would the balls have kept the salts liquid, like when there was ball bearings in nail varnish.
Title: Re: A bottle with strange contents
Post by: Greensleeves on Tuesday 23 April 13 22:47 BST (UK)
Oh yes Sinann, I had forgotten about that!
Title: Re: A bottle with strange contents
Post by: Wiggy on Tuesday 23 April 13 23:21 BST (UK)
Lovely item Maggie!    ;)

I saw one of these being bought - and sold - on Bargain Hunt recently and they were told it was for smelling salts!  Didn't have the balls in it though!   The enamelling is very attractive isn't it.

Just imagine reviving with a sniff of ammonia (plus other) - enough to give anyone a stiff back!    :o

Wiggy    :)
Title: Re: A bottle with strange contents
Post by: Maggie. on Wednesday 24 April 13 00:32 BST (UK)
I'm rather fond of it Wiggy - it's a nice little memory of my Grandmother and good to have it confirmed as to what it is.

Thanks everybody for your interest and input.

Maggie