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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cornwall => Topic started by: blamcca on Tuesday 23 April 13 11:49 BST (UK)
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An ancestor of mine, John Pearce/Pearse was baptised in 1830 at St. Gluvias to parents William and Mary. I believe they also had these children, William (1824), Mary Ann (1826), Elisabeth (1831), James (1836), Jane (1837) and Eliza (1843). I have found the family in the censuses, according to John's censuses and a few of the others he was born in South Petherwin, but only late did the family move there. I can't find a marriage of William snr. and Mary, I realise it is possible that they didn't marry.
According to censuses and burial records, William was born in 1782 (I believe to William and Catherine Pearce) and Mary was born around 1794 in South Petherwin. I can't find a baptism for a Mary in that area in the time frame.
Can anyone help? :)
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Have you found the registration of the birth of Eliza 1843?
The certificate would give you her mother's surname, with which to look for the parents' marriage and the mother's baptism.
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=baptisms&id=2055997
Eliza Pearce baptism, 25 Dec 1843, parents William (blacksmith) and Mary Ann, resident at Penryn?
Jane, 03 Sept 1837, shows the same info for the parents:
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=baptisms&id=2055402
I'm not sure what reg dist we're looking at, but I don't think there are birth registrations, unfortunately.
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St Gluvias is in Falmouth RD.
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No I couldn't find any birth registrations. There were a lot of Elizabeths but no Elizas.
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Hi Blamcca,
Have you discounted William PEARCE = Marianne HARDING 8 Dec 1821 St Gluvias?
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12430-357-48?cc=1769414&wc=MMVH-VLC:1040759456
Son Richard baptised 2 Aug 1822 parents William (Blacksmith OF Penryn) and Marianne
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12430-1194-76?cc=1769414&wc=MMVH-V26:1268863064
Son William baptised 2 Aug 1824 parents William (Blacksmith OF Penryn) and Mary
(just go to image 80)
Cheers Kris :)
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I hadn't come across that one Kris, I think that may be the one I am after :)
Thank you very much, that was one part of the family that had really been bothering me.
Now I just need to try and find the birth of Mary/Marianne. :-\
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Excellent marriage find!
The trick with the OPC search function is that you can't use wildcards, but you can use just the first few letters of a name. So, for instance, I searched for surname PEAR in this case, which would catch both Pearce and Pearse. I wasn't expecting a variation on Mary so I didn't search for MAR as the bride's given name. ;)
The coverage page at the OPC site shows that it has baptisms for South Petherwin only 1656-1735 and 1875-1911, so that would omit the period when your Mary/ianne was born. FamilySearch doesn't have the images for that period either. You might contact the OPC for the parish to ask whether any info is available.
edit -- deleting bumph, see Kris's messages following and my later post.
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Blamcca,
I am afraid I am somewhat confused here,
I note you mention William and Mary were born in South Petherwin, yet the St Gluvias couple according to census were William b Mylor about 1796 and Mary St East/St Erth about 1801. 1841 census children William 16, Mary 14, John 12, Elizabeth 10 and Jane 4.
Now there is a South Petherwin couple born about the same time as you suggest yet these are not the parents of the St Gluvias Children whose parents were William a Blacksmith and Mary. ???
This St Petherwin William was an ag lab, suggested birth Nth Petherwin Devon. Mary b South Petherwin Children in 1841 Jane 15, John 10, Maria 8 and James 5. (possibly William PEARSE and Mary ROOSE mar 29 Mar 1815 South Petherwin)
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-16101-61724-93?cc=1769414&wc=MMVH-VHX:n1229294109
Certainly not the same couple. North and South Petherwin are near the border - nowhere near St Gluvias. Is the South Petherwin couple your family of interest or is it the St Gluvias couple?
Now you mention John - well both couples had sons John. John PEARSE 28 Mar 1830 South Petherwin to William and Mary.
Kris ???
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If the Sth Petherwin couple is your family of interest she would be
Mary ROOSE baptised 23 Feb 1794 to John and Joan
John ROOSE = Joan ROOSE 24 Oct 1791 Sth Petherwin.
Kris
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The distance between St Gluvias and Sth Petherwin has certainly been in my mind too ...
I wonder whether we could get some census details for John born 1830 St Gluvias?
Presumably, as Kris says, in South Petherwin, parents William 55, ag lab, and Mary 45, other children Jane, Maria, James.
That would seem to make him the John c1831 South Petherwin who is a servant in St Thomas by Launceston in 1851. Maria c1833 South Petherwin is also a servant in 1851, in South Petherwin.
And the parents in 1851 are William c1781 North Petherwin, pauper, and Mary, c1793 South Petherwin, agricultural labourer. As Kris says.
Where did the idea that John was baptised in St Gluvias come from? ??? There seems to have been a backstory conceived (only late did the family move to South Petherwin ...) to match a random set of baptism records!
I think the problem may be the absence of South Petherwin parish records -- but this is definitely a case of "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"! The fact that records of baptisms in South Petherwin are not available does not mean they didn't happen. ;)
But Kris - you do have access?
Ahhh ... just like for my St Stephens by Saltash ancestors: the records are at FindMyPast. The children of William and Mary are there too (James is James Ruse Pearse 1836, e.g.).
I guess the question is: is the John in the censuses shown as born in South Petherwin your actual ancestor? (from the confirmed descent from him, e.g. your ancestor as a child in his census household, etc.)
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The closest match for William in North Petherwin is baptism 20 July 1783, base child of Abigail
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=baptisms&id=3158967
who also had a Mary in 1779.
Abigail aged 72 (c1751) died in 1823 in North Petherwin
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=burials&id=644375
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William was born in 1782 (I believe to William and Catherine Pearce)
Do you think William PEARCE was baptised in Perranarworthal?
This Petherwin couple seem to be more PEARSE than PEARCE
This baptism seems to fit with the Petherwin Labourer to my mind.
William PEARSE baptised North Petherwin 20 Jul 1783 Base son of Abigail
Perhaps if you let us know which John you are following (where he married and who he married - children born where} we may be able to sort it out further.
Kris ;D
Whoops Ditto Janey!
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To all of it, Kris. ;D
Start with the known, is the rule -- and start by telling us what is known, rather than the theory!
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Oh Lord I have really gotten myself up a tree!! :o
The John Pearse I am after is one who married Eliza Jenkin, in Lewannick, all the children were born there to my knowledge. My ancestor William Pearce was their eldest son who came out to Australia.
You are right I have mixed all my censuses together and gotten some of the South Petherwin ones and the Penryn/Gluvias ones mixed up. But according to the censuses my John was born in South Petherwin, so I think you guys actually have the right family.
I am sorry for my confusion and I think I'll be able to get myself back on the right track. :)
John ROOSE = Joan ROOSE 24 Oct 1791 Sth Petherwin.
Also Kris is the saying that Joan's maiden name was Roose as well?
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John ROOSE = Joan ROOSE 24 Oct 1791 Sth Petherwin.
Also Kris is the saying that Joan's maiden name was Roose as well?
Hi Blamcca,
Yes both surnames were ROOSE.
Cheers Kris :)
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Hi Blamcca,
Are you absolutely certain that William the son of John PEARSE and Eliza JENKIN is your ancestor? Do you have Australian certificates to verify this? I can see this John's marriage certificate, but we do need to be certain we are now on track with the correct family. The certificate does list William a Lab as his father.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-19538-39607-65?cc=1769414&wc=MMVH-JLJ:n837293484
You do need to verify every step before you commit information to your tree. In your case with all these errors you will need to remove everything from there backwards and add your family as you verify them. (editing will not likely do it) At the moment you have wrong siblings for your John, wrong parents for William etc, therefore I would have to suggest deleting all these people and add the correct ones, correct bmd's, parish records, census records etc as you verify them. It you try editing you will be likely to leave incorrect people/census refs etc. You really do need to start afresh and work backwards one step at a time.
Good Luck with it.
Kris :)
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I can't say I am absolutely certain, because South Australian certificates don't have parent's name in this period (other than father's names on marriage certs).
On my William's marriage certificate it says the father was John.
My William also had a daughter called Ivy Eliza (perhaps a connection with Eliza JENKIN) and another daughter Sarah Emlin (Emlin is an unusual name but John and Eliza had a daughter called Emlyn).