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Hi Guys, My second cousin has obtained the death certificate for my grand uncle Leo. Leo died on the 17 January 1918 aged just 17 and as buried at Edgerton Cemetery, Huddersfield. On the death certificate it states he was living in 80, Storths, Moldgreen, Dalton, Huddersfield. I know at the time he as living with his sister Mary and his occupation was spinner. OK I've looked up this address and come up with to locations. I've found a Storths Road which is in the Birkby area but I've also found a Storths Mill in the Moldgreen, Dalton area, Storths Mill being a woolen/textile mill.
Now I can't find a number 80 in Storths Road (although it could have been knocked down by now)and it is located in Birkby and not Moldgreen. So my only conclusion is that they lived at a workers residence somewhere on the Storths Mill site. Does anyone know whether this was the case, that workers did reside on the Storths Mill site because if they lived at number 80 there must have been a large amount of residential buildings at the mill and the fact that Leo's occupation was spinner which I assume is something to do with the Mill itself. Any information on Storths Mill and whether my great uncle & aunt could possibly had resided at the mill would be most greatfull. Many Regards David
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Hi,
If you put Storths Mill in the search box you should get images.
It looks as though it could have been a work house.
John
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Hi John, thanks for the reply, can't find the image you referred to, you're not thinking of Storthes Hall are you? Regards, David
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Storthes, Mold Green is DEFINITELY a recognised address. My great grandfather was living there when he died in 1881. And he appears at that address in the 1870 White's Directory of Leeds and West Riding - "Appleyard, Thomas, shopkeeper, Storthes, Mold green."
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Just been reading that Storths Moldgreen after June 1914 would be moved to Almondbury for church purposes. [ http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/28841/pages/4796/page.pdf ]
Brian
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David,
I just went to the website and it was the history of Storths Hall.
Then it said images, I just clicked on that and a full page of images came up.
John
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For the location of Storthes in Moldgreen, I suggest that you look at the 1881 census returns. I looked at the entry for Abraham Marshall, who was one of the sureties for the Administration of my great great grandfather's estate.
Abraham Marshall - born 1846 in Rastrick and living in Dalton - RG11/4379, folio 138, page 37. From there you will see that Storthes is in District 15 of the Township of Dalton in Huddersfield, which will take you to the Description of the Enumerator's District for the area covering Storthes.
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The 1901 Enumerator's District notes shows Storthes 1 - 141 - RG13/4102 - District 21 - again found this by locating Mr Marshall. Storth's Mill also appears in this District.
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Enter Moldgreen into www.old-maps.co.uk and then select the 1907 map. Enlarge it. Bottom right-hand corner is Upper Bank Field Mills (Disused). Follow Bank Field Road left and Storths is in the middle of the screen view, with Somerset Bridge to the left.
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Hi
Sorry didn't see this earlier.
This Storths was in-between Aspley and Moldgreen but often called Moldgreen. If you look at a modern map and look for the junction of Wakefield Road and Saint Andrews Road the part of Wakefield Road going south towards Somerset Road was Storths.
John
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Yes I think I've seen Storths written on some old maps, thanks for that.
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And just for a bit of added trivia :D The 1905 Ordnance Survey map for Huddersfield East (from Alan Godfrey Maps - arrived today) shows that the tramway ran down Storths until the junction with Bankfield Road, and then turned into
Waterloo Wakefield Road as far as The Waterloo Inn.
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I have found on the 1911 census the address of 80 Woods Yard, Storths Moldgreen. A Mr Arthur Barden is head of the household and some of the occupants occupations are spinners. I wonder if this the address I am looking for. Can anyone find this address on an old map? Regards David
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Unfortunately the small "Yards" on Storths are not named on the maps - but if you look at the Old Maps website and use the co-ordinates 415450 and 416200 you can see for yourself on any of the maps available.
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Hi
Judging by it being 80 I would surmise that it would have been 80 Storths and they have added the Wood's Yard because as BumbleB said most of the yards where small and would not have gone up to 80.
To bring another of BumbleB's earlier correspondence up to date. Bankfield Road is now the bottom of Almondbury Bank, look for Tolson's Yard or School Street, Moldgreen.
John
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I, too, was looking for the location of Storthes, Moldgreen. So I say a big "thank you" to BumbleB who pointed the way to www.old-maps.co.uk, the 1907 map, and located Storthes. It is at what is now called Wakefield Road, just east of the bridge that crosses the River Colne. Our Martha Hirst, former housekeeper to John Beaumont and mother of four of his children, lived at Almondbury Bank in the late 1800's. She died at N˚ 115 Storthes, Moldgreen.
Beaumontsleuth
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If you you look on Street View in google maps, locate Carphone Warehouse & West mount Vets off Wakefield road Huddersfield. there is a road at the side with a high limit bar over it by the traffic lights, and there is an old mill behind it. (Can see the mill from Wakefield road) That mill and the little road at the side of Carphone Warehouse is the Storth- also located at the East end of Ivy St (Now blocked off) The West end of Ivy Street is now at Asda car park at Aspley
Though they have changed how old maps website works since 2013 -if you locate the 1854 map - it shows 'The Storth' at between Aspley and Moldgreen
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Thank you to "dobfarm" for the excellent help in further pinpointing Storthes and Storthes Mill located behind the West Mount Vets. So, if I understand correctly, Storthes was once a mill...but was it also a residence, too? It seems there have been a number of individuals who report that their ancestors listed Storthes as their place of residence.
Since several seem to have Storthes as their residence when they died, would it have been an alms house or asylum for the ill or elderly? Who might know about this?
Thank you,
Beaumontsleuth
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I think if you had access to all Births and Death certificates at Storth they would balance out in general to house abodes in the road in the Mill land property.
I would think they were rows of Mill houses owned by the Mill owners then rented to workers of the mill originally and rented to the general public residents later.
There are a few articles in the 19th century newspapers, one at house 101 Storth where the wife was trying to get money from her husband at a court to pay debts.
Another about the Council not spending money on drainage of flooding water into Penny brook at Storth houses.
But this article actually gives an address
The Huddersfield Daily Chronicle 5th July 1900
Borough Police
John Heywood a Teamer, of Lowerhead row, was summoned for having-been found asleep whilst in charge of two horses and carts in Storth - road, Moldgreen on the 26th June. Police constable J.W. Bottomley said the carts were laden with coal and the defendant was asleep in the first one :- Fined 5 shillings
This link is Bankwell Road, Milnsbridge, Huddersfield, but it will give you an idea what the Mill houses might have looked like as similar
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.6380423,-1.8204699,3a,75y,280.53h,82.02t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sVRaBOWnihPulWUx2QGoleQ!2e0
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Mt gt-gt-grandfather lived on Storths and was a cotton dyer. Looking at the 1851 census and following the house numbers, it looks like what is now Wakefield Road was called Storths from the bottom of Kilner Bank, (house numbers in the 400s), became Storths (house numbers in the 500s) and then reverted to Moldgreen (house numbers in the 600s). there are also a lot of households without a house number at all, so could this be because there were houses behind the ones on the main road that weren't numbered? I'm a little confused as to who numbered the houses and when it was done, so any help on this would be appreciated.
From the 1851 census, it seems that there were several cotton workers living on Storths so where would the nearest cotton mill be? I've always assumed that Huddesfield mills were mainly for wool production.
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Hi
You cannot always rely on old door numbers they kept changing when new building were built or if they pulled some down or they sometimes changed the names of part of the roads.
Huddersfield was known for its diversity. It had both cotton & woollen mills, heavy & light engineering, coalmines, dying & chemical works.
But back to your question I think the nearest cotton mill would have been either on St. Andrews Road or Quay Street
John
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Thank for the info, John. I'll do some more digging on the local mills. My gt-gt-Grandma was brought up at the bottom of Beast Market (Silk Street) so it's possible they met while working locally. For some reason they left Huddersfield in the 1850s and went to work in the flax mills in south Leeds. I know that processing flax was really hard work so it would be interesting to know what made them leave Huddersfield.
Thanks again.
Tina
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Certainly around the time of the 1871 census there was a Silk mill in the area. One of my ancestors was a Silk Dresser - 1861 he was in Slaithwaite, 1871 in Storths, Moldgreen, 1881 in Sowerby and 1891 until his death in 1914 in Halifax. His father, also a Silk Dresser, died in 1881 in Storths.
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Certainly around the time of the 1871 census there was a Silk mill in the area. One of my ancestors was a Silk Dresser - 1861 he was in Slaithwaite, 1871 in Storths, Moldgreen, 1881 in Sowerby and 1891 until his death in 1914 in Halifax. His father, also a Silk Dresser, died in 1881 in Storths.
BumbleB
According to this link below
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=sq33sR3WCrQC&pg=PA95&lpg=PA95&dq=lawton+%26+lodge+rug+manufacturers&source=bl&ots=4J7PbcEBKR&sig=ACfU3U0j-iM-NfkrTx6j3fkAk565KlzTPA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjyoLCTuKbzAhV4AWMBHf1jDHEQ6AF6BAgCEAM#v=onepage&q=lawton%20%26%20lodge%20rug%20manufacturers&f=false
Storth's Mills - John Day was in this mill in 1848 ( See: Bankfield Mill, Moldgreen) but it was owned by the Tolson family. It was leased to Josiah Naylor, hearth rug manufacturer, in 1910 Lawton and Lodge Ltd, were there in 1950
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=sq33sR3WCrQC&pg=PA95&lpg=PA95&dq=lawton+%26+lodge+rug+manufacturers&source=bl&ots=4J7PbcEBKR&sig=ACfU3U0j-iM-NfkrTx6j3fkAk565KlzTPA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjyoLCTuKbzAhV4AWMBHf1jDHEQ6AF6BAgCEAM#v=onepage&q=lawton%20%26%20lodge%20rug%20manufacturers&f=false
https://huddersfield.exposed/api/content/books/ocr/17693/
Lawton and Lodge Ltd, Rug manufacturers, Storths Mill, Molgreen (or Aspley)
https://huddersfield.exposed/book/17693#page/n33/mode/2up/search/storth
I suggest check enumerates route 1891c as ref number below
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=526865.msg3816038#msg3816038
See K Garrad
Found Sarah on 1891 census!?
Reference RG12/3565/60/18
Storths, Dalton, Huddersfield
Also
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=601976.msg4517054#msg4517054
see; J.R.Ellam (2nd from last post)
Storths was at the bottom of Wakefield Road mainly where Ivy Street is.
9Added (Ivy street is near Asda by the river Aspley)
Last put (NOT SPELT Storthes) Storths" in SEARCH MENU searchbox above (nothing else)
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Here we are - Storths ;D
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=16&lat=53.64219&lon=-1.77070&layers=6&right=ESRIWorld
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Here we are - Storths ;D
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=16&lat=53.64219&lon=-1.77070&layers=6&right=ESRIWorld
Good find BumbleB
Though the oldmaps side to side view make Storths look like its Wakefield road- but the earlier 1850 maps show Storths as the area of a few streets around Wakefield road that explains why the high number of house numbers up to 500.
https://maps.nls.uk/view/102345046
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Interesting - so a decision as to whether Storths is a street, or an area? Well, my Appleyard family certainly lived there at some time. :) And I've now got a couple of maps to locate it!
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I think myself it was ? as far as house numbers of streets/roads would be concerned was rows of mill workers houses of Storths mill, also other residences and the whole location area of residences took the name Storths.
Example:- 102, Storths (of rows of cottages/houses), Wakefield Road, Moldgreen
or 102, Storths, Moldgreen
Example 2;-
2 rows of cottages adjacent or right angles to each other called Rhodes Cottages, Clowne Derbyshire where my granddad lived and the area is known as Rhodes
https://www.google.com/maps/@53.2775157,-1.2542018,71m/data=!3m1!1e3
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Interesting - so a decision as to whether Storths is a street, or an area? Well, my Appleyard family certainly lived there at some time. :) And I've now got a couple of maps to locate it!
We'er closer than we think, ;D My paternal G Graddad lived opposite Storths or Moldgreen Bowling green ( Robonson's Fold) on the bend on Wakefield road at the bottom of Dog Kennel bank ( back lane from Almondbury)
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Interesting - so a decision as to whether Storths is a street, or an area? Well, my Appleyard family certainly lived there at some time. :) And I've now got a couple of maps to locate it!
We are closer than we think, ;D My paternal G Graddad lived opposite Storths or Moldgreen Bowling green ( Robonson's Fold) on the bend on Wakefield road at the bottom of Dog Kennel bank ( back lane from Almondbury)
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Lets put some modern context to this
I would say 80 Stores as been demolished and would have been near the bus stop near Aspley Carpets. The buildings in between Firth Street & Colne Street are in the 60's so after that was St. Paul's Mission (Aspley Carpets) then the doctors house which is waste ground now and on this side of the road Stores ended at the river.
When you look at the odd side 327 Wakefield Road is at the corner of Broad Lane Moldgreen. Moldgreen Liberal Club is 311 Wakefield Road but Stores finished at the corner with Silver Street which is 89 Wakefield Road 91 Wakefield Road, (Bower & Childs) would have been Moldgreen.
John
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I've just received a copy of the 1905 Ordnance Survey map of the area BUT now realise that I can't add an image :-X
Storths is shown as a road, leading to Wakefield Road - one end begins at Somerset Bridge - Carr Pit Road is the first turning, then Silver Street with Ivy Street and Silver Street West connecting the two. On the other side of Storths is Somerset Road.
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Hello All,
For those wanting further very accurate information - I believe Huddersfield library have very detailed Insurance maps of Huddersfield around Edwardian times more or less. (See John's post for demolished houses)
From looking at the OS 1905 map Bumble B kindly emailed a copy of to me and John's vast local knowledge (Which he knows that area east part of Huddersfield very well, along with Dalton, Mirfield, Kirkheaton, Kirkburton, Almondbury and more) seems Storths is a section Wakefield road between Firth st and ( as on old maps is the road linking Huddersfield to Wakefield rather than a section of Wakefield road itself.) bottom of Almondbury bank (road) or maybe ? even further up to Broad lane (top of Dalton's Long lane)
According to BumbleB's 1905 OS map-this link below has Storths mill the one in the background at the end of the row of shops in street view of the right and the cars in the forground on the main road is
Storths general area
https://www.google.com/maps/@53.6428133,-1.7674687,3a,18.8y,304.32h,90.23t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sg8Wi-ojPzYu0DhUTaW4p-A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192