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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Suffolk => Topic started by: Wendy260 on Monday 21 October 13 02:40 BST (UK)
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Seeking info on relationship between Mills - Huggins - Putz families in Hoxne, Suffolk. These 3 families traveled between London and Hoxne for baptisms. Various Putz found on census in Hoxne. Various Huggins married Putz as did Mills. Seek info on family of Edward Edgar Putz married to Anna, son Albert Edgar Putz. Thanks in advance! WendyW260
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Just to help with dates I have found 3 bpts at Hoxne St Peter & St Paul
21 Jul 1895 Albert Edgar PUTZ (born 25 Mar) son of Albert Edgar (sailor) & Anna PUTZ
1 Aug 1886 Ada Florence PUTZ (born 24 Jul 1882) daug of William Herbert (gentlemans servant) & Priscilla Hellen PUTZ
1 Aug 1886 Rose Mildred PUTZ (born 27 Oct 1884 William & Priscilla as above.
So looks like Hoxne PRs record him as Albert Edgar rather than Edward Edgar unless transcripts I have are wrong but FreeBMD records Albert Edgar PUTZ & Annie MILLS married DecQ 1894 Wandsworth.
An Albert E PUTT age 17 recorded on the 1881 CR living in Wandsworth parents William & Fanny. Could this be the same chap - could the name have become corrupted?
William Herbert PUTZ married Priscilla HUGGINS DecQ 1875 Marylebone.
K
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Baptism Hoxne for Albert Edgar
I have a feeling there might be an error here, the reason being, I have traced the children born to Anna Putz
1881
Shown as Pritz but corrected to Putz
Letts Road West Ham
William Putz aged 35 born Germany, occ printer and newsagent
Anna aged 37 Germany
William aged 1 born Stratford
1891
Shown as Pieta but corrected
Blyth Road West Ham
Anna wid 49 Germany, occ newsagent
Elizabeth 9
Ernestine 10
William 11
all siblings born Stratford
1901
Blyth Road West Ham
Anna wid 56 Germany
Elizabeth 17 occ confectionery
Ernestine 19
William 21
all siblings born Stratford
So, Anna being shown as widow since 1891 do not believe this info on the Suffolk bapts are correct, she would have been in her 50's by the time Albert Edgar was born, not unknown I suppose, I believe she only had 3 children who survived into adult hood
I also believe this baptism is entered incorrectly whether in the ledgers or listed elsewhere, I would like to see the original but unfortunately cannot get to Suffolk at the moment
The Putz family and Mills seem to travel from London to Hoxne so there is a connection there
BUT as always I stand to be corrected
Louisa Maud
PS, Keziah, Second thoughts, was Annie who married in Wandsworth known as Anna, this family of Putz, which should include Albert Edgar, do not appear on 1901, the only Annie is shown as single as a servant living Pancras aged 29 born Hoxne, she seems to have been known as Annie, well the plot certainly deepens.
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The Priscilla HUGGINS that married William in 1875 could be this one
Priscilla Helen HUGGINS Bpt 10 Apr 1855 daug of Frederick & Harriet. Priscilla seems to have had an illegitimate daug Emmeline Louise bpt 24 Aug 1873 Hoxne. Priscilla's parents married in DecQ 1852 Hoxne RD Frederick Huggins & Harriet Mills.
Anna (or Annie) PUTZ could be this one
Anna MILLS bpt 8 Sep 1867 Hoxne - daughter of Robert MILLS & Harriet
Looks like Robert MILLS & Harriet MILLS (wife of Fred Huggins) could be siblings
Robert MILLS bpt 27 Sep 1829 Hoxne parents James & Harriet MILLS
Harriet MILLS bpt 19 Aug 1832 Hoxne parents James & Harriet MILLS
James MILLS married Harriet JEFFRIES 24 Mar 1829 Hoxne (whoops :) )
So if I have got this anything like right Priscilla & Anna were cousins & they married brothers/cousins or whatever William & Albert PUTZ.
K
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James MILLS age 75 buried 19 Feb 1883 Hoxne
Harriet MILLS age 86 buried 29 Dec 1891 Hoxne
K
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I cannot find Albert Edgar born 1895 on 1901, if Annie, shown as living in Pancras born Hoxne was his mother, where was he?, born in Mile End reg district 1895 he would only have been about 6 at the time
There are family trees on Ancestry which are showing Albert Edgar 1895, one shows a marriage to Isabel Lipsey, none found registered so far, I wonder if he and Annie had gone their separate ways before 1901and she is the servant on 1901 in Pancras
One would think with such an unusual surname it would be easy
I do notice at sometime he is living with William and Mary Mills as their nephew in Hoxne but not on 1901, I have trawled through Hoxne district 4 and 5 to know avail, nothing familiar pops out, wonder if he had any siblings, he is very evasive?
Another thing pops into my mind, IF the bapt is him and his father is a mariner I wonder where he died, a mystery so far
Louisa Maud
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Hi my grandmother Amelia Barber B 1878 Hoxne Married David Huggins B 1880 Botesdale .
I would be intrested in any links between the Hoxne Huggins familys and the Hoxne ones .
Regards Tony Huggins
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Keziah
Do you know if Albert Edgar had any siblings?
I do feel a certificate would help you with his parents names and his father's occupation
Louisa Maud
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Hi Keziah, WendyW260 unwell at moment, looking forward to getting to your info. Thanks!
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Keziah wrote, "An Albert E PUTT age 17 recorded on the 1881 CR living in Wandsworth parents William & Fanny. Could this be the same chap - could the name have become corrupted?"
Keziah, good suggestion but he is Putt, checked him out on previous census
Really want to find Albert Edgar on 1901, he must be somewhere
LM
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Wendy
Hope you feel better soon
Louisa Maud
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Keziah & Louisa Maud,
WendyW260 has recovered. Thank you so much for your inputs.
IMO based on current evidence: Albert Edgar Putz born 1873, son of Samuel Putz and Emily Mills. Emily born Hoxne. Married Ann/Anne/Annie Mills who was born Hoxne in 1867 (4a 549). Emily's father George Mills, mother Priscilla Huggins both born Hoxne. Annie Mill's parents Robert and Harriet Mills, both born Hoxne. Both Samuel and Albert Putz married near London.
Keziah, please tell me it isn't true Robert and Harriet Mill's parents were also Robert & Harriet Mills. I may be misunderstanding that post. However, given the complications of this group I am open to the idea.
William Herbert Putz married Priscilla Helen Huggins in 1875 in Marylebone. William was son of Samuel Putz above. P. H. Huggins born Hoxne. Her parents were Frederick Huggins and ...wait for it...Harriet Mills. Two of their children, Rose and Ada, were baptised in Hoxne.
Albert Edgar Putz (the second) was born 1895 in Mile End. His parents were (potentially Albert Edgar, the sailor, not clear this is the 1873 man. His mother was "Anna"). He was in Hoxne for the 1911 census. He married Margaret J. Bevan (date unknown). In 1942, he lived in Burro Port, Wales, where his son was killed by a U.Boat. He died in 1964 in Llanely, Wales. On the 1911 he was listed as "Putzs."
Mysteriously, he is missing from most census forms even as a child.
In 1901 Anna Putz, born Hoxne in 1872 shows up on census for London. She is a single servant. Assume she is Anna Mills born 1867 in Hoxne. Will lookup 1901 for Albert Edgar Putz (the first one), they are prob. not together for whatever reason. The 1901 for this Albert Edgar also proving elusive.
While mis-spellings are common, especially with the name Putz, I don't think the 1881 Putts in Wandsworth was related as Louisa Maud points out she identified that family on previous census.
In 1877 Ann Huggins, also daughter of Frederick and Priscilla Huggins had a daughter called Harriet Helen Maria Huggins.
In 1907 another Albert Edgar Putz was born and died as an infant.
Thank you both so much for all the connections here. This family shows how intertwined this can be. Truly head scratching. Please let me know if anything else jumps out at you. WendyW260.
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Re: Family tree on Ancestry showing Albert Edgar Putz, born 1895, married to Lipsey. Did not find any evidence for that outside of that suggestion. Going to shelve that one. WendyW260.
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Hi Tony Huggins,
There are a lot of Huggins in Hoxne and Norfolk where your great grandfather was born. See your challenges. Looks like your great grandfather, William moved from Burston in Norfolk to Hoxne. Your Hoxne connection appears to be more through Amelia then her husband David Huggins who was born in Botesdale it seems. Huggins families seem to cross over between Suffolk and Norfolk. There are a lot of Maria Huggins listed for Hoxne, for instance, and some of them seem to be from Norfolk or born in Hoxne and moved to Norfolk (Maria Huggins married James Huggins, she born in Hoxne and lived in Norfolk on 1861 census). Not saying they are related to your people, just shows how the flow went. I saw this link http://genforum.genealogy.com/englandcountry/suffolk/messages/980.html don't know if this or the poster can help you. You have prob seen it. My understanding is the Hoxne area, and Suffolk, was in hard times in early 1800's as corn prices tanked and taxes went up. Prob led to movement as people looked for work. Think that's how my Huggins ancestors from Hoxne ended up marrying into London families where they got matriculated into their married names. Good luck with your hunt for family connections, they will come out and find you eventually! WendyW260.
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Keziah, please tell me it isn't true Robert and Harriet Mill's parents were also Robert & Harriet Mills. I may be misunderstanding that post. However, given the complications of this group I am open to the idea.
Hello Wendy - not true Robert MILLS & Harriet HUGGINS (nee MILLS wife of Fred Huggins) are the children of James & Harriet MILLS.
K
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Hi Wendy
It seems between us and Keziah we might have solved a few problems except the elusive Albert Edgar born 1895 in Mile End, I have tried just putting in his christian name, just year of birth but nothing pops out on 1901, is there a possibility he was with other relatives in 1901, I would dearly love to find him for you, he obviously was taken in by an aunt and uncle on a later census which, Wendy, you already have details of, he is very elusive, Well I live in hopes he will be found
LM
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Thank you so much for your assistance Keziah and Louisa Maud. I will continue the quest. You ladies have helped me so much. Keep up your good work for others. It really keeps us moving along when we are stuck. WendyW260
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Thanks Wendy. I will still prowl about for Albert Edgar from time to time, you never know he might pop up somewhere
HAPPY HUNTING
LM
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Well here is turn up for the books as it were
Isabel Putz is really Rebecca I Putz who died in Wandsworth 1876 aged 86, she was married to Albert Edgar Putz born 1875, so it looks as if she died after Albert or Edgar or whatever name he chooses at the time
Rebecca had prevously been shown on London Electrol registers as Isabel
1960 she was living 1/5 Wedlake Street London W10, there are many people living at this address, I am trying to find out what No 1/5 Wedlake Street was, I know where it is but I don't know what this building was, I know there was a swimming poll there for years
Wendy, what do you think now, am I right
Louisa Maud
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Hi my grandmother Amelia Barber B 1878 Hoxne Married David Huggins B 1880 Botesdale .
I would be intrested in any links between the Hoxne Huggins familys and the Hoxne ones .
Regards Tony Huggins
Hello Tony. My name is Paul Prentice. My great grandfather was David Huggins.