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The family settled in Wells next the Sea, Norfolk where children were born and died but it seems they did not originate there. William might have been born in Norwich in 1696 and died in Wells in 1753. Does anyone else know about this family? Does anyone know who Mary was?
Potential gr grandparents 8th removed.
Best wishes
Amanda Stone
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William Cay of Wells left a will ref: Norfolk Records Office William Cay 1753 NCC Will Register, Smith 137.
If he named any relatives it could give an indication of who Mary was.
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This is fabulous - thank you so much for your help. How do I get access to this will?
Best wishes
Amanda
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Found it - on ancestry.co.uk etc Thanks.
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The Norfolk Records Office, Norwich has the actual will the reference in previous post, its only an index reference on ancestry at least when I checked.
All my Quaker ancestors left very detailed wills
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Yes it is indeed a reference listing. I guess I will have to contact Norfolk RO with the reference. Many thanks. I am sure they weren't Quakers unfortunately - in fact I don't think they had any wealth to leave which is why I am surprised there is a will. There is a note about the poor law or similar - I wonder if it was something about a dispersal for a pauper burial. Anyway will check it out.
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William Cay died 23 April 1753 buried in the Quaker burial ground, Wells.
Mary Cay died 20 July 1752 buried in the Quaker burial ground, Wells.
Reference England Quaker birth, marriage and death records 1578-1837. On ancestry.com
I have the world wide edition as I live in the USA, so I can't go to the record office and look it up for you.
The charges are 1 pound per page plus postage.
You can put a message on the lookup request board and see if someone who lives in Norwich can
look for it on their next trip.
Also listed under Quaker births of William and Mary Cay at Wells
Sarah born 21 November 1723
Robert born 21 May 1725
Robert born 15 October 1726
William born 13 July 1735
Burials, children of William and Mary Cay of Wells
Esther died 30 April 1727
William died 29 April 1731
Notes, some dates have been transcribed under select births and deaths using January as the first month of the year, that is only true after 1752 prior to that the year began April. So when an entry in Quaker records states the 1st month it means April not January.
There is a William Cay in the Poll Book of 1714 at Walpole St Peter.
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I cannot tell you how grateful I am for this info.
My ancestry.co is also supposed to be international but I don't seem to get such detailed info! Anyway the info you have provided is wonderful.
So after some head scratching I don't now think this couple is directly related to my Sarah Key/Cay who was born in 1716 in Ludham to Thomas Key and Judith (nee Hall).
William and Mary's Sarah was born in 1723 in Wells which would not work for marriage dates. However, I am thinking that they are related to Thomas the father of my Sarah Cay (possibly brothers or cousins). And there is a non conformist hint too though not consistent. I know very little about non conformists and Norfolk.
My supposed Sarah Cay b 1716 in Ludham to Thos and Judith seems to have married Edward Holman in 1742 in Heydon - 22 miles away from her birthplace in Ludham! so still not sure this is the Sarah I have identified. Not sure whether their marriage was nonconformist.
This couple settled down in Oulton, 1 mile away from Heydon, their place of marriage where my gr + grandmother, Sarah Holman was born 17 Oct 1744 - a non-conformist baptism. She married William Rogers in 'Wells' - 21 miles away from her birth place, again all very tenuous.
It is possible there is another Sarah Key/Cay born in Wells for whom I have not yet found the baptism. That would make far more sense than the one born in Ludham to Thos and Judith.
I am always nervous when I see great distances especially for ordinary (lower class) women in those days. I am sure that people tended to stay put and only move small distances except of course in times of strife or similar. Even now people tend to stay put. The life route i have plotted seems wrong sometimes involving distances of 50 miles.
Having said that, I have worked out why Sarah's husband-to-be, born in Long Sutton, Lincolnshire (William Rogers) was in Norfolk. There is a link between gentry families - Dellamore & Allenby from Long Sutton, Lincs who have a marriage connection to the village of Warenby in Norfolk next to Wells. I think William Rogers might have been a coachman or similar servant and so ended up in Norfolk for a while with his employers in and around 1765. Perhaps Sarah Holman worked for the Warenby family with whom they stayed - possibly the Tubbings as noted below.
WARHAM ALL SAINTS.
Slab in the Charted.
I. A cross between four mxdiets {Tubbing f Sable, a cross
voided between four mullets or. — Three Norf. Arm., Cod. B, 405) ;
impaling, A cross flory (Delamore, Gules, a cross flory or. —
Paptporth, 613.) Crest : An escallop.
"To the pious memory of Wm. Tubbing, Gent., son of John
Tubbing, late Clerk of this parish, who departed this life the 11th
day of July, 1687, aged 32 ; and Eliza his wife, daughter of
William Delamore, Gent, and Elizabeth his wife, late of Long
Sutton in Lincolnshire, who died 14th of May, 1740, aged 80."
Anyway Sarah and William ended up living in Long Sutton, Lincs, happily ever after having one child in Wells just 3 months after their marriage ;) followed by another 4 in Long Sutton. The rest of my family on this line was in Lincs and then E Yorkshire.
I will follow up the William and Mary link you have sent becasue I am of the feeling that though they may not be my gr+ grandparents I wonder whether they are related.
I live in France and have family in England so relatively easy, though initial step will be to purchase records.
Many many thanks
Amanda
Will keep you informed about discoveries.
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On Freereg website
William Rogers married Sarah Holmes 23 June 1765 at Wells next to the Sea.
Holmes not Holman is the transcription correct?
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Here's the marriage amondg found
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01gis/
William Rogers is a Banker
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It was corrected to Bachelor in a second entry on freereg.
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Think he was a banker, other Grooms on the same page in the Parish Register have their profession listed ;)
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Wow wow wow - this could change everything. Have to just check on my tree and sources.
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So this puts this part of my tree in to question - the marriage I have in my records is below but is definitely transcribed wrong as Holman. I am pretty sure our family were not bankers or anything remotely like it - more like agric labourers and I had doubts about the Quaker thing too. Never knew about access to the registers like this - fantastic. Thanks folks.
So I think back to the drawing board!
Name Sarah Holman
Gender Female
Marriage Date 23 Jun 1765
Marriage Place Wells, Norfolk, England
FHL Film Number 2149773
Household Members
Name Age
Sarah Holman
William Rogers
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My supposed Sarah Cay b 1716 in Ludham to Thos and Judith seems to have married Edward Holman in 1742 in Heydon
The Heydon PR's show that Edward Holman married Sarah Holman 4 Jan 1742/3
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01gj8/