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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: edward fraser on Wednesday 30 October 13 01:32 GMT (UK)
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Hi all , I am seeking some assistance regarding Margaret Macdonald born 25/9/1832 in Inverness Scotland, she emigrated to NSW on the ship Stamboul in 31/10/1856 ,to join her sibling's Jane Sadler & Sween Macdonald in Bathurst I believe..I cannot find anything else about her , did she marry, did she have any children, any information will be most appreciated... thank you Edward :)
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Hi,
Are you able to provide parent names please?
Leanne
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Hi Edward,
I assume Margaret is the daughter of Sween & Isabella? If so she most likely married Alexander Binning in Bathurst in 1860. If you buy the marriage certificate it should provide a large amount of information.
Jo :)
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Hi,
If so, this is Alexanders' death report in the paper:
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/114524387?searchTerm=Margaret binning&searchLimits=
Leanne
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Do you think we should ask a modorator to combine the 2 threads Edward Fraser has posted. There is another about Donald Macdonald. Margaret's brother.
I think we may double up on research if we look for these 2 people seperately?
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Among other children born to this couple, there was certainly one named ISABELLA
REG V18621873 45A/ In 1862 BINNING Isabella
Parents Alexander & Margaret
Sue
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Do you think we should ask a modorator to combine the 2 threads Edward Fraser has posted. There is another about Donald Macdonald. Margaret's brother.
I think we may double up on research if we look for these 2 people seperately?
Links to other threads to save any possible duplication:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=665950.0
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=666390.0
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Austcemindex has photos of the graves of Margaret (nee MacDonald) BINNING and her husband Alexander at Rookwood Old Presbyterian Cemetery.
Alexander, died 7 Jun 1878, aged 44y, parents unk; h/Margaret; father
Margaret, died 13 Mar 1884, aged 47y, née McDonald; dau/Alexander & Margaret (sic); w/Alexander; mother
A couple of other BINNING burials are shown at Rookwood, including a child and another person listed as daughter of Alexander.
Margaret E BINNING, died 7 Sep 1867, aged 6y8m, dau/Alexander & Margaret
Mary, died 18 May 1880, aged 45y, dau/Alexander Binning
http://www.austcemindex.com/index.php?surname=binning
Judith
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Hi,
Are you able to provide parent names please?
Leanne
yes the parents were Sween & Isabella Macdonald nee Mcintosh ... thank you for your assistance .... :)
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Hi Edward,
I assume Margaret is the daughter of Sween & Isabella? If so she most likely married Alexander Binning in Bathurst in 1860. If you buy the marriage certificate it should provide a large amount of information.
Jo :)
yes magaret is the daughter of Sween & Isabella & thank you for your help :)
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Among other children born to this couple, there was certainly one named ISABELLA
REG V18621873 45A/ In 1862 BINNING Isabella
Parents Alexander & Margaret
Sue
thank you very much Sue for your assistance ... :) ;) :) ;) Edward
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Austcemindex has photos of the graves of Margaret (nee MacDonald) BINNING and her husband Alexander at Rookwood Old Presbyterian Cemetery.
Alexander, died 7 Jun 1878, aged 44y, parents unk; h/Margaret; father
Margaret, died 13 Mar 1884, aged 47y, née McDonald; dau/Alexander & Margaret (sic); w/Alexander; mother
A couple of other BINNING burials are shown at Rookwood, including a child and another person listed as daughter of Alexander.
Margaret E BINNING, died 7 Sep 1867, aged 6y8m, dau/Alexander & Margaret
Mary, died 18 May 1880, aged 45y, dau/Alexander Binning
http://www.austcemindex.com/index.php?surname=binning
Judith
thank you very much Judith for your help & info much appreciated.. ;D ;D
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It is quite possible this burial etc. is your Margaret despite the incorrect parents’ names. The informant at the time of death may have been confused about the question or simply did not really know who her parents were.
I would be settling the doubt by purchasing a transcription of the certificate of marriage of Alexander BINNING and Margaret MCDONALD. On this she would be providing the information herself and if it is correctly completed her parents’ names and great deal of other information will be shown.
As previously given-
Reg 1306 In 1860 BINNING Alexander
to MACDONALD Margaret
at BATHURST
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/bdm_fh.html#transcription
Here is a link to what you may find on
Australian certificates-
http://www.jaunay.com/bdm.html
The couple had a son and, as a long shot, :P the initial of his second forename may be of interest.
Birth
Reg 1969 In 1870 BINNING JAMES
Parents Alexander & Margaret at SYDNEY
Death
Reg 8776 In 1895 BINNING James S
Parents Alexander & Margaret at KATOOMBA
Sue
ADDING
Someone with rich resources for NSW may be able to track this man and reveal his second given name.
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Aahhhh!
Forget my longshot please :(
Here is a death notice and his second given name was STEWART
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0wou/
Apologies.
Sue
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Hi
Maybe the Binning is correct http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=mostlytasmanian&id=I26681
Muss
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Alexander Binning had been married previously (not NSW) to a Christiana. They had a loss of (3) Three children in 1857.... :o They must have split up as she remarries as Christiana MacDonald in 1858 and he remarries Margaret MacDonald.
They must have been triplets as their births are same year. A surviving son Robert born 1847. died at Bathurst 1907.
Neil
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Hold the phone......Could there be two Alexanders as his wife Christian/Christiana and he were having children in 1833. Heaps. ???
Not much making sense now ::)
Neil
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TROVE has an obit for Mrs Isabella Christina MCBAIN, d 28 Oct, 1946, aged 87; daughter of Swene (sic) and Ann MCDONALD who came from Scotland and farmes at Hay, where Isabella was born.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/58155636
Edit to add: Death and Funeral notices for her here. She is buried at Wallan as are most of her family. TROVE has a number of family notices for her children.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/page/1675169
Judith
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ALEXANDER BINNING AGE 44 YEARS DIED SYDNEY SYDNEY 1109/1878
ALEXANDER BINNING FATHER WILLIAM MOTHER JANE DIED HARTLEY 3789/1863
There are two.
Neil
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Re the triplets born to Alexander and Christiana. There is a birth notice for them, born in Bowenfels (TROVE) and registered in Hartley (NSW BMDs)
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/64984670
Judith
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Following on from Neil - TROVE has a report of the inquest into the 1878 death.He was aged 44 and had a wife Margaret according to the newspaper report.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/114524387
Death notice for the man who died in 1863 at Bowenfels (aged 53) is here
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/13077382
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Hi
Maybe the Binning is correct http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=mostlytasmanian&id=I26681
Muss
TROVE has an obit for Mrs Isabella Christina MCBAIN, d 28 Oct, 1946, aged 87; daughter of Swene (sic) and Ann MCDONALD who came from Scotland and farmes at Hay, where Isabella was born.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/58155636
Edit to add: Death and Funeral notices for her here. She is buried at Wallan as are most of her family. TROVE has a number of family notices for her children.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/page/1675169
Judith
So this may be the death of SWEEN's first wife
MCDONALD Ann
Father: Campbell Jno
Mother: Sarah LAMONT
Age52
Death Place HTON
Year 1881
Reg Number 10664
(It's getting difficult with 3 threads going ???)
Sue
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Following on from Neil - TROVE has a report of the inquest into the 1878 death.He was aged 44 and had a wife Margaret according to the newspaper report.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/114524387
Death notice for the man who died in 1863 at Bowenfels (aged 53) is here
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/13077382
Hi Judith,
This is what has prompted me to think the marriage certificate would be worthwhile purchase.
Sue
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There is an indexing at NSW State Records for the deceased estate of Margaret Binning 1884
http://srwww.records.nsw.gov.au/indexsearch/searchhits.aspx?table=Deceased Estates&ID=15&query=binning&frm=0
Sue
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Here is the marriage of Sween and Ann in Victoria
MCDONALD Sween
CAMPBELL Annie
Year 1858
Reg 3128
Sue
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So this may be the death of SWEEN's first wife
MCDONALD Ann
Father: Campbell Jno
Mother: Sarah LAMONT
Age52
Death Place HTON
Year 1881
Reg Number 10664
(It's getting difficult with 3 threads going ???)
Sue
Mmm... Maybe not ! She is a bit older than SWEEN and her headstone inscription at HAMILTON Cemetery says she is the wife of one Donald McDONALD and father of one James. The birth of James is registered and indexed as are the deaths of both ANN and DONALD. ??? ???
Sue
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So----- Perhaps one of these is the death of ANN, first wife of SWEEN
REG 5968 In 1879 MCDONALD Annie
Parents Loughlin & Christina
At HAY
REG 4867In 1881 MCDONALD Annie
Parents John & Margaret
At HAY
There is a burial for the 1881 death at Hay Cemetery
Like SWEEN's the exact location is not known and the grave is unmarked.
The date was 18th June 1881
Sue
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Hi,
Are you able to provide parent names please?
Leanne
Sorry Leanne to have taken so long to answer , the parent's of Jane, Sween, Margaret & Donald were Sween Macdonald & Isabella McIntosh of Clachnaharry Inverness Scotland.....Edward :)
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Hi Edward,
I was at NSW State records a couple of days ago and didn't have Sween McDonald on my list. But next time (maybe in a few weeks) I can photograph Sween McDonald's and Margaret Binning's Probate files which may have death notices and extra clues.
But perhaps you will get a better, earlier offer. :)
cheers,
Ros
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Hi Edward,
I was at NSW State records a couple of days ago and didn't have Sween McDonald on my list. But next time (maybe in a few weeks) I can photograph Sween McDonald's and Margaret Binning's Probate files which may have death notices and extra clues.
But perhaps you will get a better, earlier offer. :)
cheers,
Ros
Thank you very much Ros I really appreciate your help your a champion ...Edward :) :)
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This is my first time. So I hope I'm posting it in the correct place.
I have the marriage certificate and probate of Margaret MacDonald she did married Alexander Binning (he was only married once).
Marriage certificate lists her parents as Sween McDonald (carpenter) and Isabella MacKintosh they married on the 6th December 1860 at her sister's Jane Sadlers Inn William St Bathurst. The marriage certificate was signed in the presence of Margaret s niece Henrietta Jane Sadler.
Margaret and Alexander Binning had the following children
Margaret Binning 1861 -1867 buried at Rockwood Cemetery
Isabella Binning 1862 -1940 married Sir James Anderson Murdoch
Alexander John Binning 1864-1940 never married buried at Gore Hill Cemetery
Henrietta Jane Binning 1867 -1909 married Ambrose Hand buried at Gore Hill Cemetery
James Stewart Binning 1870 - 1895 died at Signal Cottage Lawson NSW
Probate for Margaret Binning at the time of her death(15.03.1884) she was living at 15 Pearl St Surrey Hills
Trustee of the Will was her daughter Isabella Binning at the time of probate Isabella was living at 403 Riley St Surrey Hills
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Hello LilyRose1,
Welcome to rootschat :)
Yes you have posted this in the correct place. :) And wonderful that you can add more info which I am sure Edward will be very pleased to get. I did photograph the probate records for Edward so we did have a little bit of this.
I'm sure Edward will be along soon.
cheers,
Ros
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Neil and Sue and Margaret
I am related to Harriet Binning ,daughter of Christina and Alexander Binning of Bowensfels.
Harriet Married Henry Dodds who is the brother of my GGGrandfather.
I do have some photos of Harriet and Henry on their wedding day and other portraits that where taken of them.
Harriet and Henry are both buried at Yass cemetery along with their small babes.
One of their Daughters is Minnie Lee who Married Alfred Lee in Yass.
Alfred is the gguncle to Jack Thompson.
Alfred and Minnie also owned Bank's Diary that he wrote on his voyage to Australia with Captain Cook and Many other Great and Priceless pieces of Australian History.
Alexander Built the Royal Hotel on the Great Western Highway at South Bowensfels in 1830.it was also known as the Donnybrook.
Alexander was a Stonemason from Scotland.
Regards
Barb
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Hi Barb,
Welcome to rootschat :)
Hopefully Edward and LilyRose will be along soon - they should have been notified of your post if they haven't changed their e-mail addresses recently.
How wonderful to have so much information about the family and their contribution to Australian history!
You probably have these but just in case you don't, here is an obit to Minnie Lee who died in 1938 http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article249564533 and a death notice http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article17521867 Here is marriage notice for Alfred and Minnie http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article13431074. And a very informative obit to Alfred LEE which mentions his association with David Mitchell (and the Mitchell Library collection) and the Banks Diary http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article246070828. Such an interesting man!
Ros
adding : There is a probate record for Minnie Lee https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/item/629451 at NSW archives which I can photograph for you if you don't already have it.
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Neil and Sue and Margaret
I am related to Harriet Binning ,daughter of Christina and Alexander Binning of Bowensfels.
Harriet Married Henry Dodds who is the brother of my GGGrandfather.
I do have some photos of Harriet and Henry on their wedding day and other portraits that where taken of them.
Harriet and Henry are both buried at Yass cemetery along with their small babes.
One of their Daughters is Minnie Lee who Married Alfred Lee in Yass.
Alfred is the gguncle to Jack Thompson.
Alfred and Minnie also owned Bank's Diary that he wrote on his voyage to Australia with Captain Cook and Many other Great and Priceless pieces of Australian History.
I am also a descendant of Alexander & Christiana Binning (nee Ross), through son Thomas James Binning.
I am taking Mum to Bowensfel & Hartley over the next few weeks, incliding to have a meal at the Donnybrook. Mum lived in Yass for a time without realising we had family there.
I am looking forward to learning more about this family heritage.
Regards
Katherine
ACT