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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Topic started by: RedMystic on Wednesday 13 November 13 00:33 GMT (UK)
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Hi Chatters
This post is to put you on stand-by for some look-ups. ;)
I have decided to build a Find A Grave site for the ghost town of Lovett, Alberta. (For those of you who are following the John Lloyd story on this thread, yes, I`m still fixated on John Lloyd`s story and his burial at Lovett. ::) ;D He is getting a war memorial next summer.)
There were 2 cemeteries in Lovett - Russian Othodox & the Lovett Cemetery. The Russian Orthodox has NOT 1 one burial name that is identifiable. How sad.
The Lovett Cemetery has some identifiable graves including 3 WWI soldiers & 1 deserter. None of these soldiers has yet to be recognized by the War Graves Commission. There are also way too many children under age 2. :'( (I have to wonder if the soldiers returning in 1918 brought the Spanish flu int this very remote community.)
Alberta is so hard to research that I thought that Find a Grave may be the only way anyone ever finds these people. I will be calling on Chatters to help me find family connections for the burials that are identifiable. ;)
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The first search challenge for Lovett cemetery:
Who were the parents of the following & where did they go
David Lamond
Born 2 June
Died 8 November 1918
Budded on earth to bloom in heaven. Erected by his sorrowing parents. (Footstone initials: D.L.)
Do you think it could have been David (miner) & Helen Lamond in 1921 in Evansburg, Pembina, Alberta with children Jame age 3 & Malcolm age 1
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went to LAC to view the census for 1916.
1916 Alberta/District Macleod/S.Dist 39, Village of Frank
David Lamond, head, age 29, b. Scotland, immigrated 1911, occupation mine/coal
Hellen Lamond, wife, 25, b. Scotland, imm 1912
David Lamond, son, age 2, b. Alberta
Alberta isn't my strong point but isn't this in the same area as Lovett.
Val
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I'm thinking that's them too. Village of Frank is down south in the Crowsnest Pass, but it seems like the miners from the UK moved around a fair bit. Lovett is in central Alberta. It looks like the 1916 census shows the wee David who died & was buried in Lovett. Thank you. :-*
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David Lamond
Born 2 June
Died 8 November 1918
Budded on earth to bloom in heaven. Erected by his sorrowing parents. (Footstone initials: D.L.)
Hi:
Was that the actual inscription? When I first read it my thought was he was born 2 June 1918. But valerie's post would have him born in 1914.
Just wondering.
sami
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Hi Sami, That's a good question & it was my first inclination too.
I'm waiting on the headstone photos (there aren't many in this cemetery - most wooden crosses, but there is a stone for this child apparently). The person who made the notes wrote June 2 19, so perhaps it meant June 2 19? Or, perhaps the last numbers of the year are legible.
Any suggestions on how to confirm given Alberta' privacy laws?
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I've found a family tree for David & Helen that doesn't have child David in it, but guess where their second child was born ... yup ... Lovettville! I know it doesn't prove anything, but it does give me some confidence that it's the right couple. ;)
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Any suggestions on how to confirm given Alberta' privacy laws?
Good question - the only way I ever get anywhere in Alberta is with directories and newspapers.
Speaking of which I did see the following reference for Lovettville:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0wuo/
sami
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That's an awesome find sami. Thank you.
I've done some more digging on the Lamond family. It's unlikely that anyone will come looking for David Lamont in Lovett Cemetery. The next sibling, James, died in 1943 in Germany. It looks like the youngest sibling, Malcolm, died in 1922 age 2.5 years in Entwistle (4.5km from where they were listed in 1921 census.) :'( I have sent a message to the member with the tree for the sibling who died in Germany & I will be able to use Find A Grave to connect wee David to his siblings for posterity.
I'll post the next Lovett burial for searching tomorrow.
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The Royal BC Museum site has a 1973 death for a David Lamond, widower, and the informant is a friend. He was born in Scotland around 1887 and was a mine engineer on the death certificate. This is probably David senior. I was hoping to find a death for Helen in BC to confirm but no such luck.
Will keep looking, Val
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That is great Valerie. Thank you. I see his ashes were at the Royal Oak Crematorium in Victoria so I've been able to set that up & link it to the wee David in Lovett.
I suspect that Helen died in Alberta as I'm not seeing her in BC either. The on-line family tree I found doesn't say, but it does show that her father James Crawford died in Alberta (though it doesn't indicate where). ::) Neither Helen nor her father are in the Entwistle cemetery listing (where the youngest known son is buried.)
Thanks again.
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I went back to both the 1916 and 1921 census to see if I had missed anything.
It shows that James Crawford and Helen immigrated in 1912. David Lamond immigrated in 1911. On both census it has James Crawford as widowed so I am assuming that his wife may have passedin Scotland. So I had a look to see if there were any other Crawford's in Frank in 1916 and there is a John Crawford, age 31, fire boss, coal mine who immigrated in 1911. Same year as David. I can't find John Crawford on the census in 1921 with the rest of the family.
There is the Crawford/Thibault family tree at Ancestry which does show David death in Victoria. I do think the Victoria death that I found is him. If James Crawford was born in 1917/18 it is possible that he married before going off to war. Very strange that the CWG doesn't show his parents or wife. I tried to follow David through the voter's lists and that may be the only way to find where he lived at any given time. I don't have membership at A*** so hopefully someone will have a look at that.
Will keep looking.
Val
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Thank you Val. :-* I hadn't thought to look for additional Crawfords. Brilliant! I'll look in the Voter's Lists as I have access to those.
In the meantime, if someone wants to start on the next Lovett burial, please. :)
Thomas Clifford Letcher
25 Dec 1893
17 Nov 1918
Gone But Not Forgotten
I've done a quick search. He signed up for WWI 22 Mar 1916 in Nova Scotia. His wife was Florence May (maiden name unknown). His father appears to be George Albert Letcher / mother Effie Deliah Taylor. There is a tree on *A* that indicates no death date for Thomas, but it does show 4 "private" children.
Can you find out anything more about Thomas please? Can anything be found on his wife (so I can link the Find A Grave cemetery listings) or their children (who might be very elderly, but perhaps still alive)?
Also (I've not had a chance to look), if someone spots where father George Albert Letcher is buried, I can then link the Lovett grave to his Thomas Letcher's family. Nova Scotia death records show that the father died: Name: George Albert Letcher
Birth: 1875
Death: 26 Oct 1957 in Northport, Nova Scotia, Canada
Civil: 1957
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I recognized the name when you said he was from Nova Scotia.
He is from my hometown of Springhill, NS. I will find the information on this one. He is the same age as my great grandfather so was probably one of his friends. One of my Dad's cousins was married to a Letcher.
I have to go out for awhile but will get on this when I get back.
Val
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That response gave me goose bumps, Val. What a small world. :o I'm going to leave the digging on this one to you as you have such a close connection. (I can't wait to see what you find.) :)
I have determined that several family members came west. The 1916 census shows father George Albert Letcher, miner from Nova Scotia living in Red Deer Alberta (where we sold our acreage just 2 weeks ago ;)). He must have gone back to NS afterwards. According to an *A tree, one of Thomas' sisters died in Fernie, BC (another mining town).
Marie Patience Letcher m Henry Claude Leary
24 Sep 1895 in Springhill, Cumberland, Nova Scotia
13 Dec 1984 in Fernie, British Columbia, Canada
I'd love anything you can dig up on Thomas' war file. As the Commonwealth War Graves is commemorating John Lloyd at Lovett in summer 2014, it would be nice if they could do the other 2 soldiers. (They aren't likely to be interested in the fellow who looks to have been a deserter ::))
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For any Chatters that didn't follow the John Lloyd thread that got me stuck on the cemetery at Lovett, here's the link FYI.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=546994.0
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Hi RedMystic:
I've been reading all the links with great interest. It really is a fascinating story!
In the 1921 Census the municipality of Lovett is in Alberta / Edmonton West / Sub-District 039. There are 160+ people listed on images 15 to 18.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0wv7/
Just in case you haven't thought of this already, it might be helpful for use as a database.
sami
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That is an excellent idea sami. Thank you. :)
The three people in the cemetery that I've researched so far (there are only a handful who are known, though more graves are apparent :'() appear to have been there alone or had families that moved along, but the 1921 census will surely be a goldmine ... 'er coal mine ::) ;D ... of great information.
I wish there was some way to determine who are in the unmarked graves, but how to do that evades me at this point. (They aren't in AB Archives, that's where I got the short list from which I'm working.)
It's great to have so many on-board.
Thanks too, to our new Chatter, dbreeze1 who sent me a personal message. I really appreciate your contribution. You say you're new to researching. Learning by doing is always the best, so I'd say you're well on your way. ;)
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The 1928/29 Henderson's Alberta gazetteer and directory has listings for both Lovett and Lovettville. There is a population of 350 in Lovett and a population of 60 in Lovettville at that time. Too bad they don't list everyone, but it does give you a few more names to work with.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0wvf/
I am somewhat confused by the two listings. Which is more specific to this Cemetery topic?
sami
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From what I can tell Sami, Lovett & Lovettville are the same place. The CPR (Canadian Pacific Railway) called their stop in the village Lovett, but the village called itself Lovettville. ::) :P
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I have been looking through a lot of books that I have that aren't on-line as well as the census and the Nova Scotia Genealogy vital stats site.
The death of Thomas Letcher is from the Moss Diary by Joseph Moss. He kept a notebook and diary of all deaths that happened in the town or to Springhill Families. It is a wealth of information.
It appears that the Letcher family will start with
Joseph and Patience (Martin) Letcher, Cornwall, England
I have found at least 3 sons and possibly 4
Richard Martin Letcher, b. July 12, 1864, Cornwall, England, d. Feb. 11, 1959, buried in Wentworth
m. Emma Budd
Joseph Henry Letcher, b. July 15, 1873, d. March 1, 1950, buried Hillside Cemetery, Springhill
m. Sarah Alice McCarthy in 1891
George Albert Letcher, b. April 8, 1897, Westville, d. Oct 26, 1957, Northport, burial Northport Hillside Cemetery
m. Effie Deliah Taylor, b. May 14, 1876, Parrsboro, NS, d. Dec 23, 1955, Northport, burial Northport Hillside Cemetery.
George Letcher and Effie Deliah Taylor
m. April 26, 1893
1901 Census, Springhill
George Letcher, b. Apr 8, 1867 year is wrong, age 27
Effa D., b. May 14, 1865 year is wrong, age 25
Thomas, b. Dec 23, 1895 year is wrong, age 7
Marey P. b. Sept 24, 1895, age 5
Effa M., b. Nov 5, 1897, age 3
George L., b. Sept 5, 1899, age 1
I can't find the family on the 1911 census but they may have been on the move. In 1909, there was a huge strike by coal miners in Nova Scotia that lasted for several months and many of the miners were still on strike at censu time in 1911. As most miners lived in company homes, many were displaced and were living with family members or on the road looking for work. Many from Springhill went west to Canmore and area.
Another son was born between the 1901 and 1911 census.
Ernest Albert Letcher, d. 5/9/1979, Pugwash, NS, age 74, buried at Northport Hillside Cemetery.
m. Stella Agnes Brownell, b. 1905 and d. September 28, 1971, buried Northport Hillside Cemetery
1 August 1929
He is the informant on both his mother and father's death certificates.
He has 2 sons that are still living in the Northport area and are on Canada 411 just in case that information becomes important at some time.
Now on to Thomas Letcher
b. December 23, 1893, Springhill, NS
d. December 6, 1918, out west of the flu
m. Florence Harvey, age 18, 1912
one of the witnesses was Mrs. Matilda Bainbridge, her sister
I checked the 1921 census for Florence Letcher but didn't get what I expected.
1921/Nova Scotia/Cumberland/Dist 55 Rodney
Main St., Springhill
Bert Bainbridge, age 44
Matilda Bainbridge, age 32
Pearl Letcher, age 8, b. about 1913, Alberta, niece
F. Letcher, age 2, b. about 1919, Alberta, niece (same name as the mother just in case could be living)
I think these are 2 of the children of Thomas and Florence.
There is no sign of Thomas' wife, Florence just the 2 children. I can't find anything else on this family anywhere.
Is it possible that Florence also died in the flu epidemic.
Thomas Clifford Letcher
Reg # 716058
106th Battalion
enlisted March 22, 1916, Springhill, NS
I am really hoping that one of these 2 sites will work and you can access his picture.
I did a search for 106th Oveseas Battalion CEF and this came up
www.angelfire.com/trek/rifles/rindex.htm
Number 12 Platoon, picture #23
T. C. Letcher
www.angelfire.com/trek/rifles/page39.htm
fingers crossed that the link works, I am off for a well earned coffee and break.
Oh, My Dad's cousin married one of Joseph Henry Letcher's sons, so he would have been Thomas first cousin. Sadly, none of his children lived so no help there.
Val
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Wowzers Val. You're right. You deserve a cup of coffee - with a shot of Bailey's! I'm going to print this off to work through it carefully.
Any sign of where George Letcher and Effie Deliah Taylor are buried - maybe I missed it in my skim. I know George was in the Red Deer area in 1916 so that fits with your strike info. Daughter Marie Patience Letcher was in Edmonton in 1916. She married & went to Calgary, then eventually to Fernie, BC. It looks like son George Lavers Letcher died in Kelowna, BC.
Your find on Pearl & F Letcher born in Alberta but back in NS in 1921 is intriguing! I must try to find out if they are daughters of Thomas & Florence. The on-line trees don't have a death date/place for Florence. Hmmmm. It makes me wonder if she dies in AB too.
I will also need to double back to see when George Lavers Letcher came west as the children could be his I suppose.
I haven't tried the links yet, but I will. Sooooo much great stuff to dig through. :-*
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George and Effie Letcher are buried in Northport Hillside Cemetery.
Regarding the 1921 census, I think the children Pearl and Florence are children of Thomas and Florence as Matilda was Florence' sister and they are listed as niece. There is no relation between Matilda and George Lavers Letcher.
Val
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That's tremendous Val. Amazing finds. :-*
I think they are the right kids too. It may mean that Florence died in Alberta so the kids got sent home to NS - darn the privacy laws in that province that make it sooooo hard to search!! ::) :P
AND you found a picture or Thomas Clifford Letcher. (The links you posted worked perfectly! ;))
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I found the other 2 children on the 1921 census
Evelyn Letcher
age 7, b. 1914, NS
granddaughter
Dist 55/Rodney/Syndicate Road, Springhill
William Harvey, head, age 59
Harriett Harvey, age 52
John Harvey, age 13, son
Evelyn Letcher, age 7, granddaughter
Georgina Letcher, age 5, boarder, in the household of Elizabeth Fraser
A lot of boarders in this house.
Interesting find
Florence McDonald, married, age 27, b. 1894, NS is the line above Georgina. I wonder if she remarried after Thomas died. Off on another search.
Val
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What a super idea RedMystic - and look at all the info you and your friends have collected here so far - amazing.
From being almost forgotten poor little Lovett is now having lots of attention!
Didn't realise Alberta had strict privacy laws.
Where will your 'Find a Grave' page be - or is it not set up yet. Only wondering as the only Lovett I could find last night was another one!
Great that pictures are coming to light for some of the men too - though perhaps the poor deserter's story also is worth doing - as who are we to judge what his state of mind was at the time.
There is a memorial to those 'Shot at Dawn' in the uk - and it has apparently got Canadians named as well - so who knows?
2001 What many now see as one of the great injustices of the First World War is about to be honoured in Britain as a memorial to 306 deserters, including 23 Canadians, nears completion in the English Midlands.
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There is a list of Canadians executed for desertion here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Canadian_soldiers_executed_for_military_offences (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Canadian_soldiers_executed_for_military_offences)
Not sure if you have the deserter's details or not.
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Thank you Crunware & Val.
I have received information from the Canadian head of the Commonwealth War Graves Commission that Thomas was considered a deserter. With Lovett relatively remote, perhaps it's why he took his family there.
Val wad absolutely correct with the thought of Thomas' wife re-marrying after he passed away. She married a Bill McDonald. Thank you Val. Her baby namesake (census says born abt 1919) must have actually been born in 1918 - perhaps it was after Thomas died. Very sad. :'(
For those of you with an *A* membership, here is a link to the tree I'm building. This is to make sure I connect the buried with enough family members that others can find them. As those buried don't connect as family, one has to search by burial name. So far, I have entered (but not quite finished the entries for ;)):
David Lamond (needs his headstone photo which will be uploaded later today)
Thomas Clifford Letcher (needs headstone photo & further census work which will be done today/tomorrow)
http://trees.ancestry.ca/tree/63337412/person/34100415461
At the same time, I'm building the Lovett Cemetery Find A Grave page. I have to upload the photo of the headstone for David Lamond (then he'll be complete), but still have work to do on Thomas Clifford Letcher (headstone, bio, links to other family members in other cemeteries). You can find it here.
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=cr&GSmid=47866276&GRid=120244227&CRid=2519806&
As I have several hours of work on on the two you've generously helped research, I will hold off posting another burial for you to look up for now. ;) :)
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I went back to both the 1916 and 1921 census to see if I had missed anything.
It shows that James Crawford and Helen immigrated in 1912. David Lamond immigrated in 1911. On both census it has James Crawford as widowed so I am assuming that his wife may have passedin Scotland. So I had a look to see if there were any other Crawford's in Frank in 1916 and there is a John Crawford, age 31, fire boss, coal mine who immigrated in 1911. Same year as David. I can't find John Crawford on the census in 1921 with the rest of the family.
Val
How right you were, Val, to go looking for Helen's Crawford relatives. :) Almost all (not quite) of her siblings came to Canada. Several died in Edmonton. John Crawford, who arrived with David Lamond Sr in 1911, died in Victoria (perhaps why David Lamond Sr retired there).
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Great page you've got on Find A Grave RedMystic - and how clever to add the info in on A*******.
My subscription has lapsed for now so cannot view but a great way to make contact with descendants as well.
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Thanks, Crunware. It has become a labour of love. ::) ;D
Thanks to Chatter Lilybell who has reminded me that while Alberta Archives might not have a full cemetery burial listing, the rural municipality may. Great thought. I'll give them a call after we get through the 8 known that have headstones. :)
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Sorry to hear that Thomas Letcher was considered a deserter. I will always wonder what led to that. Over 500 men from the Springhill area enlisted in WW1, one of the largest groups in the country. From what I have been able to find, the oldest daughter Pearl was born in Canmore as I suspected. The Harvey's were in Canmore early 1900's so many Springhill miners went back and forth between NS and Alberta/BC. Some of my relatives ended up in Drumheller and Kamloops. I still think every person deserves a grave marker if at all possible.
Val
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Would Thomas' Military File shed light on the circumstances I wonder?
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Hi Val & Crunware
I've been out & about quite a bit the last 2 days so searching has been limited. I have uploaded all but 3 of the headstone photos to the Find A Grave site (link provided a few days ago). It's a work in progress, so if you check it out, cut me some slack. ::) ;D The bios are a work in progress & I still haven't made links for the known families.
The war file for Thomas Letcher should shed some light on the possible deserter status, but I haven't decided if I want to spend the $25-50 for the file. I'm considering it though. ::) ;D
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OK, I can't wait until tomorrow. I'm curious to see what Chatters can find on the family of this wee girl: Mary Anne Knezevick. Are we able to connect her to parents so that I can add that to Find a Grave?
The head stone says: In loving memory of Mary Anne, Beloved Daughter of J.D. and E.K. Knezevick. Died Aug. 11 1918. Aged 1 day.
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GScid=2519806&GRid=120370904&
I haven't done any searching for this family yet, so anything you provide is golden. ;)
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Hi Red from the 1916 census Lovett,Alberta there is a Jerry Knezevich occupation store keeper Roman Catholic came to Canada 1912 born Austria.
He is unmarried so obviously married after this census,no sign of him on 1921 census.
I did see that surname out in B C on the 1911 census but a different first name. Will keep checking.
Lilybell
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Love what you are doing on the Find A Grave site RedMystic - definitely no criticism from this end - its marvellous that all these people are being remembered and that their stones are now visible to everyone.
Think I have only seen a picture of one stone from there before and the wooden crosses.
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Another bit of information found a burial listing on BillionGraves for a Jerry D Knezevich says born
1888 died 1987 Old Mission Cemetery, Spirit River AB #133 Div 19 Looks like this could be him as
1916 census says born 1890 so only a 2 year difference.His wife's name is on the headstone also.
You could check other records on A****ry for him. My membership has expired but he could be on Voters Lists.
Lilybell :) :) :)
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Wow he lived to a great age - despite probably a very hard life.
Sorry my membership to A****** also expired.
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Found a book titled Wheatfields and Wildflowers or Ryercroft ,Spirit River that has Jerry and Edith Knezevich in it. The Calgary Public Library has a copy.Will call and see if they will do a look up.There is also another book titled Pioneers of the Peace which has J D Knezevich in it will check and see if Calgary has that one .
Lilybell :) :) :)
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Wow! Wow! Wow! :-* I didn't expect that anyone would be able to find this much! Thank you Lilybell. Please let me know if the Calgary Library will do that look-up. :)
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1916 census for Jerry indicates he was a store keeper O A working on own account general store.
Some information I found on Edith wife of Jerry she was born Oct 21 1899 Mandan, North Dakota maiden name Platzer. She died September 23,1996 and had 9 children.
There are 10 burial records on BillionGraves for this name.Hoping the history book will provide more information.According to the history book Wheatfields and Wildflowers Jerry,Edith, Lawrence Jerome and Louis are mentioned .
The book Pioneers of the Peace has J D Knezevich mentioned.
Grande Prairie and District Branch -obituary indexes
gp.abgensoc.ca/obituaries.html
There is a charge of $15.00 per obituary, wonder if I can find a site which is more economical.
Lilybell
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This is all awesome! :-* I've got to take another breather so I can catch up with documenting the finds. ::) ;D Thank you for everything so far.
I'll be back with another name in the next day or so.
What a fabulously fun project this has turned out to be. :)
BTW, I just found out that there is 1 name known in the Russian Othodox Cemetery in Lovett. (It's not far from the main Lovett Cemetery.) I'll be adding that to the list for research after we make our way through the main cemetery. ;)
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Hi Chatters,
I thought you'd like an update on the cemetery research. It's evolving very well thanks to all of you. :)
Once I post these updates, I'll post a note requesting your help for another of the burials.
The Thomas Letcher search has taken on a life of its own. I worked through a bunch of obituaries and am now in touch with his grandson. 8) He has generously expressed an interest in helping with the cemetery restoration. :)
Lilybell has mailed me a bunch of info on the family of baby Mary Ann Knezevich. It should arrive around Friday. :-* Two family members visited the grave site for the first time this past summer.
Lilybell also found an obituary for David Lamond, our first search. :-* I've not seen it yet, but look forward to receiving it.
Sami went on the Lovett Cemetery Find A Grave site & picked a name to work on: James L
James Lohoar
Birth 4 Dec 1872 in Larkhall, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Death 26 Jul 1914 in Lovett, Alberta, Canada
Sami provided a great article about his drowning death which gave me the names of his wife & children. :-* Both of his children were in hospital in Edmonton at the time of his death. Once I had that info, I was able to do some further searching. It looks like his daughter MAY have died around that time ???, but his son survived to have two children. Tragically, one died age 9 in a terrible bike/truck accident. The other died age 30 of Crohn's Disease. :'(
Sami has also found an article about a murder in Lovett, Charles Farquharson . It occurred 4 Jul 1917. I'm betting he's in one of the unmarked graves, but I won't be able to confirm that unless the Rural Municipality has a list of burials that I've not yet sourced.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0wyc/
Finally in this update, here's a bit of research I did. The last burial in Lovett was Gloria Thurner, 3 years old, in 1944. In 2003, her brother's ashes were spread on her grave site.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=668512.new%3btopicseen#new
Wow! It has been a busy & satisfying few days! Thanks to all for the contributions. ;D
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Here's the next challenge.
This may be a stretch. Can you please find information for:
Jimmie Shiota
Birth abt 1878
Death 9 Nov 1918 in Lovett, Alberta, Canada
Headstone reads:
Japanese
Jimmie Shiota
Died Nov 9, 1918
Age 40
He is not dead but sleepeth
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Wow Red Mystic - you have all been so busy - love reading your updates here at breakfast time and makes me jealous that I am not over there with you and able to help with the search.
So much has been found and I think its remarkable. Wouldn't it be lovely if others did the same for all those other little neglected graveyards - now that would be a great memorial for 2014 and the anniversary of the Great War.
Back to re-read all your posting!
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Thanks Crunware. It is truly a joint effort. :)
I forgot to post the link to the article about James Lohoar that Sami found. As I understand it, he was the mine manager. Here it is.
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=bBRlAAAAIBAJ&sjid=24cNAAAAIBAJ&dq=lovett-alberta&pg=1086,2560423
His headstone reads:
In loving memory of James Lohoar. Drowned July 26 1914. Aged 42 years. A husband and father from us has gone. A voice we loved is still. A place is vacant in our hearts. That never can be filled.
Can others open the murder article (Charles Farquharson) in my last post? The links is not working for me, but if you're interested, I will try to find another way to post it. (It needs to be compressed as it is soooo long. Sami compressed it into a RootsChat link which works for me from my PM, but doesn't seem to work for me on my last post.)
I have confirmed that the rural municipality doesn't have a cemetery burial list. :'( That means that what I've got for headstones will likely be all I can search.
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I'm still interested in anything that can be found for the burial, Jimmie Shiota. I'm not seeing anything obvious. ???::)
Here's another interesting one. Can you detect anything more for Mike Tomovitch & who was Red Boboboh? Also, is there a way to find out which platoon Mike served with using his service number? I also can't find Mike's arrival in Canada before 1916. Can you????
Mike Tomovitch
Birth 26 Oct 1873 in Belgrade, Serbia
Death 9 Nov 1918 in Lovett, Alberta, Canada
Headstone reads:
Pte M Tomovitch 63 Batt.
Died Nov 9, 1918 Age 45 years
Erected by Red Boboboh
Serbian
His age on his headstone is 10 years older than his attestation papers. ;) He had served 3yrs 9mos in King Nicola's military; King Nicola took the throne in Montenegro in 1910; 1st Balkan War was 1912 (may have been Mike's European military experience); he signed up Edmonton; Cdn service #467632; next of kin: wife Maria in Belgrade in 1916.
I may have to cough up the $ to buy his service file as it doesn't look like I'm going to find a family member interested in doing that.
Anything you can find would be golden. :)
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Thanks for the great updates.
Yes I can read the murder article fine thanks - says 'case continues' so may be another article somewhere.
Also the drowning article - how sad.
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Hi Red, searched and searched for Jimmie Shiota but no luck. Did not see him on 1916 census or anywhere else. He could be a dead end.
Went onto the Find a Grave site and had a look through the names that are at the Lovett Cemetery. On George A MacAuley by going to the Alberta Homestead Index Database may ofcame upon what could be the father. There is a George and Roderick MacAuley at Section 17 Township 60 Range 3 W5.
Now moving on to Joseph Strickland there is a record for William Strickland Sec 2 Township 54 Range 8 W5.
Its not much but could lead to something. Will keep looking.
We have sun today and its warming up. Happy dance time. LOL
Lilybell :) :) :)
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Hi:
I've been working on Jimmie Shiota and have been assuming that he arrived in Canada via the west coast. The only Shiota name I've come across so far has been on the 1911 and 1921 census for Vancouver.
1911 Census:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0x13/
1921 Census
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0x12/
I'll keep pursuing the immigration records to see if it leads anywhere.
sami
*****modified to add the final article on the Farqhuarson murder:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0wya/
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Hi all.
Here is an update for Mike Tomovitch
Headstone inscription recorded about 1975: Pte M Tomovitch 63 Batt. COEF Died Nov 9, 1918 Age 45 years Erected by Red Boboboh Serbian
Headstone indicates he was 10 years older than his attestation papers. Attestation papers say he signed up 7 Mar 1916 in Edmonton. They also indicate that he had served in the military previously. Canadian service #467632. Next of kin: wife Maria in Belgrade in Mar 1916.
He had served 3yrs 9mos in King Nicola's military; King Nicola took throne in Montenegro in 1910. The King's forces were involved in the 1st Balkan War in 1912 which may have been Mike's European military experience.
Given the period in which he was in Europe, he would have participated in the following 63 Battalion battles.
Somme, 1916, 1 July–18 November 1916
Flers-Courcelette, 15–22 September 1916
Ancre Heights, 1 October–11 November 1916
He returned to Canada 9 Apr 1917 (likely injured).
NOTE: The 63 Battalion of the Canadian Expeditionary Force became the Loyal Edmonton Regiment (4th Battalion, Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry), or LER. It is now a Primary Reserve infantry unit of the Canadian Forces based in Edmonton, Alberta.
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I've also be working on Harvey Alexander Crawford. I thought he was going to be impossible, but I think the earlier research on David Lamond holds the secret. His mother was a Crawford.
Harvey Alexander Crawford
Born Oct 18 1919
Died Nov 2 1919
Aged 15 days
Sleep on sweet babe and take thy rest. God called thee home. He thought it best.
This is likely a cousin of David Lamond who was buried in the cemetery in 1918. David Lamond's mother's maiden name was Crawford. She, her husband, and most of her siblings (Crawfords) ended up in Edmonton by the late 1930s when Voters List information became available.
I believe his parents to be:
Alex Crawford
Birth abt 1889 in St Ninians, Stirlingshire, Scotland
Death 14 Jan 1963 in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Jean Ryan
Birth abt 1897 in Wales
In 1921 census, the likely parents are in the Carbon area where Alex is a pit boss. The son b1920 is named the same as the baby in the Lovett cemetery. I think they lost their first baby & named the second boy the same name.
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Whew! What a lot of findings have been made today. 8) :)
Sami, thank you very much for the Shiota look-ups. You got way further than I did. :) Thanks also for the follow-up murder article. :-*
Thank you Lilybell for the look-ups for MacAuley & Strickland. I look forward to seeing what else you find. (I'm so happy that your weather turned sunny & the snow stopped!! ;D)
Here are the headstone inscriptions for those two:
In memory of George A, son of D A and E M MacAuley. Died November 13 1918. Aged 9 months 8 days.
In memory of our beloved son Joseph who died July 31, 1914 aged 3 years and 2 months. William and Jane Strickland.
Shiota, the children above and this next one are the last of the searches to complete the project.
In loving memory of our dearly loved son Angus McLeod who died April 25 1916 aged 4 months 25 days. Erected by his sorrowing parents. Too good for earth. God called him home.
Thanks again.
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Hi Red
Information for D A MacAuley age 30 and E M MacAuley age 18. known as Donald Archibald and Effie from the 1916 Canadian Census. Donald born Cape Breton and Effie born Nova Scotia.
I wondered where they went and the following website indicates that.
www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cagha/cemeteries/stanislaus/modesto
Look up on Find A Grave Modesto Pioneer Cemetery, Modesto, Stanislaus County, California
Along with the first website you will find headstone pictures.
I love Find A Grave one of my favourite sites.
Doing the happy dance,LOL :) :) :)
Lilybell
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:-* :) :-* Lilybell! Thank you.
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Hi Red you are very welcome.
Took a look at the 1916 census and found Donald and Effie MacAuley and a Alexander and Katherine McLeod on same page. Do you think Alexander and Katherine were the parents of baby Angus ?
I am having difficulties with the 1921 census, was going to take a look and see if the McLeod's were still there.
Lilybell
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You rock Lilybell!
I'm looking at the David (Archibald) MacCauley in 1916 / 1921. The age and name doesn't align with the David Alex MacCauely in the cemetery in California. I can see from his headstone that he was born in Canada. I can't open the link (darn Surface, I'm sure it would work on my desktop). Do you have more that makes you think the two are one & the same? ??? ;D
Alexander & Katherine certainly look like the most likely possibility for baby Angus McLeod. :-* My only question is when was Lovett's census taken. Was it before or after the date of the baby's death on 25 Apr 1916? Hmmmmm
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Good morning Red
The 1916 Canadian census was started in June 1916. They had no children yet on that census
Something to keep in mind census records had quite a few errors. Depends on who gave the information.
I had trouble with the Modesto link also so I went back and keyed in Effie MacAuley Alberta genealogy. Let me know if you are still having problems.
I am out and about today so will pick it up tonight.
Lilybell
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Had time to sneak back to my computer and give you this info .
Check on A****try there appears to be a Naturalization record for Effie,a Border Crossing record and Family Tree info.
I cannot look as my membership has expired. Maybe you can find more info to indicate this is the right person.
Her burial info indicates she was born 1918, census says she was 18 so that makes her year of birth as 1898 and Donald age 30 making his birth year1886 . His burial info says DOB as 1881 off by 5 years.
Must run.
Lilybell
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Hi Lilybell, I really appreciate the California MacAuley connection, but think I have found an alternatie.
In 1921, the census shows the family in Edson. He is working for the railway. They have 2 children: George (b1920) & Mary Ann (b1917). I think, in 1949, the Voters' list shows them in Coalspur, Jasper, Alberta, where he is working as a locomotive foreman.
There is a book on Jasper graves indexes. It is available through the AB Genealogical Society. I'm not a member. Is anyone here?
Also, I think, that the father's birth info may be:
Donald Archibald MacAulay
Birth 1 Aug 1886 in Catalone, Cape Breton, Nova Scotia, Canada
If so, his father would be:
Neil Torquil MacAulay m Mary Ann Johnston
Birth 15 Oct 1836 in Catalone, Cape Breton, Nova Scotia, Canada
Death 24 Mar 1919 in Catalone, Cape Breton, Nova Scotia, Canada
Val (or others with access to NS data) can you please do a look up for this family in any books to see if it says anything about this family?
Thanks again to all to all the sleuthing. :)
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…...who was Red Boboboh?
Hi RM:
Have you found the answer to that?
I'm wondering if it is this man listed in (of all places ;) ) the 1921 Lovett census:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0x22/
The transcription reads 'Red Bosch' but it looks more like 'Red Bobich'.
sami
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That's brilliant info on Red Boboboh, Sami. :-* Thanks. It looks like there were a number of Serbians in Lovett/Edson at the time, doesn't it? :)
I wonder what happened to Mike Tomovitch's wife in Serbia. ??? (That's a rhetorical question as we are likely to never know. ::))
BTW, I have reported Mike Tomovitch to the Book of Remembrance. Maybe we can have him recognized before the 2014 recognition of John Lloyd so both can get a memorial. ;) :-\ :)
On the MacAulay front:
I'm quite sure I've found the MacAulay family. In 1945, the family is still together with their 2nd son in Coalspur. Father is a foreman with the railway. Son, the 2nd George, is a trainman. The parents are still in Coalspur in 1949.
There is a Find A Grave for Jasper, but no MacAulays are shown. Lilybell had a friend check the Jasper cemetery index. There are no Donald Archibald & Effie M MacAulay. ::) Thanks for the look up. :-*
2nd Son George MacAulay (brother to the Lovett Cemetery George MacAulay) died in Edson 1973. I don't see his wife in the cemetery, but she may not have died at the point it was photographed (or could still be alive). ;)
I haven't found George MacAulay's (from Lovett Cemetery) sister, Mary Ann. I'll try to get the 1973 obit for George to see if that gives any hints. I need to take another look at that California link Lilybell provided. There my have be a coincidence with the names - there is a Mary Effie in Modesto who could be Mary Ann. There is a Donald, but the birth age is 5 year earlier. ??? ::) ;D
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I checked the Mountain Park Cemetery at Cadomin and no Donald or Effie there..looked it up on Find A grave. There is a nice write up and history behind it.
Lilybell
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Hi,
This could be another sibling MacAulay. Neil Thomas b. August 12th, 1921. Didn't make the 1921 census as it was taken June 1. Killed in WW2 June 22, 1943 buried in the Netherlands. Parents are
Donald Archibald and Effie Menetta MacAulay of Coalspur, Alberta.
http://www.veterans.gc.ca/eng/collections/virtualmem/detail/2620016
Cheers,
DAB
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Thanks for the update Lilybell. :)
Dbreeze, you said you're new to this researching game. You've made a great find with that. It certainly looks like a fit. Congratulations. Thank you. :-*
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Hi Red Mystic
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Cheers
DAB
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Memorial Warrant Officer Neil Thomas MacAulay-Canada At War
www.canadaatwar.ca/.../124478/warrant-officer-neil-thomas-macaulay
Lilybell
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The Alberta Genealogical Society
They have records for 14 cemeteries in the Hinton,Cadomin and more areas
I will see what I can find out tomorrow.
Lilybell
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Went back to Nova Scotia census records and came up with the following for Effie on the 1901 census there is a Effie M. Carty born on Feb 7,1898 Sandy Cove, Digby Dist Nova Scotia, Father Thomas and mother Edna. She was 3 years old. Next checked 1911 Census for same place and she is 13 years old.Do you feel this is the right one taking into
Found the birth record for Donald Archibald and for Effie Mae on Nova Scotia Vital Statistics.
Donald was living in Alberta when he applied for registration of birth.
Did not find a marriage on that site for them. So perhaps they married in Alberta.
My next question is where did their son Neil Thomas go, did not find him on 1916 census. If as the
military record indicates he was born 1912 where is he . Can anyone find him ??? ??? ????
Lilybell
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Sorry meant to say taking into consideration Effie's fathers's name of Thomas.
Lilybell
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Hi Lillybell,
You got an early start. Thank you.
I can't open the link Lilybell provided for Neil MacAulay. :-\ (It is likely this darn Surface. I'm not liking my new laptop. ::)) I've been to the Canada At War site, but see only a death date. Where are you a dbreeze getting a birth date / war record? ???
I finally got into the link dbreeze posted. ::) :P :) Thank you dbreeze. (debreeze has 12 Aug 1921 in her post.) ;) That would explain the census incongruence, Lilybell.
I'll follow you into FamilySearch to look at the Vital Statistics records. ;)
PS My husband is going to a Grey Cup party. Guess what I'm going to be doing? ;)
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Hi Red,
Am I losing my mind or what LOL where is Neil Thomas MacAulay. Went to 1921 census and I can not find him. ??? ??? ??? ???
I did run into a Neil MacAuly the right age in Manitoba but different parents.
If he was born in Alberta might not be able to track him down without paying for a birth cert.
When you think about Effie's age and Neil's birth gee that would make her 14.
Wow awfully young. :o :o :o :o
Lilybell
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Neil Macaulay's birth date is 12 Aug 1921. That means he was born after the 1921 census. ;)
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Hi,
This is where I found Neil MacAulay's birth date.
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/war-dead/001056-119.01-e.php?id_nbr=21271
Cheers
DAB
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Thanks put it down to lack of sleep LOL
Liybell
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Hi
I have been working at this off an on all week-end in between making food for all my guests.
Effie Carty was born in Sandy cove in 1889 and the Effie that was married to Donald Archibald Mc/MacAuley/ay was born in 1898 if you go by the census info.
Little bit of history here that can perhaps help in some way.
Catalone is a small fishing/farming area close to Louisbourg. Communities close by would be Gabarus and Mira. It was settled around 1827 by Scot from North Uist. From North Uist, the religion would be Presbyterian, from South Uist Roman Catholic. So looking at the religion will help determine if he is a McAuley from Catalone. Effie is a very common name in Cape Breton and among Scot's within the province of Nova Scotia.
Although, BMD's were required to be registered many were not and therefore we have the delayed registration of births. Most delayed registrations of birth were done by a family member and not by the person themselves. For Donald ARCHIE McAulay the delayed registration of birth was by his older sister Elizabeth (Lizzie) McAulay Nove 4, 1931. It does not give any information as to where Donald was living at the time of the registration.
There is another delayed registration of birth for Alexander McAulay b. Aug 1, 1886, Catalone, NS. The application was his mother Mary Ann Johston, Catalone and the date was Sept 30, 1925. That would make Alexander and Donald Archie twins. Went back to the census info and they are listed as twins. Other siblings are Elizabeth (Lizzie), Effie, Donald John or Dan John (depending on various records), Margaret. There is also a son William that is the informant on his mother's death registration.
Mary Ann MacAulay
d. Sept. 13, 1934, Catalone
William MacAulay
b. May 1896
d. Aug 28, 1950 Newton, Massachusetts
Alexander MacAulay
d. 1940
wife - Jessie Katherine Crossman d. 1991
not 100% sure that this is the twin brother, still trying to confirm
I have found Lamonds also living in Cape Breton and miners by occupation. At least one Lamond married a MacAulay
Christine Lamond b. 1889, d. 1976
m. John A. MacAulay
Loch End Cemetery, Catalone has burials for
Neil T. McAulay d. 1919
Daughter Margaret, d. 1915
son D. J. (?Dan John) d. 1921
Mary Ann, d. 1934
Hope I don't sound like I am rambling. Just trying to get the information down in case I lose my scratch papers once again.
So back to the son George.
If they are Scot from CB and used the naming pattern, the son George would be named for Effie's father, the next child should be named for Donald's mother, the next son would be named for Donald's father, the next daughter for Effie's mother. With son George dying before any other male children being born, it would not be unusual for the parents to name the next son George after the father. It does appear they followed the naming pattern as George, MaryAnn then Neil were the names of the children.
There is a book on the MacAulays that is available through the Cape Breton Genealogy Society but I am not a member so can't access it.
There a a few family trees at Ancestry that list Donald Archibald McAulay, b. 1886 Catalone. so hopefully, someone with membership can access that perhaps his wife will be listed and that could confirm the connection. Make sure to use all the alternate spellings as the surname spelling changes even within documents.
I did check the obituaries that are available through the Cape Breton Gen Web but no luck.
A lot of miners and families left Nova Scotia during the early 1900's before the 1911 census as there was a huge miners strike that affected all the coal mines in Nova Scotia. Alberta was the place of choice for the coal miners. Canmore was a particular pick for many of the miners.
Just for interest, if anyone is thinking about ordering a military file from WW1, some of the files are digitized and available to view at LAC. One is James Peter Robertson who won the Victoria Cross. He was born in Pictou county, spent time in Springhill before going on to Canmore with his parents after the 1891 explosion. It gives a much better picture of what is available in the military files.
Off for coffee and to watch Grey Cup.
Will keep looking.
Cheers Val
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Coffee with more Bailey's for you, Val! Thanks you. :-*
I've been searching most of the day ... & FINALLY I've found burials for Donald Archibald & Effie! :o They are in Lethbridge. I'm betting daughter Mary Ann is there too. Doing a happy dance - someone would think the Sask Roughriders had scored!!
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=macaulay&GSiman=1&GScid=2146604&GRid=107425635&
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSfn=effie&GSiman=1&GScid=2146604&GRid=107425650&
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I meant to add that it's possible I'm related to these MacAualys! My mum's father's family was from North Uist & South Uist - both island of about 1200 people (a few more back in the day, but never more than about 3000 each). What kind of coincidence is that?!
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Hi Red
I am pretty sure that I found Effie
It was the gravestone that gave me the clue.
Descendant of the United Empire Loyalists
There were only certain areas of the province that originally had the loyalists so I went to both the 1901 and 1911 census at LAC and put in Effie and age 3 (no luck) so Effie age 13.
Strange what we do at halftime when the score is so lopsided.
1911 Nova Scotia/Springhill
Main St
George Ritchie (transcribed as Retchie), b. 1874, age 37, miner, on strike
Effie, wife, b. May 1876, age 35
Thomas, son, b. Dec. 1893, age 17, mine laborer, on strike
Mary, daughter, b. Sept. 1895, age 15
Effie, b. NOV 1897, age 13
George, son, b. Sept 1899, age 11
Elizabeth, daughter, b. July 1902, age 8
Ernest, son, b. Nov 1904, age 6
all Anglican
will see if I can find anything else
Val
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Look very carefully at my previous post and at the names. Does anything pop out at you. I searched and searched for Retchie and Ritchie and couldn't find anything on any member, no delayed registrations or anything. so I went back to the census which wasn't very clear but when I looked at the name it didn't quite look like the name started with R.
The surname was LETCHER.
married 1893, Cumberland county
George Letcher, b. 1874, age 19, miner, b. Westville, parents Joseph and Patience
Effie D. Taylor, b. 1876, age 17, spinster, b. Economy, parents, Wm and Harriett
Thomas Letcher, b. 1893
Mary Letcher (Marie Leary) b. 1895
Effie Menetta Letcher, b. Nov 5, 1897
GeorgeLavers Letcher, b. 1899
All makes sense now
Effie married to Donald Archie McAulay is the sister of Thomas Letcher who is buried in Lovett cemetery.
Too late for coffee, now I can go to bed.
Val
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REALLY!??!! :o I will need to pick through this more carefully in the morning.
Yup - I see wht you mean. There, very clearly is George Lavers LETCHER. No wonder I couldn't find 1911 census for the family!! Thank you Val. :-*
Wozers!
AND look back at the first post that Sami made about the murdered fellow Farquharson/Farquarson. One of the witnesses was .... George Letcher ... :o very likely Thomas Clifford Letcher's brother George Lavers Letcher who died in Kamloops!
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Wow Red what a small world. Looks like a bunch of this family came out west and stayed together or at least near each other.
Now for a change I'm doing the happy dance all around my house Saskatchewan Roughriders
have won the Grey Cup.They deserved to win. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D.
Made my day.
Lilybell
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Hi:
I've been trying to find that portion of the 1916 census that covers the area of Lovett. But I can't seem to narrow it down. What am I missing?
sami
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….also have been wondering if this is Charles Farquarson:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0x2l/
sami
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This could be another child of Donald Archie and Effie M. MacAulay, buried in the same cemetery.
Donald Archibald MacAulay
b. 1925
d. Jan 21, 1012, age 87 years.
There is an obituary on line that names living relatives but not his parents.
val
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Great page you've got on Find A Grave Red Mystic, :)
I am following your posts with a very keen interest indeed along with a lot of help from Crunwere.
I’m the relative in the John Lloyd story published in Canada. John Lloyd was married to my husbands Great Aunt Sarah Jane Lloyd (nee James) who ended her days living in a neighbouring farm.
We are indebted to you for all your help, and the support you give in reaching such a fantastic out come. It’s really come to life in a way we could never imagine. Particularly the new research on the families connected to the surrounding graves.
I noticed that you had family connections with North and South Uist. I am descended from the MacVicar’s of Grimsay in North Uist my Grandmother was born there, and there are some MacDonald’s in our Family tree through marriage.
I visit North Uist regularly and spend time in Benbecula.
I have done quite a lot of research in Scottish genealogy.
I wondered do you have a Family tree on “A”? as I can see you are using this to aid your research which is a great idea, and have you ever made a visit to the Hebrides?
Our Grateful thanks for all your help. Good luck with all your research. :)
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Nice to meet you Trinity Temple! It has been a great deal of fun doing this research.
There have been lots of people involved and because of that I have been able to find a living connection for almost every one of the burials in the cemetery. It will certainly make going there in summer 2014 when the Commonwealth War Graves are there to put a memorial in place for John Lloyd an even more memorable experience.
So, an update for you.
Lilybell has been working her magic finding obits that then open doors for me to find siblings and descendants. :) :-* thank you Lilybell.
She found obits for the parents of baby Joseph Strickland who died in 1914. Travel records show that he came from Lanarkshire, Scotland with his mum and sister when he was 3 months old. They were meeting up with his father who had come some months earlier. I have been able to confirm his siblings (& their spouses). I have not made contact with a living descendant of the family ... but i could based on what I know. I will be making the Find A Grave linkage between Joseph, his parents & his siblings in the next few days.
Lilybell also found parental obits belonging to mum and dad for baby George A MacAulay 1918-1918. If you recall, he was nephew to Thomas Letcher who is also buried in the cemetery. I have located all 5 siblings of this baby. The youngest brother died only 11 months ago! Again, I have enough to make contact with a family member if I choose to. I am in touch with Thomas Letcher descendants. All the MacAulay family are now connected on Find A Grave. (The descendants of the Letcher & MacAualy families have not stayed in touch.)
Lilybell found an obit for the father of baby David Lamond 1914-1918. Brother of baby Lamond, James Crawford Lamond, is now connected on Find A Grave. Unfortunately, after 2 weeks of trying, I can not get the person who takes care of the cemetery listing for the other brother (d 1922) to respond. I will keep trying. If anyone has any suggestions on how to make this linkage in the absence of that response, I would be delighted to hear it. :'(
Baby David Lamond was cousin to baby Harvey Alexander Crawford (1919-1919), also in the cemetery. I have determined that baby Crawford had a brother born in Revelstoke the year after he died. He was also named Harvey Alexander Crawford and was a WWII flying ace. I have enough to make contact with his living family. Sadly, many in this family died young. Here is a very interesting link to a piece on the 2nd Harvey. http://flyingforyourlife.com/pilots/ww2/cj/crawford/
Baby Mary Anne Knezevick needs to be connected to her family through Linkages on Find A Grave, but I know where they are. Lilybell sent a sheaf of papers to me that she obtained from a library in northern Alberta. It is from a family history book and lays out what happened to the family. One section even mentions the day-old baby that was buried in Lovett. I will be uploading those stories tomorrow to the Ancestry site I have built for the cemetery. Then I will link the Lovett cemetery burial for Mary Anne to the burial for her parents.
I have enough info to connect the Thurners (brother and sister Gloria and Ivan) to their parents, so will get to that in the next day or so too. They were the last burial and last ashes laid to rest and are the only known burials in the Russian Orthodox section of the cemetery.
The outstanding searching:
Angus MacLeod (son of Alexander & Katherine; Lilybell has some new info on this one which may open some doors)
In loving memory of our dearly loved son Angus McLeod who died April 25 1916 aged 4 months 25 days. Erected by his sorrowing parents. Too good for earth. God called him home.
Jimmie Shiota (I am not holding out much hope of making a family connection here after all the research Chatters have tried)
Japanese Jimmie Shiota Died Nov 9, 1918 Age 40 He is not dead but sleepeth
Mike Tomovitch (I have his war record, but being that wife and family was in Serbia, I am not holding out much hope of making any further connections)
Birth 26 Oct 1873 in Belgrade, Serbia
Death 9 Nov 1918 in Lovett, Alberta, Canad
Whew! It has been quite a trip to get this far. Thanks again for all the help putting this together. All of those who are buried in Lovett feel like family now.
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Hi all. I can't put this cemetery to bed ... yet. ::) May I have some help please?
I'm working on the James Lohoar burial in the cemetery.
In loving memory of James Lohoar. Drowned July 26 1914. Aged 42 years. A husband and father from us has gone. A voice we loved is still. A place is vacant in our hearts.
For those of you with access to *A*, here is the link to the tree.
http://trees.ancestry.ca/tree/63337412/person/34101837595
I am double confirming this, but it may be that James was the Lovett mine manager prior to his death.
I have determined that James was married to Margaret Jane "Maggie" Williams (according to son John Robert's death info). Maggie's brother Samuel was present at James' drowning death at a lake 10 miles from Lovett. Samuel lead the search for the body prior to the RCMP's arrival. (Thank you again to sami for finding the newspaper article about the drowning. :-*)
I'm trying to figure out a bit about Maggie including her past and what happened to she and daughter Margaret Lohoar (born 1903 USA & in hospital in Edmonton at the time of her father's death).
First things first, can anyone see the following 3 people in the 1916 and/or 1921 census? :-\
Margaret Jane "Maggie" Williams
Birth May 1882 in Indian Territory, USA
Margaret Lohoar
Birth Dec 1903 in USA
John Robert Lohoar
Birth 2 Sep 1899 in Krebs, Pittsburg, Oklahoma, USA
Death 9 Feb 1988 in Matsqui, British Columbia, Canada
Here are my questions re Maggie's background.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MST3-Q59
I found the attached record which shows James Lohoar / Margaret Jane "Maggie" Lohoar in Indian Territory. Their son, John Robert, shows as born in Indian Territory. His death cert says he was born in Krebs, Pittsburg, Oklahoma, USA. (Mr Google says Indian Territory was the prior name of much of Oklahoma. Krebs was a mining area where James was a Mining Engineer.)
Can anyone find a birth or marriage for Maggie (maiden name Williams)? She's only 19 in the 1900 census & baby was born Sep 1899, so must have married about 1898. (I can't see anything in FamilySearch.) :-\
Can anyone find a 1903 birth of a baby Margaret born to this couple? I only know she was born in the USA. :-\
I'm also looking for an 1880 US census for Maggie's family - presumably in Indian Territory. The only thing I know is that her father was born in England (based on 1900 census) and that she had a brother Samuel (don't know his age). :-\
Can anyone find a death or remarriage for Maggie after 1914? :-\
Can anyone find anything on daughter Margaret after 1914? :-\
The family relocated to Alberta Canada by the 1911 census. ;) Border crossings aren't pulling up for me on *A* today, so if you spot that too, I'd be delighted. :-\
The last thing I'm seeking is an arrival for James Lohoar, presumably Scotland to USA sometime prior to showing up in Indian Territory in the 1900 census. :-\
It's a lot to ask for, but you are the best of the best. Help please. :)
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The last thing I'm seeking is an arrival for James Lohoar, presumably Scotland to USA sometime prior to showing up in Indian Territory in the 1900 census. :-\
Hi RM:
From FindMyPast there is a - Jas Lohear - age 20 who travels from Glasgow to USA/Boston in 1892. He is a single male on the Prussian.
I haven't stopped looking for Jimmie Shiota and am still waiting for responses from some cultural organizations. But hope is fading - I'm thinking there must have been considerable transcription / translation / communication issues with immigrants from non-English speaking countries during the census. I'm also convinced the portion of the 1916 census which would cover the Lovett area is missing.
sami
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Thanks to sami & Lilybell who continue to poke along with me on this project. :)
Lillybell found some interesting articles on the family of James Lohoar. There is way to much to write here, but it has been a merry chase! Suffice to say that James was an illegitimate child born to Marion Lohoar who subsequently married Archibald Clelland.
When James came to Canada from Oklahoma in Apr 1907, there was a brief line in the Edmonton paper that says he was travelling with Archie Clelland - likey his 1/2 brother as his step father of the same name died in 1907.
In the 1911 census, it's likely his 1/2 brothers, Thomas & John Clelland, who were living next to James Lohoar and his family in Lovett.
In 1916, there was a newspaper announcement that says that a woman of James' wife's name, Margaret Jane Lohoar married Allen Edward Lawrence. They subsequently hosted a wedding for John Clelland (1/2 brother to James Lohoar I surmise as the ages in the 1921 census align) & a niece of Margaret Jane's (though I've not figured out exactly where she fits in the picture. (The niece is buried in Edson, not far from Lovett.)
Several Clellands stayed in Alberta & several stayed in Indian Territories, Oklahoma.
Margaret Jane & her 2nd husband left for California abt 1922. I can see them in Oakland directories until about 1940. He died in 1961. I've not pinned down her death date. (She was going by the name "Minnie" by that time.)
BTW, one of James Lohoar's 1/2 brothers (Archibald - likely the one who came to Canada with James in 1907) also went to California & died there.
Now, back to James Lohoar's 2 children. I reported on John Robert (a tragic story) earlier in this research process. Lilybell found what looks to be daughter Margaret listed as wife on a death record in BC for a man who was 35 years her senior. Neither of us can find her after that.
I keep thinking I'm almost wrapped. Here are the remaining hangnails.
It doesn't seem that we'll ever find anything conclusive on:
Angus McLeod son of Alexander & Katherine
Birth Jan 1916 Death 25 Apr 1916 in Lovett, Alberta, Canada
Jimmy Shiota is anyone's guess.
The other interesting one is the murder victim:
Charles Farquarson
Birth Death 4 Jul 1917 in Lovett, Alberta, Canada
I now have 5 articles about the murder / trial & not one references his age, how long he'd been in Lovett, etc. so I've been unable to make any conclusive family connections. The only thing I now know is that both he & his murderer worked for the Dominion of Canada.
I've a few things to update in the Lovett Find A Grave site. All is documented in the Lovett Cemetery tree I built on Ancestry.
What a satisfying sleuth this has been. 8) ;D