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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Suffolk => Topic started by: NNR on Monday 13 January 14 14:00 GMT (UK)
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Hi!
Just wondering if someone can help. Trying to trace my ancestor, Thomas Death. He was married in Baylham in 1773 to Ann Fenn, also of Baylham (b. 1757 to Simon Fenn/Fynn). The couple had children between 1785 and 1794. However, I can't seem to find any information on Thomas' baptism. It would be between around the 1730s/40s/50s. Can anyone help?
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hi
this looks like it Thomas death bpt 7 aug 1774 baylham st peter fathers name Thomas mothers name anne .
regards
trevor
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Thanks! That's partly really helpful, 'cos that Thomas is a child who I didn't know, but that baptism takes place a year after Thomas Sr's wedding. Thomas wouldn't be baptised any later than 1757 if he was being married in 1773 to Ann...
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hi
yes but don,t get confused as some bpt didn,t take place in the same month or year as the person was actually born I,ve seen lots bpt when adults so it,s possible this is whats happened here .
regards
trevor
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t mo - I've never really found any examples on my tree of people being baptised more than a few months after their birth. I think it would be too much of a coincidence for the Thomas I expect to see baptised around 1757 to actually e baptised a year after his marriage to a woman of the same name as his purpoted mother.
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I checked the Baylham bishops transcripts baptisms 1661-1812, marriages 1661-1753 and marriages 1754-1812.
The only early Death I could see was:
Nov. 20th 1693 Burial. Death Sar. w. of Will.
No Death baptisms around 1735-1740-1750
However, several other children of Thomas and Anne Death were baptised at Baylham after Thomas in 1774.
Ann 6th October 1776
John 22nd November 1778
Edw. 15th October 1780
Rob. 5th January 1783
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Thanks, Annes! That takes the couple up to nine children now, between 1774 and 1794. Interesting that none of the nine take their mother's father's name, but I'll try not to let it bother me too much!
Really don't know how to take Thomas Death to the next level, though. Married in Baylham but baptised....where?!
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As I'm sure you know, Death was a common surname in Suffolk, so your Thomas could have baptised in many places, even if he lived in Baylham at the time of his marriage. I checked on familysearch.org and found quite a few Thomas Death baptisms, but the most likely to be relevant was this one at Claydon, which is not far from Baylham:
Thomas Death, son of John and Susan, was baptised at Claydon 25 July 1749.
Worth pursuing at least a little further, I would think.
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Looking at the Suffolk Burial Index I think Bramford may also be worth a look. There are quite a few Death burials recorded from 1731 on inc a Thomas Death buried there 1813 age 66.
Other burials that match with the names people are quoting too & both sort of fit with what Annes found
Robert buried 1837 age 54
John buried 1847 age 77
There are also burials of a Susan Death wife of Styles 1738, Styles buried 1765 (abode Whitton)
K
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Coddenham might be interesting too.
Edward (abode Barham UH; late of Coddenham) buried 13 Jan 1850 age 65 Barham (sort of fits the Edward that Annes found).
Coddenham burials inc a Thomas Death snr buried 6 Oct 1771& on the same day his grandson Thomas appears to have been buried also.
Also Coddenham John Death buried 1765 & Susan Death buried 1776 sorry no ages or relationships given.
What I should have said in my last post is that all of the parishes mentioned are very close to each other.
Simon Fenn buried 2 Jun 1780 Baylham but interestingly there are only 2 early Death burials recorded on the SuffolK Burial Index at Baylham:
Sarah Death 20 Nov 1693 wife of William, buried in woollen
William Death 3 Aug 1698 Widower, buried in woollen.
The lack of Death burials in Baylham tends to suggest that your Thomas & Ann married in the brides parish & he was from elsewhere.
K
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Thanks for the input! Will go through these later today.
For clarification, Thomas Death and Ann Fenn's children were:
1774 Thomas (father's name)
1776 Ann (mother's name)
1778 John (mother's 2nd eldest brother's name)
1780 Edward
1783 Robert (mother's 3rd eldest brother's name)
1785 Mary (mother's mother's name)
1788 William (mother's 4th eldest brother's name)
1792 Ann (mother's name)
1794 Jonathan
So with Edward and Jonathan not appearing in the mother's family I'd be most interested in potential links between Thomas and people of this name.
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Only 1 Jonathan DEATH recorded on Suffolk Burial Index & it fits area & age wise with your one
- buried 18 Jun 1854 age 59 Hemingstone. There are several early Edward's recorded - Hadleigh & Hitcham parishes.