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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Midlothian => Topic started by: portybelle on Wednesday 22 January 14 20:07 GMT (UK)
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I would love if anyone could shed light on what has happened to this family?
In 1881 John Greig, age 32, a plasterer, is with his family at Tower Street, Portobello. The family are:
Agnes, 33, ( my great great grandmother's sister, ms Lessels or variation on that spelling, mother Agnes Foggo, illegitimate. She married John in June 1872. I have her in previous census records.)
Agnes, 7
Isabella, 6
Emmanuel, 4 (birth record says Manuel)
Marion, 3
I cannot find trace of any of them after 1881, can't find any other births but also can't find any deaths. I presume they have moved as a family but where to?
Any suggestions very welcome!
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Can you include their birthplaces please
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All born either Portobello/Duddingston Midlothian Carole.
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I think they might have went to Australia there is a record for Marion ,Isabella ,Agnes and a John born 1882 aged 1 arriving Australia 22/5/1883 ...A record for the father maybe 17/1/1883 maybe he went out first the ages all seem to fit in :)
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That sounds promising and certainly explains why I can't find them. Thanks Rosie! Is Agnes the mother not with the children then?
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The only one I see is a Mrs M Geig born 1853 aged 30.Mr J Greig born 1845 aged 38 Agnes b1873 aged 10 ,Isabella b1875 aged 8, Marnie ( maybe Mannuel ) born 1877 aged 6 also John b1882 aged 1,....All aboard ship John Elder departing London and arriving Australia 22/5/1883...
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A tree on Ancestry has John Greig born 19/10/1881 Portobello parents John Greig and Agnes Lassels married Ruth Woodward 31/12/1908 Burrowa N S W. John died 2/10/1918 I checked the Australian index for marriage and death ....lists his father as John and mother Agnes registration placeNewtown N S W.. :)
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Father John Greig died 1915 Burwood N S W his parents Manuel and Isabella his wife Agnes died 1930 aged 84yrs Burwood her father down as Lascelles ....Manuel died 1950 Burwood ..Seems to be the right family you can search N S W records www.bmd.gov.au hope this helps :) :)
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Father John Greig died 1915 Burwood N S W his parents Manuel and Isabella his wife Agnes died 1930 aged 84yrs Burwood her father down as Lascelles ....Manuel died 1950 Burwood ..Seems to be the right family you can search N S W records www.bmd.gov.au hope this helps :) :)
The link wasn't working for me Rosie but there is this one :-
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/Index/IndexingOrder.cgi/search?event=births
Sandra
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Manuel married Florence Bullock Ashfield district in 1905
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0xp2/
Sandra
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Thank you so much ladies! Isn't that typical that the only child I hadn't found is the one with the ancestry tree? Not at home at the moment but will check when back on pc.
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Manuel and Florence Greig only daughter - Henrietta born 1907 Kogarah
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0xp3/
Henrietta married Alford List - the announcement in the Sydney Morning Herald - 13 April 1932
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/16855547?searchTerm=manuel greig&searchLimits=
Son John Greig born 1909
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0xpe/
Sandra
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There is a death notice for Manuel Greig in the Sydney Morning Herald - 31 October 1950 - says he died at his sister Isabelle's residence 13 Wentworth Road. Homebush. Loved brother of Isabell, Syd and Ida .......
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0xp9/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homebush,_New_South_Wales
Sandra
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Obituary for John Greig - The Maitland daily Mercury - 28 November 1931 -
Interment - Presbyterian Cemetery.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0xpa/
Sandra
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Sydney Greig mentioned in the death notice of Manuel - could be Sidney J Greig born 1885 Sydney to John Greig and Agnes - Registration number 2554.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0xpb/
Sydney married Emmaline V Hart 1910 Ashfield, New South Wales (Registration number:
779 ) and had a son Sydney H Greig in 1911 (as llisted on the above link)
Sydney died 10 February 1975 - Buried :- Woronora Cemetery, Sutherland, New South Wales, Australia.
Sandra
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Florence Eva (wife of Manuel) died 1943. There is a memoriam in the Sydney Morning Herald 14 th November 1945 - (Dad, John and Ettie)
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0xpd/
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0xpc/
Sandra
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At least you know now where they were Portybello you should get John's birth on S P
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John H Greig son of Manuel and Florence married Ida T Cross - Ashfield, New South Wales 1930
Registration No:- 1477
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0xpf/
The Death Notice for Agnes was in the Sydney Morning Herald - 13 th feb 1930. It lists her children as :- Agnes was deceased, Isabella was Mrs F Richter, Manuel, Jack deceased, Sidney, James and Ida (Mrs L Armfield)
Isabella married Mr Francis Richter in 1894 Redfern New South Wales.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0xpg/
Isabella Steadman Richter died 1963 Burwood NSW
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0xpi/
Suspect Agnes Greig married Robert H S Mills in 1892 and died 1915
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0xpj/
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0xph/
In 1915 Robert H Mills (and Harry) are listed "Nairn" Wentworth Road Homebush - John Greig " Roslyn" also listed on that Wentworth Road (which is where Isabella lived in the obituary for Manuel)
Sandra
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Ida C Greig married Leonard Armfield - Burwood 1915
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0xpk/
The middle initial "C" = Campbell
Sandra
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The New South Wales, Australia, Index to Deceased Estate Files shows Leonard White Armfield - Date of death -6/3/1951 - Date of Grant - 20/8/1951. Leonard was an engineer.
Leonard and Isabella are listed at 18 Wentworth Street Homebush NSW in 1949
Sandra
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Leonard and Isabella had a son George - George G Armfield born 31 st December 1916 and died Burwood, New South Wales 1923 - Parents Leonard Armfield and Ida C. Death Red No 1215.
2 other children :- Agnes Louis Armfield born 23 July 1920 and Leonard Manuel Armfield 10 December 1924
Agnes married Roland Adrian Newth 1943 Burrowa, New South Wales.
The marriage - St James Church, Burwood is in the Sydney Morning Herald - Saturday 3 rd April 1943 -
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0xpm/
Sandra
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Appears to be a few anc trees with Leonard and Ida - with photo of Leonard.
http://www.mytrees.com/newanc/Australia/Died-1951/Ar/Armfield-family/Leonard-Armfield-be000199-31.html
The memorial of son Leonard Armfield (1924 - 20110 - offline at the moment.
www.heavenaddress.com/Leonard-Armfield/389087/
Ida Campbell Greig/Armfield died 1975.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0xpn/
Sandra
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I have had time now to sit down and look properly at all the info and links you have both found for me and just want to say a huge thank you!! That was so kind and I have discovered a new resource in Trove - not something I was familiar with before but which I would imagine will be of great use in the future! I am away to add the new discoveries to my tree. Thank you both once again.
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Have fun building your tree with all your new relations :) :) :)
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You're very welcome, pleased it all helped fill some blanks. Happy hunting. ;D
Sandra
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John & Agnes Greig were my great grandparents.
Their daughter Ida Campbell Greig (born in Australia) was my grandmother.
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My grandmother was Ida Campbell Greig born in Australia.
Ida Was youngest child of John and Agnes Greig From Portobello.
All her brothers and sisters were born in Scotland.
She married Lennard white Armfield.
My mother was their daughter Agnes Louise Armfield.
I have the GREIG family Bible in my possession as well as Portraits of John and Agnes Greig, my Maternal great grandparents.
If you have any questions, hopefully I can help give you the information