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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Westmorland => Topic started by: scrupul0us on Friday 21 February 14 00:49 GMT (UK)
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Hello,
My first time here trying to track down a "missing" generation I have in my documented lineage.
I am looking for the ancestors of Thomas Ellwood (born 1802, died Oct 1876, in Kendal) and spouse Agnes Townsend of Westmorland.
They had a son, Thomas Edward Ellwood born 12/15/1831 in New Hutton and came to USA 1855 with wife Mirriam Wilcox born 7/30/1829 in England.
I haven't been able to find anything about Thomas's (born 1802) parents in the late 1700's.
Any help would be graciously appreciated.
Thank you kindly =)
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Hi and welcome to Rootschat, so do you have his christening ie
Thos Ellwood Birth 14th June 1802 Christening 19th June 1802 Grayrigg, Kendal Father Edward Mother Abigail
Keyboard86
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Sadly I do not as most of the resources I have been able to find only start around 1836, namely BMD and parish.
Parish records seem to stop around 1743:
http://www.cumberlandarchives.co.uk/content/category/4/13/27/
I found a few Ellwoods in Stricklandgate:
ELLWOOD John, Strg (2)
ELLWOOD Margrat, Strg
ELLWOOD Mary, Strg
... from the Constables Census Westmorland 1787 here:
http://edenlinks.rootsweb.ancestry.com/1gp/RECORDS/CC/EW/STRIK5.HTM
But I have no way to link Thomas Ellwood of 1802 back one generation to fill the void.
That said, the Kendal records aren't complete so there may be others, however bridging the gap is proving to be a challenge
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Hi again, well I found the above christening on Family Search, and also this marriage:-
Edward Ellwood to Abigail Shepherd 16th November 1788 Kendal
Keyboard86
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Oh, I apologize, I thought you were asking if I had the info and provided an example.
Thank you very much =)
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Oh, I apologize, I thought you were asking if I had the info and provided an example.
Thank you very much =)
;D No problem, good hunting from 1788 for children!
Keyboard86
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Hi Scrupul0us,
Here is info I have on Thomas's family:
Edward Ellwood
He was born 1761 in Kendal. Baptism on 06 Sep 1761 in Kendal [11].
Abigail Shepherd.
Edward Ellwood and Abigail Shepherd. They were married on 16 Nov 1788 in Kendal [11]. They
had 9 children.
i. Edward Ellwood. He was born 1794 in Kendal.
ii. William Ellwood. He was born 1796 in Kendal.
iii. Robert Ellwood. He was born 1797 in Kendal.
iv. Elizabeth Ellwood. She was born 1798 in Kendal. She married Thomas
Pennington. They were married on 03 Apr 1822.
v. Thomas Ellwood. He was born 1802 in Kendal. He married Agnes Townson.
They were married on 14 Nov 1825 in New Hutton.
vi. Annas Ellwood. She was born 1804 in Kendal.
vii. Abigail Ellwood. She was born 1806 in Kendal.
viii. John Ellwood. He was born 1808 in Kendal. He died 1876 in Liverpool [11].
ix. Nancy Ellwood. She was born 1810 in Kendal. She died 1815 in New Hutton
I have earlier generations if you are interested.
Regards,
Gillian
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Gillian,
I would welcome additional information with open arms =)
The additional children I did not have, so thank you very very much =)
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Hi
Here is the next generation:
Daniel Ellwood-He was born 1728 in Dufton. Baptism on 02 Jun 1728 in Dufton.
Hannah Crewsdon. She was born 1735 in Kentmere. She died on 03 Aug 1811 in Staveley [11].
Daniel Ellwood and Hannah Crewsdon. They were married on 19 Jun 1758 in Kendal. They had 5
children.
i. Daniel Ellwood. He was born 1759 in Kendal. Baptism on 10 Jun 1759 in Kendal
[11]. He married Ann Abbay. They were married on 11 Dec 1785 in Kendal. He
died 1842 in Kendal [11].
ii. Edward Ellwood. He was born 1761 in Kendal. Baptism on 06 Sep 1761 in
Kendal [11]. He married Abigail Shepherd. They were married on 16 Nov 1788 in
Kendal [11].
iii. John Ellwood. He was born 1764 in Kendal. Baptism on 22 Jun 1764 in Kendal
[11].
iv. William Ellwood. He was born 1766 in Kendal. Baptism on 08 May 1766 in
Kendal [11].
v. Richard Ellwood. He was born 1774 in Kendal. Baptism on 02 Apr 1774 in
Kendal [11]. He died on 01 Jun 1842 in Staveley. Occupation was Husbandman [11].
Regards
Gillian
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Thank you!
Now, IF I'm using familysearch correctly the next generation up should be:
Daniel's (1728) parents were Edmund and Elizabeth Robinson, married 14 October 1725 in Carlisle, Northumberland, England and they had 4 children:
John (c 15 Feb 1738, Dufton)
Lydia (c 01 Feb 1729, Dufton)
Samuel (c 13 Oct 1726, Dufton)
Daniel (c 02 Jun 1728, Dufton)
Hoping I got that right =)
The only reason I question it is the marriage in Carlisle which is over 2 hours away from Kendal (by today's travel standards)
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Actually some of that does look wrong based on a genealogy search (versus record search) on familysearch...
When I pair Edmund and Elizabeth, I get this for their children:
children:
Daniel /Ellwood/,
Edward /Ellwood/,
John /Ellwood/,
William /Ellwood/,
Richard /Ellwood/
I'm thinking due to the diverse number of Ellwoods, the gene. search is going to be most accurate.
Gillian, can you let me know if I'm wrong or off base here?
I did double check my tree using the gene. search where my own paper records end and so far everything looks spot on.
Thanks, I'm really excited to be getting this far back but don't wan't to get so caught up that I'm committing incorrect info to my lineage.
Thanks =)
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Well... I think I've brought this to it's fullest extent...
Apparently I go alllllll the way back to Edward and Ellyn Ellwood back in the 1540's which after Googling around brought me to a few discussions here (many by you Gillian)
Based on what I've read online, this is as far back as one can expect to get back in English history:
http://hayesgreene.wikispaces.com/Ellwood_Family
Has anyone broken this barrier in their Elwood / Ellwood research?
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Hi
Just a slight correction
Carlisle is in Cumberland not Northumberland
Dufton is a small township on the outskirts of Appleby which is about half
way between Kendal and Carlisle but would still have taken a good days travel
on horse
regards
Westmorland
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Hi
Yes you are correct and you link up into Bruce Morrison's Ellwood resaerch which goes back to Edward & Ellyn of Dufton. I too any many others who have Ellwoods from this neck of the woods link into the Dufton tree.
Edward & Ellyn are as far back as the parish registers go. There are Ellwoods in Penrith at the same time but no link has been found with the Dufton lot.
Regards,
Gillian
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It's funny you should mention Bruce Morrison as I've come across his name and website URL countless times but his website is gone:
http://community-2.webtv.net/BBmorrison/EllwoodGenealogy/
Not even archive.org's wayback machine has a copy of it...
Do you have a copy of his Ellwood works that were on that website by chance?
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Hi
I see what you mean! Bruce's site is no longer available!
Last year I had noticed that his email address had been removed from the site and that his old email address was not working either! It makes you wonder if he is no longer with us.
I did make some copies of his site. I will see if I can find them. What do you need exactly?
Regards,
Gillian
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Gillian,
Not sure, I was just interested to see what was there.
While I now have my lineage back to 1545, I don't really have much in the way about what my Ellwoods did in their lives
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Hi
Just hot of the press
Thomas Ellwood [Carpenter] had a hand in two deeds for property
in Scattergate (Sub district of Appleby)
date 1737 and 1743
sorry it does not go back but it will put some flesh on an Ellwood
regards
Westmorland
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Hi Westmorland,
Which Thomas are you referring to?
The original request was for Thomas Ellwood b1802 Kendal.
Regards,
Gillian
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Hi
It cannot be Thomas b 1802 as this document is dated 1737 and 1743
It was taken from voting details for Appleby and only gave what I gave you
regards
westmorland
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Thank you!
Now, IF I'm using familysearch correctly the next generation up should be:
Daniel's (1728) parents were Edmund and Elizabeth Robinson, married 14 October 1725 in Carlisle, Northumberland, England and they had 4 children:
Carlisle was in Cumberland back then, not Northumberlland!
I've attached a family group sheet that shows what we have, in collaboration with various researchers. Like everything else, it needs checking.
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I am looking for the ancestors of Thomas Ellwood (born 1802, died Oct 1876, in Kendal) and spouse Agnes Townsend of Westmorland.
They had a son, Thomas Edward Ellwood born 12/15/1831 in New Hutton and came to USA 1855 with wife Mirriam Wilcox born 7/30/1829 in England.
I haven't been able to find anything about Thomas's (born 1802) parents in the late 1700's.
We have his wife as Agnes Townson, and they had a son Townson Ellwood. Perhaps that was a corrupted version of Townsend, but it seems to have persisted. We have their son Thomas as being born in Skelsmergh.
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Hi and welcome to Rootschat, so do you have his christening ie
Thos Ellwood Birth 14th June 1802 Christening 19th June 1802 Grayrigg, Kendal Father Edward Mother Abigail
We have that as a different Thomas Ellwood -- not the one who married Agnes Townson/Townsend, but this one seems to have married first Isabella Dent and then Elizabeth Burton.
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Carlisle has always been in Cumbria (then Cumberland).
There are quite a lot of old Wills for El(l)woods bet 1661-1750 - Wills proved in the Consistory Court of Carlisle, including the following in Dufton:
Agnes wid Dufton 1678 W
Chris, yeo, Dufton 1676 W
Chris yeo, Dufton 1698 W
Edmund, yeo Dufton 1710 W
Edmund, yeo Dufton 1730 WI 437 (56)
Edw yeo, Dufton 1677 W
Lancelot, Dufton 1683 AI
Mark, Dufton 1739 WI 49
Mark, 1658 Dufton (I have a full copy of this will if you want a copy please PM me)
Thos, Dufton 1665 WI (138)
Tho Dufton 1744 W 217 (136v)
Wm Dufton 1671 AI
AI = Administration of goods, Inventory
WI = Will, inventory
These are all held at Cumbria Archive Centre, Carlisle, I would have thought you could email them and for a small fee they could send to you.
With the Yeomen - it's possible that there will be Manorial Court Records for Dufton which survive and will give details of land transactions, property etc. It may be worth checking on National Archives website, to see if these are held at Carlisle or Kendal Archive Centre.
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Carlisle has always been in Cumbria (then Cumberland).
There are quite a lot of old Wills for El(l)woods bet 1661-1750 - Wills proved in the Consistory Court of Carlisle
<snip>
These are all held at Cumbria Archive Centre, Carlisle, I would have thought you could email them and for a small fee they could send to you.
Thanks very much for that.
I think Bruce Morrison, whose website disappeared (I have a copy of it, though) relied a lot on wills for his research, and they mention several children whose baprtism records cannot be found.
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Hi
There was a Thomas Ellwood in Appleby 1730 to 1742 occuoation as a Carpenter
regards
westmoreland
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Hi, not sure if anyone still visits this page but I'm an Ellwood decendant and still living in Kendal. I'm from The Townson line if I can help at all.
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Can you tell us any more? We seem to have conflicting record.
We have Thomas Ellwood marrying Gwendoline L. Townson (but that could be an error introduced by PAF).
Some have Thomas Ellwood who marriwd the Townson as being the son of Edward Ellwood and Abigail Shepherd, but we have that Thomas as marrying (1) Isabella Dent and (2) Elizabeth Burton.
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Hi Toastytart,
Welcome to Rootschat!!
As Steve says we have some conflicting information. If you could sort this out, that would be great.
Regards,
Gillian
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I think we have managed to sort out these families a bit more accurately now. :)
I have attached family group sheets showing the information I now have on the Thomas Ellwood who married Agnes Townson, and the Thomas Ellwood who married first Isabella Dent and then Elizabeth Graham (born Burton).
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Thomas Ellwood b.1802 at New Hutton, married Agnes Townsend at New Hutton on 14/11/1825. Had a son Thomas born New Hutton 15/12/31 and died in Washington, Pennsylvania on 16/11/1901.He married Miriam Wilcox on 21/08/1852 T St John the Baptist church in Tunstall, Lancashire. They had 10 children, the first 2 in England and the remainder in Washington.
My Mother was an Ellwood born at New Hutton. Going back 6 generations in my family my Grandfather William Ellwood b.1796 was brother to Thomas Ellwood b.1802 who married Agnes Townsend. My family tree research goes back from them as follows:
Edward Ellwood b.1761 - in Westmorland married Kendal 16/11/1788 to Abigail Shepperd b.1768 in Kendal.
Daniel Ellwood b.1730 - 1779 in Kendal married Kendal 10/06/1758 to Hannah Crewdson b.1733 - 1811 in Kentmere.
Edmund Ellwood b.1700 - in Dufton married Carlisle 14/10/1725 to Elizabeth Robinson b.1700. - 1770in Westmorland.
Edmund Ellwood b.1666 - 1730 in Dufton married ? 01/06/1696 to Ann Rudd b. 1675 in Burton.
Christopher Ellwood b.1631 - 1676 in Dufton married ? About1662 to Jane Gargatt b.1630 - 1676.
Christopher Ellwood b.1598 - 1664 in Dutton married Dufton 17/07/1625 to Bridget Dobson b.1602 - 1662.
Edmund Ellwood b. 1573 - 1657 in Dufton married Dufton in 1595 to Elizabeth Howe b.1576 -.
Edward Ellwood b.1546 - 1590 in Dufton married Dufton in 1563 to Ellen Marsh b. 1544 - 1597.
Leonard Ellwood b. 1526 - 1581 in Willoughby,Lincolnshire married Helen Newton b. 1525 -1580 in Willoughby.
Robert Ellwood b.1501 - 1552 in Westmorland married Kendal 30/04/1521 to Elizabeth Hunter b.1501 - 1548 in Westmorland.
John Ellwood b. 1476 - 1530 in Westmorland married in Cheshire 1498 to Ellen Hyde b.1474 - 1531
In Norbury, Cheshire. (Her great grandfather was Lord John be Hyde 1356 - 1461)
That is as far back that I can get with the Ellwood tree. I hope is is of some help to you.
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Hi John,
Welcome to Rootschat!
Thanks for posting your Ellwood line. I too am descended from this family. My mother was an Ellwood from Westmorland.
I see that you have gone back further than Edward Ellwood d1590 Dufton. You have Edward also married to Ellen Marsh and his parents from Lincolnshire. Were did this information come from? Most Ellwood of Dufton researchers go no further back than Edward Ellwood.
Best regards,
Gillian
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Hi Gillian.
Most of my research on the Ellwoods was through a site called Family search.org
All the best
John
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Hi John,
A bit of a leap from Westmorland to Lincolnshire & to Cheshire. You have to be careful of some of the submitted info in familysearch. The sources, if any, may not be reliable.
Best regards
Gillian
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Thomas Ellwood b.1802 at New Hutton, married Agnes Townsend at New Hutton on 14/11/1825. Had a son Thomas born New Hutton 15/12/31 and died in Washington, Pennsylvania on 16/11/1901.He married Miriam Wilcox on 21/08/1852 T St John the Baptist church in Tunstall, Lancashire. They had 10 children, the first 2 in England and the remainder in Washington.
We have Thomas b. 1802 marrying Agnes Townson, not Townsend.
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My Mother was an Ellwood born at New Hutton. Going back 6 generations in my family my Grandfather William Ellwood b.1796 was brother to Thomas Ellwood b.1802 who married Agnes Townsend.
That would be William Ellwood who married Agnes Douthwaite.
Can you tell us more about that branch of the family?
I have 7 kids for them -- which one are you descended from?
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Thomas Ellwood b.1802 was brother to William Ellwood b. 1796 at New Hutton who was my 3rd generation Great Grandfather. My Mother’s maiden name was Ellwood. She was born on a Farm called Hutton Park, New Hutton in 1924.
J.B.
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I am looking for the ancestors of Thomas Ellwood (born 1802, died Oct 1876, in Kendal) and spouse Agnes Townsend of Westmorland.
They had a son, Thomas Edward Ellwood born 12/15/1831 in New Hutton and came to USA 1855 with wife Mirriam Wilcox born 7/30/1829 in England.
We have him as the son of Edward ELLWOOD and Abigail SHEPHERD.
We have quite a bit of information on his son Thomas who married Miriam and their descendants.
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Hi All,
According to the marriage cert on Ancestry, Thomas Ellwood married Miriam Wilcock in Tunstall Lancashire 21st Aug 1851. Thomas, address was New Hutton and his father was Thomas Ellwood, a miller. Miriam's address was Leck? and her father was Richard Wilcock a farmer. The witnesses were Edward Ellwood and Elizabeth Robinson.
It was a catholic wedding.
So Thomas was not the son of Edward Ellwood and Abigail Shepherd.
Best regards
Gillian
PS: Just realised that this is the incorrect Thomas! You were referring to his father possibly being Edward!
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According to the marriage cert on Ancestry, Thomas Ellwood married Miriam Wilcock in Tunstall Lancashire 21st Aug 1851. Thomas, address was New Hutton and his father was Thomas Ellwood, a miller. Miriam's address was Leck? and her father was Richard Wilcock a farmer. The witnesses were Edward Ellwood and Elizabeth Robinson.
It was a catholic wedding.
So Thomas was not the son of Edward Ellwood and Abigail Shepherd.
That's right. This one's parents were Thomas Ellwood and Agnes Townson or Townsend.
It is his grandparents who were Edward Ellwood and Abigail Shepherd.