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Please could somebody check the parish records if they have them for a
Mary Woodins b abt 1774 Harrold, to a Jonah Woodins and wife Mary and any other siblings ( I believe there is at least an Ann and a Thomas).
Mary Woodins is the one I am really hunting for though, even with different parents if you find her. Parents (if Jonah and Mary) married in CARLTON 1.6 miles away, possibility of baptism there too
With many many thanks
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Hello Lesley
Jonah Woodin of Harrold married Mary Sperry at Carlton on 11 Jun 1770. Their banns were read at Harrold on 4 Mar 1770. They baptised Ann on 5 July 1772 and Thomas on 29 Sept 1775, both at Harrold. No other childen have been baptised to Jonah & Mary at Harrold or Carlton.
Jonah Woodin, labourer is buried at Harrold on 9 Sept 1782, I suspect he was son of Thomas & Rebecca Woodin who baptised him at Harrold on 21 Oct 1744.
There are no other Mary Woodin or spelling variants baptised at Harrold around 1774.
Regards John
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Thanks so much John! That's really helpful!
I also found a Jonah Wooding age 40 Ag Lab in the 1841 census in Carlton earlier today. Interestingly, he lived next door to a Joseph Wooding, also an Ag Lab aged 64 (so b approx. 1777). I am wondering if Joseph is his dad and also sibling to Ann bap 1772 and Thomas bap 1775, but no birth record for Joseph to be found either ...in which case I suspect Mary may be a sibling too, if only we could find her birth record. hmmmm
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Beds Archives have the will of Thomas Wooding, woodman of Harrold ref 1827/27 who was buried at Harrold on 22 May 1827 age 75, so born circa 1752. The will is dated 13 Aug 1811 & executors were William Johnson of Carlton, lace dealer & the Rev Charles Vorley and was witnessed by E Abbott (wife of Samuel Abbott, baker of Harrold) & W Abbott. It mentions leaving properties/monies to my wife Mary, to my niece Ann Ayres who has not reached 21, so is in the trust of her mother Ann Ayres, wife of John Ayres, and also mentions my brother-in-law Thomas Boddington.
** Thomas Wooding married Mary Boddington at Harrold on 9 Oct 1777
** John Ayres married Ann Boddington at Harrold on 8 Jan 1789
His will leaves an amount to the Trustees of Carlton Meeting House...... the residue divided equally between all children of my bothers & sisters namely Jonah Wooding, William Wooding, Joseph Wooding, Ann Parker & Sarah Tew/Thew.
The will has a codicil dated 13 July 1821 that states the residue goes to each of my brothers William & Joseph & sister Ann, wife of John Ayres for it to be divided equally to the sons & daughters of my brothers & sisters; Jonah Wooding, William Wooding, Joseph Wooding, Ann Parker & Sarah Thew.
Shame it doesn't say who was the parent of each nephew/niece however it does state that if Jonah Wooding dies it goes to his son Thomas & then to Thomas's wife/widow Elizabeth & that Sarah Thew has son William Thew.
** John Parker of Chellington marred Ann Woodin at Harrold on 28 Dec 1770
I thought I'd pass this on in case someone can work out relationships.
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This is great information John! I have some of these same people as potential unconfirmed members of Mary's family and had been digging at their records online. But no mention of Mary - drat! Her bap record says her father is Jonah and I believe that to be Jonah bap 1744 and her mother Mary (Sperry I believe).
I had Thomas 1752 (the will author) as possible sibling to Jonah 1744 and Ann 1750 as well. I also have a Robert bap 1749, Israel bap 1754 and Mary bap 1754 all as possible siblings too. Parents of Elizth & Israel are Thomas and Rebecca on their bap records, same as Jonah. Mary was apprenticed as a lacemaker in Harrold. Perhaps they were deceased before the will was written and had no offspring? I don't have Joseph or William their brothers, but I do have a Joseph b1777 in the censuses who I believed could also be one of the sibling's sons so the name fits... (he also had a son named Jonah 1801 so I suspect he could be Jonah's!)
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Also I have a record for Thomas Wooding m Rebecca Wersely (Wesley I believe looking at the other people there at the time) in 1743 in Odell. This potentially being the father of Thomas, Jonah etc
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I wonder if Mary Woodens had died by 1811 when the will was written - quite possible as her last potential offspring I have found is 1809
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You say "The will has a codicil dated 13 July 1821 that states the residue goes to each of my brothers William & Joseph & sister Ann, wife of John Ayres for it to be divided equally to the sons & daughters of my brothers & sisters; Jonah Wooding, William Wooding, Joseph Wooding, Ann Parker & Sarah Thew. " and " Shame it doesn't say who was the parent of each nephew/niece"
I don't think these are the nephews and nieces being listed, he is listing his siblings again and saying the money should be split between their offspring
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This is a fantastic piece of info John, it really does start to tie them together very nicely! Well done in finding this and thank you so much for sharing!
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Sorry - keep thinking of extra things to add that I had found out: Mary's brother Thomas (son of Jonah) married Elizabeth King in Turvey 1813, and a potential child Jonas bap to Thomas and Elizabeth in Carlton in 1819
To clarify: The two other siblings of Thomas 1752 I am sure of are Elizabeth and Israel as both parents clearly listed in their baptism records in Harrold as Thomas and Rebecca, just like Thomas's bap record shows as do Jonah's and Ann's. The other two are just possibles: Mary was made an apprentice in Harrold to William Hays, lacemaker in 1770, making her the right age to be a sibling. Robert is more tenuous, he was bap in Farndish 7 miles from Harrold in 1749, father is Thomas, no mother named.
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Also I have a record for Thomas Wooding m Rebecca Wersely (Wesley I believe looking at the other people there at the time) in 1743 in Odell. This potentially being the father of Thomas, Jonah etc
The Odell marriage on 21 Nov 1743 says Thomas Wooding was from Harrold to Rebecca Wersley of Odell. There's a baptism of Rebecca daughter of William & Sarah Wesley, grasier in Odell on 30 May 1717. In Harrold there is burial of Thomas Woodin, woodman, on 24 Jan 1803 aged 85 years so makes him born 1718 - so it could be him. Burial of Rebecca wife of Thomas Wooding labourer on29 Jul 1788.
Thomas & Rebecca Woodhin/Woodin/Wooding baptised children in Harrold including Jonah on 21 Oct 1744, Ann on 22 May 1748, Elizabeth on 2 Feb 1749/50, Thomas on 5 Apr 1752 & Israel on 27 Jun 1754
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I wonder if Mary Woodens had died by 1811 when the will was written - quite possible as her last potential offspring I have found is 1809
Mary Wooden (now Mrs Joseph Smith) was still alive & well in 1811.
We suspect this is the Mary Woodens who married William Smith at Sharnbrook on 5 Dec 1793 parents of Joseph Smith 1801 shoemaker who is on 1841 census with Mary Smith b 1776 & also parents of Robert Smith shoemaker 1809 who is on 1851 census in Bedford with widow Mary Smith b 1774 Harrold. It's the same Mary & this is backed up by Joseph's daughter Susannah (b 1828) being with Robert Smith in Bedford on 1841 census. A Mary Smith age 77 was buried in Bedford St Pauls on 8 Dec 1851.
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I wonder if Mary Woodens had died by 1811 when the will was written - quite possible as her last potential offspring I have found is 1809
Mary Wooden (now Mrs Joseph Smith) was still alive & well in 1811.
We suspect this is the Mary Woodens who married William Smith at Sharnbrook on 5 Dec 1793 parents of Joseph Smith 1801 shoemaker who is on 1841 census with Mary Smith b 1776 & also parents of Robert Smith shoemaker 1809 who is on 1851 census in Bedford with widow Mary Smith b 1774 Harrold. It's the same Mary & this is backed up by Joseph's daughter Susannah (b 1828) being with Robert Smith in Bedford on 1841 census. A Mary Smith age 77 was buried in Bedford St Pauls on 8 Dec 1851.
Yes you are right - duh- she is where I come up the tree, I have that same info! ...I was just pondering why she wasn't mentioned in the will but brother Thomas and wife Elizabeth were... but she was alive as you say...hmmm
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whew...loads to digest !
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Thomas bap 1 Jan 1718 Harrold to William and Ann had brother Jonas bap 1716 and brother Jonah bap 1722, so consistency of family names here. Also a sister Thomasin bap 1718
also baptisms Harrold for
Ann 1730
William 1732
Thomasin 1734
Possibly a John 1720 and a Judith 1724 too, though I can't find their records right now on Ancestry - I came across them on FS the other day
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William Woodin married Ann Barrett at Carlton on 31 Oct 1714.
They baptised & buried children at Harrold :-
26 Feb 1715/16 Jonas - buried 6 Mar 1715/16
1 Jan 1717/18 Thomas
NB. William son of William & Ann Woodin buried 27 Feb 1717/18 - cannot see baptism
24 Aug 1720 Thomasin - buried 19 Feb 1723/24
29 Apr 1722 Jonah - buried 25 Jun 1736
12 Jan 1723/24 Judith - buried 5 Jul 1760
18 Oct 1726 Thomasin d of William & Ann Wootton? - buried 5 Nov 1728
6 Jan 1729/30 Ann
2 May 1732 William
25 Dec 1734 Thomasin - buried 10 May 1758 (William, a labourer)
William Woodin buried 7 Jul 1772
Ann Woodin, widow buried 25 Feb 1774
Ann Woodin spinster married William Hulat single man of Turvey on 9 Nov 1749
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What a star you are John! Thank you so much for confirming all these!
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Bit more progress:
William Woodin Bap Carlton 1691, parents John & Sarah
John Woodden m Sar Heirs or Heynes 1689 carlton
Regarding Ann Woodin marrying Turvey 1749, I think she must be one of the Turvey Woodins (as opposed to the Harrold/ Sharnbrook/ Carlton ones) they seem to be some cousins as they go right back to the 1670s in Turvey and continue in quite large numbers... I suspect they join up even further up the tree :)
Really not sure about this one, but there was John Wotone (father Richard -not a name used for any of John's children) bap Harrold 1671
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Regarding Ann Woodin marrying Turvey 1749, I think she must be one of the Turvey Woodins (as opposed to the Harrold/ Sharnbrook/ Carlton ones) they seem to be some cousins as they go right back to the 1670s in Turvey and continue in quite large numbers...
I disagree Lesley; I would say she is the Ann Woodin, daughter of William & Ann Woodin baptised at Harrold on 6 Jan 1729/30. After the marriage in 1749 William & Ann Hulat/Hulett/Hewlett baptised children at Turvey - William 15/7/1753, Ann 17/11/1754, Judith 29/5/1757 & Elizabeth 30/4/1759.
William Hulat, publican was buried Turvey on 11 Apr 1759 and Elizabeth daughter of Ann Hulat widow was buried on 8 Jan 1762. Then Ann Hulett, widow married James Clark, widower of Emberton on 20 Apr 1764.
I suspect that daughter Judith Hewlet married John Wooding at Harrold on 6 Nov 1780. On 5 Nov 1786 there is a baptism of William son of John & the late Judith Wooding, junior aged 5 years. Judith wife of John Wooding, junior was buried at Turvey on 10 Jul 1783. As this John Wooding is junior, then he's the son of John Wooding, senior & beadsman who's buried at Turvey on 12 Nov 1799, while John Wooding shoemaker & beadsman is buried 20 Aug 1809.
I also suspect daughter Ann Hulet married William Wooding at Harrold on 4 Oct 1785
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Thanks for that John. I will have to take another look and see if I come up with the same conclusion with Ann.
I have been sorting out the Whittals, and worked out where they join up further up. Not sure if they are part of your tree or whether you have that info already but let me know if you are interested :)