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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Leicestershire => England => Leicestershire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Decker21 on Monday 31 March 14 19:54 BST (UK)
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I have a brickwall situation. My Ggfatherx3 Thomas Pool born 1797 has been so elusive. I think he is the son of Richard Pool and Letitia Harvey but cannot find his baptism. I have recently received a settlement document for Richard in 1802 which I had hoped would prove he had a son Thomas but the document has no details of his family. Richard was christened at Ibstock in 1776 the son of John and Rebecca and served in the Royal Artillery in Kent. He married Letitia Harvey in Canterbury in 1795 and had a son Richard christened in Deal in 1799. I cannot find a christening in Kent for Thomas. I think Richard's father John left a will. He was a butcher and lived at Ibstock but was settled at Nailstone and buried at Barlestone. The only hope I have is that some kind soul can give me a reference number at Leicester Record Office for John Pool's will to see if it contains the missing link. Either that or a reference number for Thomas Pool's apprenticeship indenture. Any help or advice would be much appreciated.
Sylvia Howard (nee Pool)
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what info do you have for Thomas already - does he have family/ occupation / death. can you place him anywhere in Leics at any time. what makes the link with Richard & Letitia? do you know he was born in kent? if so have you considered this baptism found on FindMyPast?
Thomas Poole 9/4/1797 s/o Daniel & Ann Eltham, Kent
Diddy
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Thanks for your reply Diddy. In the 1851 census Thomas is living in Kensington, London, born 1797 Leicester. He is a master builder married to Susannah. He married Susannah Hardy in 1817 at St Margarets, Leicester, and his eldest daughter was born there. A Thomas Pool son of Richard woolsorter was apprenticed to T Knight bricklayer in Leicester in 1812. In 1826 a Thomas Pool bricklayer of London apprentice of T Knight bought his freedom in Leicester. The only record at Leicester for Thomas is a certificate dated 1812 to say that he had served 6 weeks of his apprenticeship with T Knight. There is only one Richard Pool woolsorter in the 1841 census at Leicester. If this is the correct Richard then he was a soldier in Kent and married Letitia at Canterbury in 1795 and had a son Richard in 1799 christened at Deal. Therefore Thomas 1797 would have been born in Kent but I cannot find the christening. I am 90% sure that Richard is his father but need that last bit of proof.
I will look at the Eltham christening to see if it helps. Thanks again for your help.
Sylvia
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Hi again
John Pool's will is held at Leicester Records Office. Reference is:
John Pool - Butcher of Barlestone - probate 1803 - reference PR/T/ 1803/168
Good luck
TB
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Thanks yet again Truebrit, what would we do without helpful people like you. Will order the will (oops) to see if it throws any light on the problem.
Sylvia
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Do let us know, have been having a look, hope you find something.
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Hi
The family were definitely in Leicester in 1802, found these baptisms with parents John and Laetitia/ Lettice POOLE all at St Margarets Leicester
Joseph born 7 February 1804, bp. 11 Feb. 1804 (mother transcribed ~ Lettice)
Mary Ann born 19 April 1806, bp. 15 June 1806
Stephen born 16 December 1808, bp. 16 Jan 1808? (must be 1809)
Selina born 20 June 1809, bp. 15 October 1809
Lititia bp. 22 June 1817.
claire
Added: William born 24 March 1802, bp. 11 April 1802 at St MARTINS
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Have just gone over some Nailstone records as there was a John and Rebecca but found this
Richard Poole M MARR 27 SEP 1810 Anne Cowleshaw
groom of St. Mary, Leicester;
witnesses Thomas Cowlishaw, M. A. Smith
Also
Nailstone 27-Sep 1810 Licence
Richard Poole Leicester, St. Mary Bach 20 Of his father Richard Poole
Ann Cowlishaw Of This Parish Spin 21
Leicester, St. Mary 21-Aug 1820 Banns
Richard Pool Of This Parish
Maria Anderson Of This Parish
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Thanks claire.t, I have all Richard and Letitia's family but I am missing Thomas's birth. There is a Thomas Pool son of Richard woolsorter apprenticed to T. Knight bricklayer in Leicester in 1812 and a Thomas Pool of London bricklayer bought his freedom in Leicester in 1826 but all Leicester Record Office have is a certificate to say Thomas had served 6 weeks of his apprenticeship. There is a similar document for Richard's son William and another document for William to say that 2 guineas had been paid by John Blackshaw for his apprenticeship to a framework knitter. I know that Richard Blackshaw was a butcher living at Nailstone where Richard's father John (also a butcher) lived. Perhaps he was a family friend who helped them by paying for the boys' apprenticeships. I don't know whether in that case he would have held the indentures and that is why they are missing or whether they disintegrated where they were kept. Richard had a settlement exam in 1802 but doesn't mention any of his family. So, I have no baptism, no indenture and no mention of a son called Thomas. All these documents references bear the name of Nailstone which is encouraging. Could there have been two Richard Pools who were woolsorters in Leicester in 1812?
Sylvia
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Thanks Willsy, Thomas was definitely born in 1797/8 so couldn't be the son of either of these Richards. Richard who married Maria in 1820 is the son of Richard the woolsorter and was baptised at Deal in Kent in 1799 when his father was in the army. I have looked for Thomas's baptism there but there is no trace. I thought he may have been christened later when his father returned to Leicester but I found nothing. He is one very elusive ancestor. Thanks for taking the trouble to look. If I ever solve this I won't have to post it because you will hear me shouting EUREKA!
Sylvia
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Funnily enough, have just come across a piece in the paper 20 Mar 1812, premises to be sold by private auction in the Leicester journal. He's in st Mary's, leading on to Harvey Lane.
There is certainly a Richard and Ann same time as Richard and Letita because baptism dates coincide but I can't see a marriage in Leicester.
St Margaret to add
RICHARD & Letitia/Lettice
POOLE HENRY JAMES 1814 02-Sep
And
RICHARD & MARIA
POOLE MARY ANN 1827 01-Aug
POOLE FREDERICK 1830 13-Jan
St Mary
RICHARD & ANN to coincide with marriage 1810
POOL RICHARD 1811 09-Oct
POOLE RICHARD 1816 29-Oct
Have found baptisms of children for a Richard and Ann 1797 and also up to 1810
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Yes I was posting as brother/son connected to the family so phew on the right lines! just found another bit in the paper, wondered if you had any info to match this
Leicester Journal 28 February 1812
To be sold by private contract
All that old established Public House, called or known by the name of the Mitre and Key, now in the occupation of Richard Poole, situate in the parish of Saint Mary in Leicester....
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That was interesting, Willsy, but I found a notice in the Northampton Chronicle dated 9.3.1811 of all places for the death of Richard Poole hosier late keeper of the Mitre and Key Leicester. I am looking for a Richard who was a woolsorter so that rules him out. He must have been the father of Richard who married in 1810 and that is who is mentioned in 1812 re the auction. I found a christening for a Richard at St Martins in January 1791 father Richard mother Ann but no Thomas.
I also found another Richard and Ann with children christened at St Mary de Castro. The eldest of this set was Andrew Smith Pool 1797 and the youngest Richard in 1816. Yet again no Thomas.
I'm wondering if Thomas meant Leicestershire and not the town of Leicester. There again we have the apprenticeship saying his father was Richard woolsorter of Leicester. Round and round in circles, it makes you feel dizzy.
Thanks for your help.
Sylvia
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I know that feeling!
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Hi Sylvia,
I've just found this thread after replying to your other thread about settlement orders.
As I said on the other thread, I'm descended from Richard Pool's son Joseph. I'm afraid I don't have any information about Thomas, but if you'd like to swap notes about the rest of the family, send me a PM, and we can exchange e-mail addresses.
I had a look at the John Pool will last time I was at Wigston, and made some notes about the main points:
Probate 1803
John Pool of Barlestone, butcher
Legacies to:
- surviving children Sarah, Hannah, Thomas and Ann
- John and Elizabeth, children of deceased son John
- Mary, Elizabeth and John children of deceased son Stephen.
Reference to land in Ratby and Groby occupied by son Thomas.
Executors: son-in-law John Sutton and John Fox of Barleston
Will dated 27/8/1802
Witnesses: Edward Cuthbert, William Wall jr
Signed John Pool (x)
Not at all convinced that this is Richard's father.
Mary
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Hi Mary,
I have outlined my connection to Richard Pool in my reply to you re. Settlements. I have a copy of John's will dated 1802. I think he was Richard's grandfather and his son John who married Rebecca Fowkes was Richard's father. Son John only got a shilling in his father's will and Richard and his children were not mentioned. I found a notice under bankruptcy for John Pool butcher of Barlestone in the Universal Magazine of Knowledge & Pleasure dated 5.1.1790. Which John this was I do not know but John who died in 1802 seemed to have plenty of assets so I suspect it was his son.
Not sure how to PM you but will have a go.
Regards, Sylvia Howard