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Samuel Peter SNOOK b 3q 1852 St Pancras 1b 71, in 1861 he was at 35 College Street West, St. Pancras.
His burial was 10 Apr 1906 at St Pancras Cemetery.
Can anyone fill in the gaps, I have no other information. ::)
Muffin41
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On Ancestry, the 1871 census has been transcribed as Mook!
Samuel, 52, [something] Commissioning Agent, b. Marylebone
Mary, 49, b. City of London
Samuel P, 18, pianoforte maker, b. St Pancras
Emma H, 7, b. St Pancras
Alfred, 4, b. Islington
living at 2 Little Albany St North, St Pancras.
STG
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Thank you for the 1871 details. :D
The missing word is Broker, in the 1851 census Samuel´s father is a Commission Broker Agent.
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I've looked again at the 1871 original and it defo says
[something] Commission Agent
not Commission Broker Agent
STG
Struggling to find Samuel P in 81-01 though!
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Samuel Snook Snr. died Jun Q 1872, mother Mary Snook died Sep Q 1881 in St Pancras.
Samuel Peter´s sister Emma Harriett Snook was an School Inmate at "Charitable Institution for teaching young girls printing, St Giles Road East, Oxford in 1881.
I have not found Alfred Snook either in 1880, he married 1890 in Westminister.
Where was mother Mary Ann in 2q 1881; that may help further?
Muffin41
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I've looked again at the 1871 original and it defo says
[something] Commission Agent
not Commission Broker Agent
STG
Struggling to find Samuel P in 81-01 though!
Looks like Furniture Commissioning Agent to me.
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I was thinking Furniture too, groom, but then doubted myself :)
STG
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In 1861 he was a Furniture Broker.
The early censuses were very misleading sometimes ::)
Still not found a clue in 1881 :o
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Could this be him in 1881 transcribed as Turk?
RG11; Piece: 178; Folio: 95; Page: 29
25 Augustus St. Pancras
John Maylock 34
Eliza Maylock 34
Arthur Maylock 12
Elizabeth Maylock 10
Alice A Maylock 8
John A Maylock 5
Samuel Turk 27 lodger Pianoforte Fitter St Pancras, Middlesex
Anne Turk 24 lodger St Pancras, Middlesex
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In 1881, there's a 14yo Alfred Snooks, b. Marylebone, listed as a "pauper", occupation "scholar" on The Training Ship Exmouth, in Grays, Essex.
A possible?
STG
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Samuel Turk may not be him, as I think he is still alive in 1911.
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You´re right Samuel Turk is not him.
The Alfed Snooks in1881 is a possible.
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Samuel Peter Snook son of Samuel Snook and Mary Ann Dixon was born 3q 1852 St Pancras 1b 71.
The last address I have for him is 2 Little Albany Street North, Regents Park in 1871. He was a Pianoforte Maker.
Any other information anout him would help me further.
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Was having a rummage around and found this
29/08/1862
baptism of Samuel Peter Snook
parents Samuel and Mary
D of B given 29/05/1851, father cabinet maker of 3 little Canada St Camden Town
Other than that I am still looking, do you think he switched names?
Louisa Maud
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Previous thread from 2014:
Threads merged.
seems to have quite a lot of information.
Philip
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Something happened to the family 1868 as both Emma Harriet and younger brother Alfred are in the Camden Workhouse, they are both released to the Plaistow School 10 June 1868.
Just in case tracing other children leads to further clues. GRO index mmn Dixon
Samuel Frederick Charles Snook registered 1850 St Mary Newington-1850 age 0
Samuel Peter Snook 1852 St Pancras
Mary Ann 1855 St Pancras -1856 age 1
Emily 1857 St Pancras --1857 age 0
Frederick 1859 St Pancras -- 1859 age 0
Emma Harriett 1862 St Pancras
Alfred 1866 St Pancras
ADDED deaths
Samuel Snook senior death registered St Marylebone 1872 age 54
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Something happened to the family 1868 as both Emma Harriet and younger brother Alfred are in the Camden Workhouse, they are both released to the Plaistow School 10 June 1868.
Their parents Samuel and Mary were also in Camden Workhouse with them in 1868 but no sign of son Samuel sadly
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Emma Snook, 8, and Alfred Snook, 6, No Home, admitted to Pancras workhouse, 16 March 1872.
Both discharged 23 March 1872 to Leavesden School
Mary Snook, 50, admitted 4 April 1872, Insane Ward, from Middlesex Hospital.
Discharged 29 April 1872 to Colney Hatch
Settlement record, 13 May 1872, in Pancras for Mary Snook, 52, Lunatic
Info from son Samuel Snook of 15 Litt Albany St.
Seems to say she is the widow of Willm Snook!
Mentions his father's sister Sarah.
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Index to Orders of Removal from Pancras
Samuel Snook
Date of Order 9 January 1877
Parish Saint Mary le Bone
Haven't found it yet.
In the Pancras exams 1876-7
Samuel Snook, 21
In Pancras Workhouse 18 Dec 76
Mentions 3 Market St
Break of Residence includes St Marylebone Casual Ward
Destitute
Not married.
Info on his parents
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The 1868 admissions to Pancras workhouse of Samuel Snook and family also involves an Order of Removal (to St Marylebone)
Also detailed on son Samuel's exam
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Religious Creed Register, Pancras WH
Samuel Snook
admitted 18 Dec 1876
born 1855
No Home
Laborer
discharged 2 Feb 1877
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Samuel Snook
Date of Order 9 January 1877
Parish Saint Mary le Bone
Haven't found it yet.
Well it can be found on ancestry, under, ironically, Westminster/St Pancras/Orders of Removal, Inwards, 1877 (starting image 10)
Bit of a mix up there. They are inward removal orders to Marylebone
So basically as Samuel and Mary had been adjudged settled in Marylebone, under order dated 3 June 1868, and since Samuel Snook junior had not acquired a settlement of his own in the interim, Pancras expect Marylebone to take responsibility.
We have at least got him up to 1877 now.
John
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Previous thread from 2014:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=683840.9
seems to have quite a lot of information.
Mary is dead by 1877, so she can't be the lady who died in 1881. Samuel says she died about two years previously in Marylebone workhouse.
Possible
Dec 1875 Marylebone 1a 384
Snooks, Mary
age 54
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Found an Emma Harriett Spooks baptised 29/08/1862
Camden Town All Saints of Samuel and Mary
of Little Camden St
1881 at RG11/1499 folio 137 page 29
Charitable institution St Giles Oxford
aged 17
1891 at RG12/218 folio 149 page 16
Girls friendly society Holborn
aged 26 a compositor print
I believe she married between 1891 and 1901
Louisa Maud
Sorry, just looked back at suggestion by Jonw65, so dismiss this info please
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Order of Removal on Alfred Snook, 3 Nov 1874, St Pancras to Marylebone.
Alfred was at the school in Leavesden.
Info from his mother, Mrs Snook, residing at Saville Street, St Marylebone
Fascinating stuff!
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The end of Mrs Snook
Admitted to Marylebone workhouse, 3 April 1875
Mary Snooks
age 53
from 8 Saville Street
discharged 31 July 75
Admitted 6 August 1875
Mary Snook
age 54
from 8 Saville Street
discharged 5 Oct 75 Dead
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Louisa Maud
You are correct about Emma Harriet birth etc.
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Emma Harriet Snook married William James Samuel Jeffery, 5 Sep 1891, Holy Trinity, Weymouth
Her residence was 11 Red Lion Square, Holborn, London (as per 1891 census)
Father Samuel Snook, Auctioneer (deceased)
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If the OP wants to see how it came about that the Snooks were settled in Marylebone, the 1868 Order of Removal explains all - the whole thing starts previous image.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ml5/
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Thank you all for the new information, I will look at it all and hope to fill in a few gaps in my tree. :D
Muffin41
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1901 RG13/1995 F 36 P2
William J S Jeffrey aged 38 printer (comp) postman Dorset
Emma Harriett 36 London
Charles W F 6 Dorset
Gwendoline 16 months Dorset
The fact that William is Printer makes me I think Emma was something to do with printing on previous census
BUT does the originator want all of this information, are we going a step to far?
Louisa Maud
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BUT does the originator want all of this information
It may prove useful, LM, you never know.
As ancestry is FREE this weekend, I'll just give a few links to the unindexed records
St Pancras exam of 1872 re Mary Snook, info from son Samuel
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ml6/
Samuel's settlement record in Pancras, 1876 (continues on next image)
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ml7/
Creed Register for Pancras, 1875-7 (two images)
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ml9/
I didn't find any sign that Samuel was actually in the workhouse in Marylebone afterwards, so his discharge in February 1877 may be the last sighting.
Order of Removal, St Pancras to Marylebone, 1877 (and next image or two)
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ml8/