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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Flintshire => Topic started by: liverbird50 on Saturday 26 April 14 07:52 BST (UK)
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I am searching for the death of my ancestor William Evans, born Runcorn 1813. I know he died between 1868 and 1878, he was a mariner, coastal service. Searching for his death I have sent for various death certificates, erroneously. However, I have one which may be him. Death on 28th January 1872 near Hare and Hounds, Wepre. Could anyone tell me where that was, was it near the river? He could have died whilst working. James Pendlebury was in attendance death at "near the bridge, Connahs Quay, Northop". Could anyone tell me where that bridge was, was it near the Hare and Hounds, could Evans have been taken there. James Pendlebury was also from Runcorn, so a tenuous link.
Any help at all would be very gratefully received.
Liverbird50
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Hello There
i live in Connah`s Quay, the Hare and Hounds is a public house on high street,the river is a five minute walk away, underneath a railway bridge.
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Thanks for that Jeffro. As you live in Connahs Quay do you know anything about the church St. Marks?
Are the gravestones from 1876 still there do you know? Now I have found an ancestor buried there next time I am visiting the area (I live in Hampshire) would like to try to find the grave.
Thanks for taking the time to contact me.
Liverbird50
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Hi Liverbird
St Marks church is on top of the hill ( Hare and Hounds at the bottom). The gravestones have been cleared now and the churchard is laid to lawn. But the good news is the gravestones are lined up on the back wall. If you give me your ancestors name I will have look to see if it is there.
Best Wishes
Jeff.
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Hi again Jeffro, that's a really kind and generous offer to look for a gravestone on my behalf. Wow people on this RootsChat forum are so helpful and knowledgeable, I'm blown away.
Information I have: my g.g.grandfather William Evans, buried St. Marks 31st January 1872, aged 58 years. His daughter, Sarah Ann Oldfield, age 42, buried August 1876.
Best wishes
Liverbird50'
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Hello Liverbird
As promised I went to St Marks today but unfortunately was unable to find the headstones
you want. Some stones have had the words rot away, some so faded impossible to read.
A few were quite hard to get to but I did. I checked everyone and can only say sorry.
best Wishes Jeff
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Hi Jeffro,
Absolutely no need to be sorry. I am very grateful for you taking such trouble on my behalf. It is what I expected. I don't know how much a headstone would cost in those days and I don't think they were a very wealthy family. Also as the burials were so long ago, inscriptions would have worn away. However, I do know they were buried there, and I think there is a garden of remembrance set up in the churchyard? So will come up and visit St Marks.
Kindest regards,
Liverbird50
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Hello Liverbird50,
The gravestones for St Mark's, Connah's Quay have been transcribed and there is a book with these available in Flintshire Record Office, also the libraries in Connah's Quay and Mold. You may find an entry for the graves you mention.
Jo.
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Hi Jo Harding,
Thank you so much for the information regarding graves at St Marks, Connahs Quay. I have been in touch with Flintshire Record Office at Hawarden and just received an email from them saying that they don't have any records of graves at St. Marks, so contrary to what you have been able to find out for me.
Therefore I will get back on to them, also I will contact the libraries you mention tomorrow.
I have been searching for a long time for the resting place of my g.g.grandfather, so not quite ready to give up yet! At least I now know he is buried at St. Marks. Would be good to find out exactly where and if there is a stone for him. Thanks for taking an interest in my quest, I really am very grateful for all the help I have received via RootsChat. No exaggeration to say that you people have helped me to place the final pieces to a large jigsaw puzzle.
With kind regards
Liverbird50
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Hello Liverbird50,
I am surprised at the response from Flintshire RO. I have an ancestor buried at St Mark's myself. He was a 3xgt grandfather, buried there in 1868. There are others as well. I have seen the transcriptions of the gravestones, or Monumental Inscriptions as the booklet is titled. I looked at this in Connah's Quay library within the last 12 months. I suggest you try there and see if they are more helpful.
Jo.
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Hi Jo,
It seems I am to be baulked at the final hurdle! Thanks for your information yet again. I have been back on to the Clwyd Family History Society. I now understand that theirs is voluntary work, and they didn't come into being until the 1980s after the gravestones had been moved, and probably hadn't recorded the stones before they were moved, therefore no record to give to the Archivist.
However, you have actually seen it for yourself, wow, not what I had just been told then. I have just phoned Mold Library. Apparently Connahs Quay library is closed until June for refurbishment - again things are straightforward on this final leg of my search. He looked and said they only had records of inscriptions for the town cemetery!! I am now totally confused having been bounced back and forth between Clwyd FHSoc, Library, Flint Records Office!! Its also further complicated by the fact that there is no Vicar in post at St Marks now, and wont be until the new incumbent arrives in June.
Would you happen to know if I could contact a Church Warden there? You have been so helpful Jo, I just cant give up now!
Liverbird50 (Lynda)
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Hello Liverbird50,
I am sorry to hear you are experiencing such difficulties with this quest.
I don't know whether there is a church warden in existence for St Mark's. I should have thought that there would be someone responsible however. No idea who that might be. They have services there on a Sunday and another day in the week. I think it may have abeen on a Wednesday.
Your luck is running true to form with this as I lived in that area for a brief time until recently. I am now 300 miles away, too far to be of help.
If all else fails, I suggest you hang on until Connah's Quay library reopens as they hold many local records there. These include transcriptions of parish registers for Connah's Quay, Northop and some more. There were other records including the monumental inscriptions which filled 2 books I think.
Sorry I cannot be of more help to you.
Jo.
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Thanks for responding again Jo. As you say nothing has run easily with this search, just makes the challenge all the more satisfying when it is conquered!
Looks like June is the month for answers. There should then be a new Vicar in post at St Marks, and the library at Connahs Quay will be reopened. Failing that I will just make the trip up to CQ and use my eyes!!
Kindest regards,
Lynda
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Hello Lynda,
There is a second cemetery in Connah's Quay, so just bear that in mind. The one at St Mark's is relatively small, so I presume they used another area as time went on. I don't know what date the new one commenced in use. This is at Bryn Road, Connah's Quay.
I did find this but cannot see the name you are seeking.
http://www.tom-mercer-mi-indexes.org.uk/Connah's%20Quay%20Cemetery.htm
Also, Genuki carries information on Connah's Quay generally.
http://genuki.org.uk/big/wal/FLN/ConnahsQuay/
Good luck!
Jo
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Just came across this request this afternoon. I was born and bred in the Quay although live a long way away now. My late father was the local funeral director and so I am familiar with the graves/cemeteries in the Quay.
I am not sure when the cemetery opened in Bryn Road/Kings Road. It is possible of course as you say that there never was a headstone.
One line of enquiry might also be that there may have been an inquest as you say he died in or near the river. I concur with the other poster to this query that he might have been taken to the Hare & Hounds following the tragedy.
You mention the name Oldfield in your enquiry. There are still members of the Oldfield family in Connah's Quay so it might be worth trying to contact one of them.
As regards St Marks church the new vicar is in place but as a newcomer and not local to the area might not have much information. There is a Churchwarden for the church but I would think that your best line of enquiry would be the verger. As I am living away and my cousin who was a lay reader at the church sadly passed away a few months ago I do not have to hand the name of the verger.
Hope that this goes a little way to help you in your search.
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Just another quick thought. As the person with him was from Runcorn could he have been taken back there for burial?